The "Planatec" Project

[Pash 1]

Well ive done it and taken the plunge and bought "Double 2 Shirts"

Plan to be spending the next year or two refitting her and will keep you all updated with progress, pickie's etc.

Im really excited about this project, know it will be a bottomless pit but bought it through the Company for "Hospitality purposes" so may be able to right off some profit :up:

Dont know exactly what the plan is.... but thinking along the lines of more of a pleasure craft rather than an all out racer, Jon recons big blocks so when in the States next week will keep an eye out for something suitable and make some contacts out there. If All goes to the plan that I havent devised yet will be looking for engines march'ish next year - Gant chart being drawn up as we speak, budget being set and re-set then revised...

[Jon Fuller]

If you're still thinking of going with the speedmasters, I have a lovely spare with gimble for you (from Warlord) 4 races old.

[Pash 1]

If you're still thinking of going with the speedmasters, I have a lovely spare with gimble for you (from Warlord) 4 races old.

A What??? is that a sex aid? to go with the gimble suit on the RB08 thread?

Any thoughts on the PM I sent regarding the drives??

[Jon Fuller]

A What??? is that a sex aid? to go with the gimble suit on the RB08 thread?

Any thoughts on the PM I sent regarding the drives??

That's exactly what it is.

Yeah, had a look, I'm guessing that this boat would have had what's called a tailstock unit on each drive with a short propshaft to the gearbox / step up gearbox. hopefully those tailstocks are in place, though there's no mention of it in Peters list. I have a spare one of those too.

[gazza]

Congratulations Pash with the new project,:up:

gaZ

[hunton69]

Congratulations. A couple of Ilmors would look good in there.

[Pash 1]

Congratulations. A couple of Ilmors would look good in there.

Thanks, Ilmors sound V expensive Budget (revised, reworked, revisited) wont quite stretch to those I doubt

[BluFin]

Are you really gonna cut it down the middle & glass in a tunnel......Wicked idea

[Pash 1]

Are you really gonna cut it down the middle & glass in a tunnel......Wicked idea


How cool is that :hugegrin:

With twin XR2's :hugegrin:

[Jon Fuller]

More like 12 XR2's!!

[BluFin]

More like 12 XR2's!!
that will be around 1500 quid then

[scottyboy]

that will be around 1500 quid then

:devil:

[wickedtopspeed]

Do you hope to run it in RB12 if it goes ahead ?

[Foolish]

plenty of parts in this for you :hugegrin:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Wellcraft-Scarab-39-Offshore-power-boat_W0QQitemZ230281307563QQcmdZViewItem?121880342 8823

[Shelbysteve]

Well ive done it and taken the plunge and bought "Double 2 Shirts"

Plan to be spending the next year or two refitting her and will keep you all updated with progress, pickie's etc.

Im really excited about this project, know it will be a bottomless pit but bought it through the Company for "Hospitality purposes" so may be able to right off some profit :up:

Dont know exactly what the plan is.... but thinking along the lines of more of a pleasure craft rather than an all out racer, Jon recons big blocks so when in the States next week will keep an eye out for something suitable and make some contacts out there. If All goes to the plan that I havent devised yet will be looking for engines march'ish next year - Gant chart being drawn up as we speak, budget being set and re-set then revised...


This is great news!

I can now add this progress to my school project i did 30 years ago on this boat!

She was one of my favourite boats when i was a kid watching it race in the CTC.

Was it the Radio Rentals boat or was that a sister boat?

[Pash 1]

Some pictures taken today when I was bailing out the foot and a half of water in her.....

New tarp intsalled dont want to get wet again.....
When your sitting in the drivers seat she dosent look that big (Pic 1) but when you stand on the engine bay doors she is MASSIVE. Overall not as much work as I had first thought (Could be famous last words) the structure of the boat definately looks as she was built to last and she is in amazing condition for a boat built in circa 1973.... Pics 2 & 3 although the upholstery does need a tad of attention, going to keep the same seating layout and was thinking of inserting a seat base with dampers... dont know if thats a good iead but thought it would be a bit hard on the legs standing up for RB12 :aaahhh:

Thanks to all at Drivers who came aboard today and the numerous offers of help assistance and available engines...... Gone off the Idea of twin XR2's think she needs between 800 and 1000 horses...
Will post again soon

[hunton69]

1000 - 1200 and she could win RB12

[Pash 1]

£50,000 - £75,000 and you might be right :up:

[Pash 1]

Gant Chart Done key dates as follows:

Complete Strip Out - End September 2008
Trim Tabs & Legs Off & sent away for Full Service - Mid October
New Forward Fuel Tanks - November
Order New Steering System - December
Order New Engines - End Jan 09
Fit New Steering System - Feb 09
Fit New Engines - End March 09
Order New Livery Mid April 09
Launch Date 23rd May 2009 :hugegrin: :hugegrin:

Am going to have the livery in the colours of the "Old" Double 2 Shirts as picture below.

Could I Use the Race Number "69" ? Although I very much doubt I will be racing her :seaman:

[motorvator]

Gant Chart Done key dates as follows:

Complete Strip Out - End September 2008
Trim Tabs & Legs Off & sent away for Full Service - Mid October
New Forward Fuel Tanks - November
Order New Steering System - December
Order New Engines - End Jan 09
Fit New Steering System - Feb 09
Fit New Engines - End March 09
Order New Livery Mid April 09
Launch Date 23rd May 2009 :hugegrin: :hugegrin:

Am going to have the livery in the colours of the "Old" Double 2 Shirts as picture below.

Could I Use the Race Number "69" ? Although I very much doubt I will be racing her :seaman:


Quoted for the purpose of ripping the piss out of you when you fail to meet the completion date. Would it make it easier if there were some sort of incentive?

Say liquidated damages determined upon demonstrable loss by the first client booking on the 24th (That'd be ME and the old school) underwritten with a typical domestic contract like the ones you used to try and stitch me up wiv.:devil:

[Wild Thing]

Thats a beautiful boat, health to enjoy :up:

[Pash 1]

Quoted for the purpose of ripping the piss out of you when you fail to meet the completion date. Would it make it easier if there were some sort of incentive?

Say liquidated damages determined upon demonstrable loss by the first client booking on the 24th (That'd be ME and the old school) underwritten with a typical domestic contract like the ones you used to try and stitch me up wiv.:devil:

Liquidate and ascertained damages cannot be punitive but merely reflect the loss suffered by the client, Should you wish to become a client of my Firm then a non returnable deposit of, shall we say £55,000 is required this will aid in the completing the project and should the project run late then you could demonstrate a loss. If you are not a client there cannot be liquidated damages

A Domestic subcontract would not be applicable, so I could draft a document that would be acceptable to myself..

OR IS IT SPONSORSHIP YOUR OFFERING FROM YOUR ESSEX COMPANY???

WE COULD CALL THE BOAT DOUBLE 2 STILLETOS :up:

[Pash 1]

Thats a beautiful boat, health to enjoy :up:

Thanks Brian, it will take alot of time but I think she will be worth it in the longrun :up:

[motorvator]

Liquidate and ascertained damages cannot be punitive but merely reflect the loss suffered by the client, Should you wish to become a client of my Firm then a non returnable deposit of, shall we say £55,000 is required this will aid in the completing the project and should the project run late then you could demonstrate a loss. If you are not a client there cannot be liquidated damages

A Domestic subcontract would not be applicable, so I could draft a document that would be acceptable to myself..

OR IS IT SPONSORSHIP YOUR OFFERING FROM YOUR ESSEX COMPANY???

WE COULD CALL THE BOAT DOUBLE 2 STILLETOS :up:

Firkin el it's gone all contractual before we've even discussed 'the deal':hatchet:

Anyways as you know I'm a firm believer that contractual matters should be thrashed out by the minions before stepping in for the glory moment, I therefore suggest we meet up on the boat next weekend, introduce the two wifes with a brief explanation of what's expected of them, then feck off down the pub till they've thrashed it out:brown:

[Pash 1]

Firkin el it's gone all contractual before we've even discussed 'the deal':hatchet:

Anyways as you know I'm a firm believer that contractual matters should be thrashed out by the minions before stepping in for the glory moment, I therefore suggest we meet up on the boat next weekend, introduce the two wifes with a brief explanation of what's expected of them, then feck off down the pub till they've thrashed it out:brown:

Sounds like a plan to me :up:

[Downhilldai]

Could I Use the Race Number "69" ?

Will you need a number that reads the same upside down? :devil:

[Pash 1]

Will you need a number that reads the same upside down? :devil:

A Disgruntled Ex Client?
An Escaped convict from Broadmoor?

Motivator offered to Sponsor one of my rally cars - he wanted his Company Name on the sump and dif guards - Is there a link here? - by the way they are the most expensive areas for sponsorship on my car - great TV coverage :aaahhh:

[hunton69]

Gant Chart Done key dates as follows:

Complete Strip Out - End September 2008
Trim Tabs & Legs Off & sent away for Full Service - Mid October
New Forward Fuel Tanks - November
Order New Steering System - December
Order New Engines - End Jan 09
Fit New Steering System - Feb 09
Fit New Engines - End March 09
Order New Livery Mid April 09
Launch Date 23rd May 2009 :hugegrin: :hugegrin:

Am going to have the livery in the colours of the "Old" Double 2 Shirts as picture below.

Could I Use the Race Number "69" ? Although I very much doubt I will be racing her :seaman:

Tommy cooper coundn't of put it betterl.

I have the upmost respect :)

[Pash 1]

Tommy cooper coundn't of put it betterl.

I have the upmost respect :)

The Programme is achievable with hard work and good weather this winter, would love to find undercover storage for her so she could be worked on every weekend but for a 41 footer thats about as rare as hens teeth :headbang:

The biggest pondering items are the engines, definately going to be Big Block EFI's just a matter of finding the "Right" pair at the "Right" price, Next is the Steering System What to go for Make model etc, havent got a clue at the moment but searching google and other sites for advice on that matter.

Aparently when she was racing she had 4 Fuel tanks, two forward of the cockpit and two either side of the cockpit, got the two which go either side of the cockpit but the other two? god knows where they are. Also I believe she had a ballast tank up front but again god knows where that is!

If anybody knows where I could get hold of the original build spec or drawings that would help no end with the restoration project.

[Jon Fuller]

If anybody knows where I could get hold of the original build spec or drawings that would help no end with the restoration project.

Graham Stevens is your best bet. He worked at the Don Shead design house around the period that boat was built.

[Pash 1]

Graham Stevens is your best bet. He worked at the Don Shead design house around the period that boat was built.

Jon Have you got a number for Graham?

[cfun]

As I have said before one of my favourites, watched this boat race loads of times from a kid and later on, on the odd occasion lined up on the start line with it, most of the time it raced it finished and finished first in class or 1st overall a testament to those sabre marathon deisel engines of their day and it appeared whoever challenged it always came unstuck in fact the only boat I recall that could kick it's ass rough or calm and in the rough only just was a winged Buzzi 38 with 1500hp... see discussion OSO thread it's really interesting hearing the guy ( habanajoe ) talk about these boats and he brings into the thread about the Plantec which he raced against back in the day he also talks about the famous Cesa that he raced in, he asks for help on this boat so I posted ( aquafun ) although my Knowledge on this boat is not a patch on many people's on this forum like Jf's
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178909&highlight=aquafun&page=12

[Jon Fuller]

Jon Have you got a number for Graham?

easiest thing to do is PM on here, he is 'flying fish'

[Pash 1]

Thanks Cfun,
that made some very interesting reading and have contacted Mike at COPOC for some more information

Cheers :up:

[Pash 1]

I had an amazing meeting this afternoon with Graham Stevens who used to work in the Don Shead Design House, Apart from being a font of knowledge and having a Library of Historical Boat Racing facts, figures and pictures he has kindly lent me a set of Working drawings of "ABO" (Double 2 Shirts in a past life) to get copied. So I can now get "Lost" parts re-made to the original spec... :hugegrin:

I would publically like to thank Graham not only for his time and unbounded knowledge but for trusting me with his prized drawings - Thank you Graham :up:

[motorvator]

As you are now in receipt of a full copy of contract drawings would you please notify within the next 7 days any amendment to programme or budget failing which we will deem there to be no effect to original contract:devil:

[Pash 1]

As you are now in receipt of a full copy of contract drawings would you please notify within the next 7 days any amendment to programme or budget failing which we will deem there to be no effect to original contract:devil:


In order to implement this implied contract term one must be "Reasonable" in the timescale applicable to the term on which you rely! The drawings are in imperial not metric so for young guns like oneself we have to take our socks off to count to 12. This is clearly unreasonable therefore the Unfair Contract Terms and Conditions Act 1977 (As amended 2006) takes president!

does that answer your question?

[Pash 1]

This is her in her past lives, was going to go for the Double 2 Shirts livery but now not so sure so I will leave it up to you guys!

the most number of posts for the best livery is what the boat will be called and Liveried up as.

[Pash 1]

And last but not least this one Rejuga

[Foolish]

personally i prefer "Double 2 Shirts"

[BigBird1964]

I will leave it up to you guys!


Pash

In my opinion (for what it's worth), 'Ballerina' or 'Macho' were the best colours, but despite that, I would vote for Double 2 Shirts all day long, just classic.

BB

[gazza]

What about a tartan paint job Pash,

Only kidding Double 2 shirts for me without any doubt,


gaZ

[Jon Fuller]

You now need to find pics as 'Rejuga' and 'Manhatton'.

Here's a start. 1988 class II world Champion Roger Fletcher in 'Rejuga'.
He took it to Atlantic City in 1989 to defend his title, but was unsuccessful.

[BigBird1964]

Manhattan

[Jon Fuller]

I think that's the full set now.

[Pash 1]

SURVEY OVER..........

Double 2 Shirts its going to be :hugegrin:

Personally I think its the best, and its what most people know the boat as being :up:

On with the Engines............
EDIT: "On with finding the Engines"

Spoke to a really interesting Chap in California a few hours ago, said I was interested in finding some big block boat engines of around 500 bhp each - he gave a fantastic answer "Only 500 each" "that should'nt be to hard they are baby ones" then he mentioned "Strokers" :speechles :speechles

Might have to meet up with him when Im over there next week

[Jon Fuller]

What is the intended use for this boat?

[cfun]

Thought the original supercharged engines in OSG Donzi did the job well quoted at 600+hp with bags of low down torque he said he favoured these Stirling engines because they were simple doing away with all the EFI electrics and he proved it right with a very reliable racing season and winning the championship something proving more difficult with the more complex and unreliable Merc EFI units in his current P1 boat...perhaps his old engines are out there somewhere for sale at a knock down price

PS... glad you enjoyed the reading on the link I posted thought the guy who raced in the Big diesel Buzzi boats was very interesting and back in the 80's as he pointed out when the 4 engined winged Cesa boat showed up it minced every thing out their as even the cats back then only ran around 105mph when conditions allowed and as time went on he pushed ever closer to 4000hp and 115mph again a speed only the top cats were achieving back then, interesting point about inline engines as opposed to v design diesel engines plus the huge maintenance needed on the Seatek engines

[Pash 1]

What is the intended use for this boat?

Jon what I want, what I really really want, is to restore her to her former glory (or as near as I can get taking budget into account)

To be able to use her for RB12 would be fantastic and that gives me 4 years to pass my boat driving test :hugegrin: and shed loads of time to get her ready.

Now that I have the Original drawings from Graham I can get the lost/missing parts re-manufactured to the original spec and hopefully this will add to her authenticity.

So a durable race boat, circa 1000 horses, that Mrs Pash feels safe onboard, that could put up a good show on a poker run, and compete in classic offshore power boat races (If there are any about) oh nearly forgot that can tow a ringo with Motivator on around the IOW :devil:

[TimB-C]

Surely ( sorry to call you shirley :hugegrin: ) with the original plans from graham then she cant be in D2S clours and must be ABO (red and yellow) original parts design livery etc AUTHENTIC :devil: :hatchet:

[Adam]

Another Bloody Omelette :up:

[Pash 1]

Surely ( sorry to call you shirley :hugegrin: ) with the original plans from graham then she cant be in D2S clours and must be ABO (red and yellow) original parts design livery etc AUTHENTIC :devil: :hatchet:

In essence Tim your correct but when Mrs Pash saw the Name ABO she said how true ! "Another Bloody Outgoing"

So for the sake of my sanity and indeed 3rd marriage it can’t be called ABO...

[TimB-C]

:puker: Tell her the truth it stands for OMLETTE :headbang:

[Pash 1]

:puker: Tell her the truth it stands for OMLETTE :headbang:

Tim I did tell her the truth - but she still holds with the name "Another Bloody Outgoing"

Then I got "How many boats do you need" "You can only go out in 1 at a time"
Dohhh :headbang:

However Mrs Pash is now talking to me and normal communications have been resumed - Radio silence curtailed :hugegrin:

[Pash 1]

Took some pictures of the inside over the weekend, as I've said before she is definately built to last, plan is to clear all of the "rubbish" out and then paint her light grey inside, this should leave a blank canvas for when the re-rit gets carried out.

Sent drawings of the Fuel Tank Mounts off to a metal working company so should get some prices back soon, she needs 12 Tank Mounts to support the 6 Tanks :aaahhh:
Next is to get the drawings of the Tanks off and get a price for the Four Tanks that I havent got. will do this when I get back from the States. Should also get the remaing parts from Peter on my return Dash, Controls etc. Will have to find a supplier of retro gauges and try to match up the existing ones, will also see the condition of the controls - will most prob be sending them off to get refurbished.

[Pennpromo]

Sorry Pash,
I would have to side with the "old farts" being one myself, nearly, and go for tradition, I recall when she was ABO and she looked terrific. Yes Double Two Shirts was good but if you are trying to be authentic go for the first livery not a subsiquent one. You could always change it slightly to "ABB", Another Bloody Boat !

[Pash 1]

The way the cost keep rising it may soon be OBB (Only bloody boat) Think Mrs Pash will be hitting the Credit Card fairly hard in the States whilst im on a 3 day diving trip :aaahhh:

[Shelbysteve]

I'd have it in the livery that it was most successful racing, Double 2 shirts does look great!

As a kid I always remember it in the Radio Rentals livery! It would look good in a nice glossy ferrari red.

[Pash 1]

Its staying "Double 2 Shirts" :hugegrin:

[Shelbysteve]

Ill look forward to seeing it again.

[Pash 1]

Ill look forward to seeing it again.

Thanks, so will I :up:

[Alex9766]

BALLERINA is the best by far ! why would you want to sponsor with no fee???

[cfun]

Double 2 Shirts it would have to be for me, that represents for me the change of fortunes for the beasty and also a time when it swapped out it's petrol for deisel and became a winner :up: can picture it now bobbing away at the front of the fleet however as far as the bobbing goes I think I would be tempted to see if the spray rails could be extended in either alloy and bolted through the hull or glassed on in some way to see if the bobbing could be cured although it may not be that simple perhaps a bit of fettling of the aft end by one of the marine designers on these forums may be fortuitous

[Pash 1]

Interestingly enough, the Company Double Two Limited is still in existence, and they have a Trade Mark Registered "Double 2 Shirts"....

Now this could lead to problems or a great result.. Namely If I named and branded the boat "Double 2 Shirts" without getting the Companies consent There are grounds for prosecution under the infringement of Copyright laws, alternatively perhaps there could be some sponsorship opportunity.... if not then just their permission would be helpful.

So, a letter to the Company will be the first thing to be done when I return asking permission to use their Trade Mark...

And I thought this was going to be fairly easy :headbang:

Thanks Tim B-C for bringing this to my attention :up:

[BigBird1964]

Interestingly enough, the Company Double Two Limited is still in existence, and they have a Trade Mark Registered "Double 2 Shirts"....

Now this could lead to problems or a great result.. Namely If I named and branded the boat "Double 2 Shirts" without getting the Companies consent There are grounds for prosecution under the infringement of Copyright laws, alternatively perhaps there could be some sponsorship opportunity.... if not then just their permission would be helpful.

So, a letter to the Company will be the first thing to be done when I return asking permission to use their Trade Mark...

Pash

I'm sure if you went to the company and explained that you were restoring a classic raceboat and that they could only benefit from the media attention that it will attract, they would have no problem with it!?

Failing that, a slight change of name to Double 2 Shits maybe the answer? (I can see your lawyer mind panicking from here:aaahhh: )

[cfun]

I'm sure back in the late 80's I purchased a shirt in London with a Double 2 shirts label a kind of Miami Vice recreation, probably in the loft lagging the tank by now !

[TECKNO 40]

I think that's the full set now.

We raced it as Diesel Dancer in Atlantic City

[Shelbysteve]

I think Ive just found your Planatec Fly to the sky here in video at 3.34 sec!

Classic old cowes torquay race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Eg575uljs&feature=related

[Jon Holmes]

Thanks for that Steve,

That is brilliant powerboat racing.:up:

[Shelbysteve]

Yes its a rare one with the sounds of the boats without the 70s porn music! well theres a little porn music at the end:rolleyes:

Gosh i must of been around 4/5 years old. Maybe earlier! does anyone know of the year!

[mike k]

Yes its a rare one with the sounds of the boats without the 70s porn music! well theres a little porn music at the end:rolleyes:

Gosh i must of been around 4/5 years old. Maybe earlier! does anyone know of the year!


So that's what 70's porn music sounds like. :)

[Shelbysteve]

So that's what 70's porn music sounds like. :)

Yes i am only guessing too:devil:

[southwesthotcat]

Gosh i must of been around 4/5 years old. Maybe earlier! does anyone know of the year! .....
1972 .....
and I think that at least one person raced CTC last Sunday and in 72!

[Jon Fuller]

I think youtube member ptorvund, who posted those vids has been doing a little vid snatching from our archives! they're both edits I did for the gallery.

'Phantom Powerboats' is the 'P25' vid for example, the other one is as supplied by graham for the gallery.

good innit, the yanks keep doing it on OSO too.

[Shelbysteve]

Gosh i must of been around 4/5 years old. Maybe earlier! does anyone know of the year! .....
1972 .....
and I think that at least one person raced CTC last Sunday and in 72!


Yes i heard! was he the one mentioned that raced in yellowdrama, now at the age of 79?

I take my hat off to him.

[Pash 1]

Jesus, you go away for a week and whilst sunning yourself your thread gets Hi-Jacked :headbang:

6am here cant sleep (well not at the correct times) baking hot during the day 114 deg at Parker Dam today according to the forecast :up: Going Diving at lake havasu tomorrow :up:

[southwesthotcat]

Yes i heard! was he the one mentioned that raced in yellowdrama, now at the age of 79?

I take my hat off to him.

WRONG ANSWER!
No 56 Conserve or Perish, Kieth Schellenberg (I also take off me tammy shanter) ... KS did start in both ... and completed the course in 2008 but not in 72.

[Black_Tornado]

I believe that by now the decision on D2S is taken but I am worthwhile in full with Tim.
ABO would have been the correct version.
I believe that generally when an old boat is ri-built must be done reference to the original version, the first.
If I don't mistake then ABO was it the first Planatec 40?' Or was Uno Embassy?:rolleyes:
Help! flying fish!
However compliments to Pash1 to have saved another piece of history of the Offshore. That true.:up:

[BluFin]

Had a good chat with pash today & what ones needs are.
So the plan now to raise the front deck & fit in a twin berth & small galley & head. Just not quite a raw racer as is - needed some smooth edges & comfort added. Thats the plan, same time schedule & a few frames will need triming & a rework but nothing too major. Deck pod will be a ply shell covered in GRP for speed & easy construction, Bit like the old dry Martini Cigarette

[BigBird1964]

Had a good chat with pash today & what ones needs are.
So the plan now to raise the front deck & fit in a twin berth & small galley & head. Just not quite a raw racer as is - needed some smooth edges & comfort added. Thats the plan, same time schedule & a few frames will need triming & a rework but nothing too major. Deck pod will be a ply shell covered in GRP for speed & easy construction, Bit like the old dry Martini Cigarette

I hope this is a wind up - it would be a trajedy to mess with this beautiful boat.:angry:

[TimB-C]

Had a good chat with pash today & what ones needs are.
So the plan now to raise the front deck & fit in a twin berth & small galley & head. Just not quite a raw racer as is - needed some smooth edges & comfort added. Thats the plan, same time schedule & a few frames will need triming & a rework but nothing too major. Deck pod will be a ply shell covered in GRP for speed & easy construction, Bit like the old dry Martini Cigarette

SOUNDS MORE LIKE A BLOODY ABORTION TO ME>>>>>>>>>>>IMHO:angry: :puker:

[FLYING FISH]

Ok Marco I`ve taken the bait.Miss Embassy was first boat built in 1973,then YABO (Yet another bloody omelette) as a successor to Hot Omlette (Avenger 34).YABO delaminated in a South American race,and Tim Powell finally used it as `Breathless` for dayboat use.ABO followed YABO in 1974.Unoembassy being the sister plastic boat.Now we are back on the planatec track via Keith Schellenberg (Botany Bay Express was another of his mounts in RB69 - see Gallery).There are other similar hulls to the Planatec ones built under licence in Italy.

[FLYING FISH]

It`s ironic,the moment an old racer is modified away from the original,the arms go up.I can`t remember any outcry with the way `Gee` has ended up.
More like glad to have it racing again.Even Surfury had berths and a bog on board.Didn`t you have a crapper on Black Tornado Tim,or was it a bucket.I should think a berth would have been handy for all those retirements you had.

[TimB-C]

Graham the only retirements were in the C/T/C and always back to Fairey's pronto !!!:hugegrin:
I am also sure most "crappers" were for decoration ....or you wore nappies !!!!!!!

What hull was "Botany Bay"?

[TimB-C]

:aaahhh: P.S. We should have had an ashtray mind you the amount VB and I smoked !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:hugegrin:

[Pash 1]

Jesus not only does it get Hi-Jacked but bastardised... good wind-up though John :up:

Product Update: No Bog - No Bunks - No Raised Deck

No ABO !

No Body else wanted to take the risk on her so its up to me.... so it could be 2 oars & no whores (dohhhh)...

Having a serious rethink about the seating arrangement, not keen on bolsters - I dont stand up for the Queen so why should I do it in my boat! Had a quick peek at swipes and like the "Lorry Seating" setup.... If its good enought for Mr Fullers Piles then it will be good enough for mine when and if I get them :devil:

Went to Norstog today and picked up my gauges and gps speedo $600 for the lot or circa £300 in english folding - ordered 4 more fuel gauges another water pressure gauge, another fuel pressure gauge and another tacho $375 cash :)

There's more "Bling" over here than you can shake a stick at - Mrs Pash has surgically removed my debit card "OUCH"

oh and by the way its 116 degrees in the shade :up: the babe's at fox's bar in the middle of the river at Parker are mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wish I was 20 yrs younger, 10 yrs wiser, and five yrs richer :up:

[BluFin]

I thought it was good - put the Dry martini bit in there to give a clue.

[Pash 1]

John 7500 miles away and you still do it........ what a star :up: but you forgot the twin drinks holders and ashtray, Anodised in Barny Purple :devil:

Have you given that 28 cleaver a spin yet??

[BluFin]

John 7500 miles away and you still do it........ what a star :up:

Have you given that 28 cleaver a spin yet??

Hopefully the weekend but a lot on at the moment. You should pop into Lifeline Lifejackets while your there & see Kent & Pam, if you get your card back :aaahhh:

EDIT: 1606 S.Kost Ave, Parker, AZ 85344 (Snigger)

[Pash 1]

Lifeline is about 300 miles away now :headbang:
will have to pop in on thursday when back in california.
Where are they based John and what do I need/Want/would like???

Do they do Parachutes :devil: might need one to slow the boat down after overtaking the cleaning product :devil:

[BluFin]

"Comp Vest" or "Non-Chute" in Orange Lifeline Race jackets (http://www.lifelinejackets.com/race_jackets.cfm)

But dont you dare say I told you so or I'll be wearing my Ba**s as earings

[Pash 1]

Hopefully the weekend but a lot on at the moment. You should pop into Lifeline Lifejackets while your there & see Kent & Pam, if you get your card back :aaahhh:

EDIT: 1606 S.Kost Ave, Parker, AZ 85344 (Snigger)

Thats literally 10 mins down the road :)

What do I need????????????
The wound is healing (Ive got the company credit card :devil: )

[BluFin]

Duplicate post.......see my previous

[Black_Tornado]

Ok Marco I`ve taken the bait.Miss Embassy was first boat built in 1973,then YABO (Yet another bloody omelette) as a successor to Hot Omlette (Avenger 34).YABO delaminated in a South American race,and Tim Powell finally used it as `Breathless` for dayboat use.ABO followed YABO in 1974.Unoembassy being the sister plastic boat.Now we are back on the planatec track via Keith Schellenberg (Botany Bay Express was another of his mounts in RB69 - see Gallery).There are other similar hulls to the Planatec ones built under licence in Italy.

Here the bait.
YABO! You don't speak about it in your list! South American race in 1974? You wrote ABO not YABO. No pic about it?
You spoke about Uno Embassy as a plastic sister boat of YABO(that delaminated),ABO,because they were on wood,composite?
In Italy were built some boats only as pleasure boats from the original mould of Planatec 40' in fiberglass from 1976 by Tecnomarine in Viareggio. One of them is still alive in Viareggio.

[FLYING FISH]

Testing my memory back over 30yrs Marco,the comics always spoke of ABO in the South American race and I think Yabo was a name that although talked about was perhaps not offically mentioned.Another quirky fact difficult to incorporate in any listing.Hot Omlette was core constructed,but for ABO the drawings indicated ply.I don`t have the data to relate back to the South American raced boat.Unoembassy was sister of ABO,if I have confused you.Unoembassy had the induction boxes.These were the rage as F1 cars had them,a la Graham Hill`s Embassy team.At the risk off going off at a tangent Tim,Botany Bay was a Whitehall Shipyard boat to a Schellenberg design I think.A lot of these characters came off the bobsleigh scene looking for another risky sport,which is why the offshore scene was so vibrant then,what with that and ex-fighter pilots adding to the sport.Jeffrey Quill,Max Aitken etc.I can feel a rollicking coming for going down the old fart route here,but so what.Better leave the site free for the D2S inventory list.

[Black_Tornado]

It seems that the election are ended.
By the way what is your party?
The nearly anonymous Double 2 Shirt or you are for the "historical" ABO or even YABO?:tea:

[littlenige]

I'm with the old schoolers - ABO was the definitive livery in my opinion (shame the budget won't run to twin big block Kinsler injected motors!)

[Shelbysteve]

I'm with the old schoolers - ABO was the definitive livery in my opinion (shame the budget won't run to twin big block Kinsler injected motors!)

What a photo! If the boat was painted in the same livery and put into the same area as that photo, then there would be no change! gosh the background of east cowes has'nt changed one bit in my life time.

[littlenige]

Hey Fish, have probably asked you this before - isn't that a young Tim Powell with Buchanan Michaelson?

[FLYING FISH]

Nah,it`s neither of em Nige.The curly mop is the engineer (can`t think of his name),the other who knows, a relative maybe.TP was seconded to Unoembassy during which he had the fisheads thrown at him from the Shambles LV,for going too close on second lap round in Needles race.Buchanan Michaelson had Tony Mayes as his throttleman.I remember Tony was so gutted with retiring early in the CTC that he didn`t hang around for the finish,so by the time the winner crossed the finish line ,he was back home in front of the telly.

[Hasbeen]

It seems that the election are ended.
By the way what is your party?
The nearly anonymous Double 2 Shirt or you are for the "historical" ABO or even YABO?:tea:

I reckon it should return to it's livery that it had the most success with, whatever that is!

Although most people refer to the boat as "double 2 shirts".

[TimB-C]

I reckon it should return to it's livery that it had the most success with, whatever that is!

Although most people refer to the boat as "double 2 shirts".

Then that would be " SPONSOR WANTED " 1988 Class 2 World Champions Guernsey.
Boat was Yellow and Red as per ABO :devil:

[Pash 1]

Chaps,
Lats put an end to the speculation regarding the Name...

ITS GOING TO BE DOUBLE 2 SHIRTS

Oh and just thought i'd let you know its 111.9 degrees her at the Fortuna Raceway :hugegrin:

[TimB-C]

Great shame thought we were going to see a true classic restored but will be great to see her back out there.....

[Shelbysteve]

Was this another livery Double 2 shirts had?

http://media.boatmad.com/gallery/v/graham/calendar/Unoembassy+_1974_+2.jpg.html

[TimB-C]

Was this another livery Double 2 shirts had?

http://media.boatmad.com/gallery/v/graham/calendar/Unoembassy+_1974_+2.jpg.html

Nah was the sister ship to ABO built for Colonel Ronnie Hoare and Harry Hyams.
Tim Powell was the driver. Unfortunately it had a different set up to ABO with the engines side by side and on chains to the legs, where as ABO had staggered engines.
Had a long chat with Mr H a couple of months ago about her and he wasn't very impressed with her.
Now sitting in a barn in sussex..................................

[Shelbysteve]

I wonder how many more are hiding in Barns?

Tell Mr H to get her out of the barn modify and Stagger the engines, call it Triple 3 Shirts and run it with her sister Double 2 Shirts for the next CTC.

If only it was that easy!

[littlenige]

Tim, under whose ownership now? I was under the perhaps mistaken impression that Richard Benge still owned it?? I never realised that it was a side by side set up in the engine bay. Do you think that's why it just wasn't competitive? Still a gorgeous looking boat though. It's a crime for it to be sitting idle!!

[BigBird1964]

Just spotted this little gem. Sadly the sale finished yesterday:headbang:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Toys-models/Die-casts/Matchbox/1970+/photos/a-172756408/p-74608249.htm

[FLYING FISH]

So Harry baby wasn`t too impressed with his boat Tim.After the success of Unowot no doubt he wasn`t,but a few facts to understand the situation a bit more clearly.
Nine inch transfer boxes allow the engines to sit side by side,and are bolted directly on to the engines and outdrive legs.The transfer boxes are chain driven to avoid power loss.The advantage of this installation is weight distribution.Seating the engines well aft leaves room to fit fuel tanks in the engine compartment which shifts the majority of weight aft and gives the boat plenty of bow lift although Unoembassy is fitted with a bow tank to negate too much lift.

Unoembasssy only ran in 1974 before Benge raced her in 76/77.

Results in 1974 were

Lymington National - 1st
Needles - blown engine
CTC - broken rocker arm
Round IOW - 2nd
Torbay - blown piston
Deauville - 2nd (overheating gearbox)
Spithead - broken crankshaft

So from the above it`s debatable as to whether the new design incorporating the transfer box was a disaster,being as the retirements were caused by the usual mechanical problems.Not sure if Benge still used the transfer box when he raced.Don was always one to try something different.Sometimes it works,and sometimes it needs time to get it sorted.With the Embassy sponsorship going down the pan,it rather blocked the progress,otherwise you may have seen an Embassy sponsored OP 1 trimaran take shape as well,and that would have smoked out all the critics like crazy.

[FLYING FISH]

You don`t arf dig em up Bigbird1964.

For some reason I can`t locate it at present,but their was a cardboard cut-out model kit of ABO ,a la cornflake packet style.It`s too tempting to make a cheap comment on this,so I`ll press the submit reply button quick.

[Shelbysteve]

Just spotted this little gem. Sadly the sale finished yesterday:headbang:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Toys-models/Die-casts/Matchbox/1970+/photos/a-172756408/p-74608249.htm

I purchased one 2 years ago on eBay, its not mint but better then the 2 i had when i was kid playing with them in the bath:hugegrin:

Gosh! i just tried to find one on there but there none at all!

Just found these guys have got the Corgi Miss Embassy set for sale at £29.95
http://www.uniquecollections.co.uk/showcat.ihtml?catid=341

Old Chipstead Stores,8 High Road, Chipstead, Surrey, CR5 3QP England,UK.
Tel: +44(0)1737 555598 Fax: +44 (0)1737 554846 Mobile:07710 110760

[Pash 1]

Back from the States now and had a great time and made some really usefull contacts. The friend of mine who we were staying with is up for doing the Cowes Torquay Cowes race next year - told him it would be different from the boating he does on the Colarado River at Parker in his Hallett and showed the videos on here in the multi media section of the race so must get D2S finished on time as he is coming over at the end of May 2009 for the re-launch :up:

Now the serious work starts have got a lead on 2 engines but cant say too much about those at the moment, also 2 Borg Warner gear boxes. The shopping list grows by the day.... Have sent out copies of the drawings to a couple of Companies to get the Fuel Tanks and cradles fabricated so should be getting prices for those back soon 6 tanks were in the original boat two tanks remain but are not fitted so will get those tested and if not in good condition will scrap them and have the full set re-made.

[Scarron]

I reckon you need a pair of these Raylar 550s http://www.raylarengine.com/550_engine.html about $26k ea and compact/light as you like.

Looks like the future to me

[Pash 1]

I Prefer the HO 750's :hugegrin:

[hunton69]

Order your fuel tanks now :)

[Foolish]

Order your fuel tanks now :)

and double their size :)

[Pash 1]

Collected the bits and bobs that Peter had in his garage at the weekend, whoever stripped the boat prior to the painting did it with an angle grinder every cleat is knackered - just got a price on new ones £45 each for the 10 inch cleats and i need 5 of them £15 each for the 4 inch cleats and there is four of those needed :headbang:

Found a timber Plaque which was apparently mounted inside the boat though, its intriguing as I haven’t got a clue what it is - has the following carved into it:

O.N. 706284
R.T. 6 88/100

Any Ideas??

Also picked up the original clocks and dials - not a lot of use to me as ive bought new Nordskog one's so if any body needs any give me a P.M

[Carl]

im not sure but the plaque might be something to do with reistered tonneage,but the figures dont relate,just a guess

[littlenige]

O. N. could mean SSR small ships registry number?

[TimB-C]

O N order number

R T ???? rough trade :hugegrin:

[Scarron]

You are lucky, the O.N. No. and Registered Tonnage marks on the Plaque mean that she was once Part One Registered, you should be able to resurrect that by contacting the UK Register of Shipping http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/ukr-home/pleasurecraft-smallships.htm

I did that when I bought my boat and got with it the original blue bound registration document which contains full details of the original registration and all the subsequent changes of ownership, a fascinating document.

It would be worth contacting them with the ON No. if was let lapse a long time ago you may not be able to get it back but at the least they may be able to provide some copies from their records.

Being Part 1 registered also means she will have been recorded in Lloyds Register of Shipping so you may be able to trace her back in there.

Paul.

[BYM-Jo]

O.N = "Official number" of its certificate of British Registery
R.T = "Registered Tonnage"

[Adam]

Came across this photo whilst searching for something else! Thought it might be of interest. Dated 1989.

[littlenige]

Great pic Adam, not seen that one! And I forgot just how good she looked as Radio Rentals!

[Pash 1]

But much better as Double 2 Shirts :hugegrin:

[Pash 1]

You are lucky, the O.N. No. and Registered Tonnage marks on the Plaque mean that she was once Part One Registered, you should be able to resurrect that by contacting the UK Register of Shipping http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/ukr-home/pleasurecraft-smallships.htm

I did that when I bought my boat and got with it the original blue bound registration document which contains full details of the original registration and all the subsequent changes of ownership, a fascinating document.

It would be worth contacting them with the ON No. if was let lapse a long time ago you may not be able to get it back but at the least they may be able to provide some copies from their records.

Being Part 1 registered also means she will have been recorded in Lloyds Register of Shipping so you may be able to trace her back in there.

Paul.


Thanks Chaps, Ive email them lets see what comes back - should be interesting :up:

[blind dog]

so when are you starting on the boat,did you go for the ex f1 drivers motors:up:

[Pash 1]

so when are you starting on the boat,did you go for the ex f1 drivers motors:up:

Already Started Scott, when I was in the states i located a pair of V12 Lambo's putting out 900 hp each should have them at drivers next saturday :hugegrin:

[blind dog]

they should make a loooovely noise,can you get them here that fast

[Pash 1]

Panamar Canal !

Not that thirsty though - run on re-cycled Chip Fat!

:drain: :drain: :drain:

[Pash 1]

Panamar Canal !

Not that thirsty though - run on re-cycled Chip Fat!

:drain: :drain: :drain:



Seriously though - working on the "Engine Procurement" this week - need a client to pay some of his bills then can move forward :up:

[blind dog]

sounds good,are you going to do it all at drivers

[Pash 1]

Yep she's staying at Drivers and the vast majority of the work will be done down there. Have received loads of ofers of help so most weekends I will be in/on or around her - with the occasional blast in the Cat if the weathers good :hugegrin:

[Pash 1]

Here are some pictures of the Goodies I picked up

The Dash is really something - but holes are too big for the Nordskog Gauges so will try and get the dash replicated as near as poss. The Cleats as removed by Grinder mmmmmmmm Quality workmanship :down:

The shifters im going to send off and get shotblasted then re-chromed

the gauges - well if anybody wants them im open to offers.....

[Pash 1]

And the SSR Plaque :up:

[TECKNO 40]

Before any one asks why there are 4 rev counters it was to show when the Torque converters were in 'lock up'

[TECKNO 40]

The top Stainless gauges were the boost gauges the old Sabres ran at 65 psi!

[Pash 1]

Before any one asks why there are 4 rev counters it was to show when the Torque converters were in 'lock up'

On the dash under where they were situated it says "Torque Con RPM" so I guess so! two "Engine RPM" and two "Torque Con RPM"

Interestingly enough it also has two "Boost Gauges" was this to an early version of a Turbo Charger??

[TECKNO 40]

We might have measured the turbo (boost) pressure after the 1st turbo and then at the inlet manifold.
Just thinking that Roger Fletcher might have been the one who had the plate made for when we raced it in the USA

[Pash 1]

We might have measured the turbo (boost) pressure after the 1st turbo and then at the inlet manifold.
Just thinking that Roger Fletcher might have been the one who had the plate made for when we raced it in the USA

What Plate??

[TECKNO 40]

Sorry plaque!

[Pash 1]

Was going to say that on the Dash is inscribed "Race Prepared by Jim Brooker Racing"

Anybody know anything about Jim Brooker Racing??

[blind dog]

jim brooker was the man in his day:up:

[TECKNO 40]

Jim Brooker was the guy who rigged it with the Sabres and looked after it for a couple of years. Other people on here might know where he is now. His work shop is now Sunseeker Rally HQ

[Jon Fuller]

I thought he lived in Spain now. he's a member here.

he used to work for Tony Toll at Aeroform before retiring/the spanish move.

he also rigged Dick Struttons Cougar 46 in '86

[Pash 1]

Jim Brooker was the guy who rigged it with the Sabres and looked after it for a couple of years. Other people on here might know where he is now. His work shop is now Sunseeker Rally HQ

Perhaps he will give me a quote for fitting the engines :worthy:

Spain (sunshine sea and sangria)- Southampton (Cold wet rain) - Doubt it :down:

[BigBird1964]

So Pash, whats the the weapon of choice for the project? Is it a pair of large petrols or are you going for oil burners?

Details Please :hugegrin:

[Pash 1]

BIG PETROLS --------need to keep Al Gore happy :up:

[timtap]

I hope that we may see a blow by blow pictorial account of this mammouth
undertaking, I for one would be bloody interesed to see this all come together.:up:

Can't you scrounge a pair of Bugatti Veron engines from VW seeing as they seem to be breaking into the marine business ??

[Captain Chaos]

BIG PETROLS --------need to keep Al Gore happy :up:

how big exactly?

[Tony Davis]

how big exactly?

About 3ft x 2ft

[Captain Chaos]

so you old baffoon............ your answer to "how big exactly".............. started with "about"!

[Pash 1]

Either twin 650's or 750's :hugegrin:

[Shelbysteve]

Came across this photo whilst searching for something else! Thought it might be of interest. Dated 1989.

I found a colour picture of her here too! http://www.ukoba.co.uk/2007gallery.htm

[Captain Chaos]

Either twin 650's or 750's :hugegrin:

do you think you'l opt for genuine merc sci's ........ or are you looking at alterntives such as Flagship/Cobra/Chief?

[Pash 1]

do you think you'l opt for genuine merc sci's ........ or are you looking at alterntives such as Flagship/Cobra/Chief?

Gas guzzelling big block Chevies - Fords - or GM's

I recon 1300 - 1500 HP should do the trick, havent had Taz offer me the engine from his Tow Van yet but im sure it will happen - he has'nt even offered me the twin XR2's for her (Must have given up)

Got some more bling delivered today (the postman must wonder what im doing) new Stainless Steel Cleats (all 9 of them) arrived today - managed to get them into the office before Mrs Pash noticed another delivery.... :devil:

[Tony Davis]

I recon 1300 - 1500 HP should do the trick,

You don't intend to use those old drives do you, and your gonna need something more than a std 72c box!

[Pash 1]

You don't intend to use those old drives do you, and your gonna need something more than a std 72c box!

Borg Warner velvet drives thats what I was thinking about Tony and yes using the "Old" drives which I am lead to believe have been checked and overhauled :up:

[BigBird1964]

which I am lead to believe have been checked and overhauled :up:

Knowing who 'checked and overhauled' them, I would have them looked at again.:aaahhh:

[Pash 1]

Knowing who 'checked and overhauled' them, I would have them looked at again.:aaahhh:

????? Mr Hamilton ?????

[Mrs Pash]

Got some more bling delivered today (the postman must wonder what im doing) new Stainless Steel Cleats (all 9 of them) arrived today - managed to get them into the office before Mrs Pash noticed another delivery.... :devil:

Mrs Pash is always watching, never forget that:seaman:

[BluFin]

:drain: :drain: :drain:

[Pash 1]

Mrs Pash is always watching, never forget that:seaman:

Shit.....

Which Mrs Pash are we talking About?

Mrs Pash (first edition) Alimony all paid up - no axe to grind
Mrs Pash (Second Edition) All bitter and twisted
Mrs Pash (Best Edition) Cant work out why im doing this (Male mid life crisis)

[Mrs Pash]

Shit.....

Which Mrs Pash are we talking About?

The one who's going to have your danglies for earings if you don't stop buggering about with boats and buy me that feckin mirror I want for the lounge.


XXX

[Budweiser]

knowing Mrs Pash you better get down the mirror shop mate -- she aint even hormonal yet

[cfun]

A few engines to chose from, just in case your slaking on the engine hunting front, here is a few links for engines, I'm keen too see the beast in action again ... manufacturers, motors for sale and the odd test ...

http://boostpower.com/catalog/index.php

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.com/new_502-o25441-en.html

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.com/525efi_with_headers-o24332-en.html

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.com/for_sale_pair_525_motors_complete-o25687-en.html

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.com/pair_mercury_racing_525_efi_039_s-o24233-en.html

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.com/boostpower_usa_marine_625efi_engine-o25060-en.html

http://www.v8engines.com/electrics-2.htm

http://www.sterlingperformance.org/

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.com/brand_new_mercury_racing_525efi_bravo_xr_or_6_engi ne_pakages-o21863-en.html

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.com/pair_of_502_motors_hp575sci_w_blowers_0_hours-o22049-en.html

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.com/brand_new_mercury_racing_700_sci_nxt_packages_abso lute_best_prices_www_nortechnorth_com-o21194-en.html

http://www.teaguecustommarine.com/CATALOG/index.php

http://www.potterperformance.com/

http://www.chiefengines.com/

http://www.atecoengines.com/

http://www.cobrapower.com/

http://www.go-fast.com/

http://www.mercuryracing.com/_media/pdf/Merc-vs-Ilmore--Boating.pdf

http://www.ilmor.com/marine/index.html

http://www.bakerengineeringinc.com/PEOffshore.html

After getting through that lot I bet ye eyesight has gone

[BigBird1964]

After getting through that lot I bet ye eyesight has gone

That's not the reason his eyesight has gone.........:wank:

[TimB-C]

That's not the reason his eyesight has gone.........:wank:

:devil: Never a truer word said in jest :hugegrin:

[Pash 1]

:wank: Thanks BIG BIRD... or should a say Mrs Pash :speechles

At least I can rest well knowing the real Mrs Pash isnt going to give me a hard time over the mirror :up:

Oh and Tim :moon:

[Budweiser]

Hey Pash1,
There are plenty of engines for sale on this interweb thingiy,take time,evaluate the options.
Remember you need a pair, a matched pair. To purchase "used" means a rebuild , to purchase "rebuilt" questions the ability of the person that supposedly built them and to what budget they had.
We had enough experience of that from the rally car,yes that was fun, but this time it is seriuos wedge.
To do justice to the hull you have bought (ex-double2shirts,ex-ABO,ex-YABO) ex whatever it was last called,it has to go back as a competative race boat, not an also ran in classic colours.
I know that the hull (is that the right name for the floaty bit?) has reportedly been "sorted" during the previous owners failed refit, granted it looks nice , but i know sod all about boats.For that i would ask the obvious experts here to have a look and comment.
I am experienced in engines, not marine granted,but in real terms there is no difference,only a different way of cooling,--why not mount some rads on the back?--in my book sea water is corosive and as such should never be allowed to flow thru a cooling system.Continuing the same vein, the stern drives that exist, although recently overhauled should be treated as suspect, and as such should be serviced as a minimum.
Correct me if i am wrong,you have two stern drives but no gearbox or engines.
The best place to put an inboard engine is on the centre line, should you have two, the prefered set up is a staggered one, presumably to avoid torque effects? --to run the boat right, well to run it as it was, you need two big v8, running a total of around 1300bhp, atleast that is what i assume from reading up on the boat.---Todays technology has advanced with race engines,i can build you a 1500bhp motor based on a 572 block with a little help from a supercharger, add a basic gearbox with splitter,(think axle drive) job done.
Pash1,just because "street" engines are not normally used do not discount them.Look at drag boat racing,four doors down from you you have the current #4 in top methanol dragster, Dave Wilson,
http://www.santapod.co.uk/dr_stand2008detail.php?ID=61
not a boat granted,engine expertise, oh yes 5000bhp.

ok its out of the box,life is like that,rebuild the "classic", but build it as they could have done if todays tech was available,a tip of the cap to the history of the boat if you wish, certainly a salute.
just my 2 cents worth
regards to mrs pash
Budweiser

[Jon Fuller]

:hugegrin:

It's all so obvious! Why has no one else ever thought of this?

In fact, I have an even better idea, why not link together 250 Fantic GT moped engines with elastic bands!!! (you know, those legendary 70's giant killers) A bit 'out of the box', granted, but imagine the redundancy! you'd hardly even notice if one went pop, and if it siezed, it would just snap the elastic band!!! And it would also sound great (remove all baffles of course)

JMHO

[Pash 1]

:hugegrin:

It's all so obvious! Why has no one else ever thought of this?

In fact, I have an even better idea, why not link together 250 Fantic GT moped engines with elastic bands!!! (you know, those legendary 70's giant killers) A bit 'out of the box', granted, but imagine the redundancy! you'd hardly even notice if one went pop, and if it siezed, it would just snap the elastic band!!! And it would also sound great (remove all baffles of course)

JMHO

Jon Fantic was a reliable moped, I had one :hugegrin: traded it in and got 9/10 of 4/5th's of nothing against a FS1E now that was a funky moped :up:

Will converse with said mechanic this evening :hatchet:

[cfun]

On the how much power how fast ratio, I would assume a rough idea can be gained by the speed of the boat in it's past life with it's various power plants especially it's more recent Marathon diesel engines, and can further information on how things will turn out with petrol units be gauged from the also Shed designed Cinzano assuming the hull has essentially the same running angles, although it is clear to see the spray rails are different ( still 3 though ) and run further to the aft end of the boat no doubt aiding the hull efficiency, and as I have said on other posts is it not possible to extend these spray rails much further down the hull to perhaps aid the running angle and negate any porpoising the hull seemed to suffer from in past times

[TECKNO 40]

Best speed we ever saw on the speedo (pre gps) was 82 MPH that was with 630 hp Sabres.
You are right Jon how simple it all can sound !!!

[motorvator]

Marty whilst conversing with said mechanic can you put him right on two things?

Firstly you will require a matched pair of pairs:devil:

And secondly if he thinks you can run a street rod engine in a marine application then he really should go over to America and let all the specialist suppliers know that they can cut their parts bins down by 50%.

There is actually quite a good reason for running a marine specific cam etc. As for Dave Wilson if you ask him you'll probably find the same bloke that built his engine built the 454 that was in the revenger when I bought it. "Yus mate fully this and that". You're welcome to see the remains of that from when a con rod blew through the side of the block. At the time he was the top of the table in the country for top fuel dragsters!

Think about it how many race engines be it drag, rally, circuit etc are asked to continue delivering their full power at full revs for over an hour with the occasional over rev when you leave the water and reverse torque on the engine when going back in for more.

If it was that easy that Curtis bloke would be out of a job.

Now thats all out of the way, I really think you should have a serious chat with JF as he obviously knows his stuff but more to the point I'm intrigued by his idea of multiple lightweight ally redundant engines in a bank.:brain:

Have I ever steered you a wrong un guvnor!:devil:

[motorvator]

Actually I may have been a bit a bit harsh. Just thinking this through with the rads idea. Would you go traditional or a more contemporary style ala Stelrad. More importantly would you just stick with a Honeywell room stat arrangement or go for the Myson trvs? I've heard they can be temperamental.:hugegrin:

[Pash 1]

Actually I may have been a bit a bit harsh. Just thinking this through with the rads idea. Would you go traditional or a more contemporary style ala Stelrad. More importantly would you just stick with a Honeywell room stat arrangement or go for the Myson trvs? I've heard they can be temperamental.:hugegrin:

The Honeywell Room Stat was the first amongst many that I’ve considered, reliability, style and ergonomics all go to make this a market leader. Yes the Stelrad option is worthy of serious thought although I prefer the integrated Towel Rail option as this in conjunction with a swim platform and shower from the Dolphin disability range would make a great aftermarket bolt on........

Chatted the "She Who is the Holder of the Credit Card" last night about a fact finding mission to Florida aka a chaps piss-up on the pretext of looking for engines and to my great surprise she agreed, so Im getting my Pastel Coloured matching Terracotta suit out of the loft along with my canvas shoes and heading west in the new year along with my friend from California who speaks the lingo to translate for me. Have adjusted the budget for the procurement of said "Lumps" and made dramatic savings on Stelrad option.

Seriously, and getting back to the matter in hand, after speaking to TD and Jon over the weekend I hadn’t realised the complexity of marine engines and the way they are put together I thought an engine was exactly that - an engine! but I know realise that engines are like women - they can be temperamental, blow up at any minute, cost you a fortune and finding two good ones to use at the same time is like finding Rocking Horse Poo :hugegrin: when you can find them the running cost are massive :devil: and more to the point keeping the secret from the current Mrs would almost be impossible :devil:

[The Real Mrs Pash]

Actually I may have been a bit a bit harsh. Just thinking this through with the rads idea. Would you go traditional or a more contemporary style ala Stelrad. More importantly would you just stick with a Honeywell room stat arrangement or go for the Myson trvs? I've heard they can be temperamental.:hugegrin:

Whichever works out the cheapest.
He has told me £6000 will have it running and complete,
Can anyone tell me if he is telling the truth??

[Mrs Pash]

Martin

How did you think you were going to keep a secret from me - like who is this imposter pretending to be me?

Just you wait til I untie you and get in from the shed, you're going to be in deep trouble.:angry:

The other Mrs Pash (the best one!)

[BigBird1964]

He has told me £6000 will have it running and complete,
Can anyone tell me if he is telling the truth??

He's not lying to you - £6,000 should just about fill it up:hugegrin:

[Pash 1]

Whichever works out the cheapest.
He has told me £6000 will have it running and complete,
Can anyone tell me if he is telling the truth??

Now this is really taking the Piss, The Real Mrs Pash is She who holds the credit cards sign on name, she taking a bath at the mo and could'nt have done this post............
Jon Internet security of your members is being compromised and as I mentioned on Saturday "DUTY OF CARE" Don’t make me add you to the list of "Unfortunates" I have in court at the Moment..... find this charlatan and ban them :up:

[motorvator]

£6000?

:drain::drain::drain::drain::drain::drain::drain:: drain:

[Pash 1]

Martin

How did you think you were going to keep a secret from me - like who is this imposter pretending to be me?

Just you wait til I untie you and get in from the shed, you're going to be in deep trouble.:angry:

The other Mrs Pash (the best one!)

Simon Ha Ha Ha

The list is growing - retrebution will be mine :devil: in this life or the next !

[The Real Mrs Pash]

:rolleyes:

MARTIN, can you explain exactly what is going on here,
Whoever is saying they are Mrs Pash seems to know about what we are up to in the shed at night.

[Mrs Pash no2]

Just you wait till my lawyers see this lot:argue:

[Pash 1]

Its not a Shed !
Global Head Office Yes the nerve centre for world domination Yes but a shed NO

and If you could earn the money I earn from "My environmentally sustainable PPG3 compliant head office you wouldn’t be fart arsing about impersonating me Mrs..... you would be doing what I’m doing ..... Billing hours worked whilst conversing with sad people impersonating my dearly beloved Mrs. oh and they haven’t even got a boat :hatchet:

YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE - wish I did !

[Pash 1]

Just you wait till my lawyers see this lot:argue:

Ah Ha..........................

Got you.............

Mrs Pash No 2 whilst a deeply bitter and twisted member of the femail human breed wouldn't say that knowing she had a vastly inflated cash settlement encompassing a gagging order.......

got you Ratty.............

She also knows if she was the last woman on gods given earth I would rather be Gay than get back with her !

[BigBird1964]

Global Headquarters

[Pash 1]

So......

The Business Rates are cheap........... there is a ressession on you know :up:

[gazza]

Sorry Ratty dont no nofing bout Mrs Pash no-2 officer, Honest:hugegrin:

[Mrs Pash no2]

Ah Ha..........................

Got you.............

Mrs Pash No 2 whilst a deeply bitter and twisted member of the femail human breed wouldn't say that knowing she had a vastly inflated cash settlement encompassing a gagging order.......

got you Ratty.............

She also knows if she was the last woman on gods given earth I would rather be Gay than get back with her !

I should like my lawyers to note that it is you that bought up the gay bit again. You're obviously not over it.

[gazza]

Global Headquarters


I wish youd stop showing everyone where i live:hugegrin:
Thats posh up ere by the way

[Pash 1]

Its an un-holy alliance of the dog the bird and the rat.............

just wait until D2S is finished you will all be eating your words then (especially as you wont be able to afford food when ive finished with you - anybody seen or heard from Gav????)

I rest my case your honour

[Pash 1]

I should like my lawyers to note that is you that bought up the gay bit again. You're obviously not over it.

The alledged Mrs Pash 2 (or who ever you are) I said wold rather be gay not am gay, not have been gay.... its all in the grammer - retard!

[blind dog]

for once i can say the dog aint involved

[gazza]

I believe Gav (Alan) is busy doing Porsche roofs, how is he due you anything Pash?

[BigBird1964]

Just had a thought, if the budget gets a little stretched - you could always take D2S home:hugegrin:

[Pash 1]

I believe Gav (Alan) is busy doing Porsche roofs, how is he due you anything Pash?

If I tell you Ive got to Kill you - ask Simon :up: wigle the thumb!

[Pash 1]

Thats a great pickie Simon www.Boatshed/home.com love it

[gazza]

If I tell you Ive got to Kill you - ask Simon :up: wigle the thumb!

You've got me stumped Pash,
Is this summit to do the gay post above?:rolleyes:
You and Gav been getting it together or something?

[Jon Fuller]

Jon Fantic was a reliable moped

Yes, and I have an 18" shlong.

[BigBird1964]

Yes, and I have an 18" shlong.

Now we know why Chaos is always smiling:aaahhh:

[Pash 1]

Gentlemen,
It has been fun tonight and I haven’t laughed so much in ages but I must get the report I’m doing finished which I’m charging extortionate fees for on an hourly basis, Professional ethicists dictate I should do something for the £1,575.00 I’ve billed out whilst bantering with you lot !

[Mrs Pash no2]

The alledged Mrs Pash 2 (or who ever you are) I said wold rather be gay not am gay, not have been gay.... its all in the grammer - retard!

Now Now Marty I haven't seen you get this excited since you came out the first time round. What with all the misspellings.

[Pash 1]

Now Now Marty I haven't seen you get this excited since you came out the first time round. What with all the misspellings.

Chaps - The Original Mrs Pash is registering.................. holy crap you had better watch out now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blind dog]

so who is this one,getting real confussing now,i hope you dont go to bed and get the names mixed up:aaahhh:

[Pash 1]

Its actually the "True Mrs Pash" so watch out lads.......................:hatchet:

[blind dog]

blimey look at who,s registering now:aaahhh:

[The True Mrs Pash]

Well the True Mrs Pash is now online ! so your fun is now invaided !!!
so when did you take a photo of Mr Pash's office? I didnt spot you. Mind you
with all those "spare metal bits" now planted in his office its a little difficult to spot anyone!

Good night have fun you mad bunch

:boobs:
x

[cfun]

Quick give Audi a buzz ask if they want to give you 2 engines in return for some development work on setting them up in a famous classic race boat, then have the boat written with their name all over it and offer it for shows and I bet these 500hp gems could be squeezed for another 50 apiece with ease

http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Audi-Q7-6.0-V12-TDI/222264/

And do they say these engines are only 300KG each that would be a massive weight saving on the old Sabre Marathon units
and couple them to these as used by the P1 Donzi team

http://www.flexitab.com/eng_racing.htm

[timtap]

I like Cfuns thinking, however there is another around for the nudging...
Aston Martin V12 600 hp , would be Great looking livery on a boat
fabulous history with Endurance racing engines
And... Have put their engines in a boat once upon a time !!!

http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd325/timtap/Venus__1967_.jpg

[TimB-C]

Anyone know where Venus is?

[timtap]

Anyone know where Venus is?

About 25 million miles from earth !!!!!!!:hugegrin:

I am still looking for one of these classic Tremletts to put up against the Faireys one day in the Endurance races.
I have heard that Miss Polly Perkins is in Liverpool but no other info forthcoming.
Crescendo 1969 ??

[TimB-C]

I've been looking for Miss P P for years also Jackie S a Moreland/Clarke last known in Fareham

[Pash 1]

Ok...............................

A Joke is a Joke But...............

My entire family has Registered:

The True Mrs Pash
The Real Mrs Pash
Mrs Pash No 2
Pash's Mum
Pash's Dad
Pashs Big Brother
Pashs Lover Boy

If anybody wants to register My Auntie Grace she's 96, deaf and cant walk so be my guest......

Now as they say its all in the detail....
The True Mrs Pash is my wife (Statement of Fact)
The Real Mrs Pash is a figment of somebody’s imagination
Mrs Pash No 2 (The bitter and Twisted One) is more interested in whisky than Forums
Pash's Mum died 10 years ago - so unless they have the internet in heaven then its not her!
Pash's Dad died 11 years ago - as above applies
Pashs Big Brother - haven’t got a big brother
Pashs Lover Boy - as above applies...

so unless Pash's Dentist, or Pash's Doctor, or Pash's Neuro Surgeon logs in they will have to prove their identity...

[Pash 1]

Getting back to the thread.....

Went to the Boat Show on Sunday (After Confession)

Found a company to replicate the Ally Dash Board, and also found a company that will remake the windscreen - rather than the painted metal thing thats on her at the moment, also found a Company that makes the original Nav Lights that were taken off with an angle grinder.............

Now got the name of a chap who can make the fuel tanks from TD (Thanks Tony)

So she moves onwards and upwards - Still on programme Motivator :up:

[FLYING FISH]

We all know D2S has had some miles under it`s keel,but just how many?

Trawling through the result sheets some trivia re nautical racing miles has emerged.

ABO (660) - 3W+2F+1R W - Win, F - Finisher, R - Retired
RADIO RENTALS (200) - 1F
MACHO (440) - 2W+5R
BALLERINA (510) - 4W+3R
D2S (2450) - 8W+4F+2R
FOLLETT (1670) - 10W+5F+5R
REJUGA etc (2170) - 8W+11F+5R
MANHATTAN (90) - 1W+1R

Total 8190 nm - 36W+23F+22R (45% win rate)

If you set off south from the solent it would be the equivalent of reaching Cape Horn region.

As a comparsion, Cesa 1882 in all it`s guises comes out at

6200 nm - 17W+17F+5R (44% win rate)

Now I know the mileages can be approximate, but if that Italian hadn`t clobberred that damn sub barrier he might have had even more records to his name.

[littlenige]

The trivia king hits jackpot!

[cfun]

Now that's impressive you must have one hell of an archive of facts and figures at hand :up:

I agree with littleNige deffo the trivia King :brain:

[Hazardous]

Are we all certain that DB2 was ABO? I just spent the day with 'Geriatric', who believes that ABO was a different boat and that this boat was first launced as Ballerina.

Discuss and debate please!

[TimB-C]

Are we all certain that DB2 was ABO? I just spent the day with 'Geriatric', who believes that ABO was a different boat and that this boat was first launced as Ballerina.

Discuss and debate please!

I think "geriatic" is having an dementure moment.
D2S is 100% ABO.......................... Re-read all this thread.................Graham is always !00% correct and I was around when the 1st ABO delamed in S America and the new one came out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Geriatric]

Despite owning Double 2 Shirts for only a matter of months, without even launching it, Haphazardous is still facinated with its history. Was it originally called ASBO or Ballerina or indeed somethink else. However this former offshore racer who NEARLY won two or three Honda championships is setting his sights a little lower and was recently seen leaving Plymouth, heading east along the A38 with a Hardy 20 Fisherman behind his car. I understand he is going to ask Old Man if the Cowes-Torquay rules can be changed to allow 20 foot fishing boats to take part.

[Pash 1]

got so many things going around in my head at the moment but still the question of engines comes back to haunt me. Dont want to get ripped off with the new (ish) lumps, dont actually know what I need, Dont actually know what spec and dont know if it will fit the Mk3 drives! gear boxes???? Borg Warner 72c or not ??? budget is limited so the States seems the best place to get the above, but loosing the will to live at the moment and November 5th is getting more attractive :headbang:

The thing is this, electrical - No problem, getting things taken off and refurbished - No problem, Hydraulics - no problem, blingie bits definately no problem, but the engines.......


Prozac whilst putting you in a "Happy Place" wont sort this.......

Need some realistic advice please ... and remember there is a budget...

I so want to get her back up and running rather that see her rotting at Drivers, have I taken on too much? I hope not.... SHE WILL BE BACK UP AND RUNNING and that a promise!
Thanks
Depressed of Farnborough

[BluFin]

There are lows & highs in every project, lost count on the Midas. But time spent thinking & putting a plan in place is not wasted though the lack of forward progress can be frustrationg.
My biggest wate of money was trying to refurbish old kit, ended up spending a shead load then junking it for the new stuff I should have got in the first place, guess I blew 30% of the budget I had on time wasting and all ended in the skip.

[ciao!]

Need some realistic advice please ... and remember there is a budget...

h

Realistic advice?

Do not spend any money on the the boat.

Things are going to be very bad for a few years yet.

In five or six years time "another bloody omelette" could be a welcome addition to The Solent!

[TimB-C]

Martin as I said to you buy the best and pay less in the long run in rebuilds etc. You need a powerful proven 300 hour plus set of motors, and you no my opinion on the drives.................................the les mecanical bits you have the less to go wrong........
Why the hell you have bought bling gauges I can't understand as when you buy new motors you usually get everthing included if you do the right deal........
So spend more for quality and less future outgoings.
Not smart to have a great looking boat which breaks all the time you need reliability......
Sorry to be blunt but fed up with all the crap advise people give out and people in the "marine trade " ripping every bugger off...........................
RANT OVER.
Good Luck...........:up:

[gazza]

Here goes here is my tuppence worth,
As Bluefin says there are gonna be a lot of ups and down times in a project,
I would Take TD and JF out for a big dinner coz we all know how they will enjoy that, then pick their brains about engines drives contacts for work to be done or where to go to get the right info, (remember the dictaphone or big note book)
Remember good advice from people you can trust and that know their subject is invaluable, Mistakes with is size of boat is going to cost.

Then with the correct info from them or others.

1, Make the all important shopping list
2, Check availability of parts
3, Price up all parts.
4, Price up any works which you cannot do on your own.
5, Set realistic targets date for the Project.
6, where is work going to be carried out ( remember the longer it sits in a yard the more storage your going have to pay.)


You may sit and work out the whole project is not viable for yourself but is worth know now than next spring when you've emptied the bank,
on saying that hope the project goes ahead,
Think with the head and not with the heart.

Realistically a budget is going to have to be in the £25,000 region easy what does everyone else think.

gaZ

[gazza]

Well said Tim
Pash just needs to get his feet on the ground and not listen to the bullshit

gaZ

[Pash 1]

Thanks Lads,
You all know I appreciate and value your input, the budget is and has been from the start £30K... I recon with sourcing good used parts I can get it done for around that figure.....

Just when you look on sites like offshoreonly you see engines that look the part the problem is are they the part I need?

A Classic for instance is ; http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.com/a_pair_of_gen_iv_502_w_500hp-o25849-en.html

Now will they do?

Or these:
http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.com/588_c_i_d_1471_039_s_c-o25601-en.html

That’s the problem which is best value for the money and what else would I need?

I agree with Tim in many respects, but Tim you have been around boats for a long time...... if you were in Court you too would be lost by all the jargon - I on the other hand wouldn’t, you see where I’m coming from?

BluFin yes I expect up's and down's this must just be a down as I don’t seem to be getting anywhere fast - or fast enough for me...

[BluFin]

I should have added to my previous post.
Project......bloody great I was glad I did it & Pash you will be to,daunting at times when you look at the whole. I recall your kind words at my low points.
By heck you have some rants along the road but It's a deep sense of satisfaction when it done. :up:

[Pash 1]

Thanks my friend..:up:

[Pash 1]

Here goes here is my tuppence worth,
As Bluefin says there are gonna be a lot of ups and down times in a project,
I would Take TD and JF out for a big dinner coz we all know how they will enjoy that, then pick their brains about engines drives contacts for work to be done or where to go to get the right info, (remember the dictaphone or big note book)
Remember good advice from people you can trust and that know their subject is invaluable, Mistakes with is size of boat is going to cost.

Then with the correct info from them or others.

1, Make the all important shopping list
2, Check availability of parts
3, Price up all parts.
4, Price up any works which you cannot do on your own.
5, Set realistic targets date for the Project.
6, where is work going to be carried out ( remember the longer it sits in a yard the more storage your going have to pay.)


You may sit and work out the whole project is not viable for yourself but is worth know now than next spring when you've emptied the bank,
on saying that hope the project goes ahead,
Think with the head and not with the heart.

Realistically a budget is going to have to be in the £25,000 region easy what does everyone else think.

gaZ

Got the list, researched the outlets got a realistic target and budget havent taken TD & JF out for a slap up yet - cant work out where to get donuts and curry from the same palce??

[cfun]

Recon a clean set of 525's with drives is a good way to go, if their good like a couple I linked on a previous post and low hours this has got to be a safe ish bet as they have a known reliability history, being extensively used in the USA on pleasure and race boats and perhaps performance will be similar to the 630 hp diesels removed as they are so much lighter, the big problem is by the time they are imported and put in the boat the 30K figure is going to be history

[littlenige]

ABO - Another Bloody Overdraft.........good luck Pash! We are all rooting for you to get her back out there!

[motorvator]

Thanks Lads,
You all know I appreciate and value your input, the budget is and has been from the start £30K... I recon with sourcing good used parts I can get it done for around that figure.....

Just when you look on sites like offshoreonly you see engines that look the part the problem is are they the part I need?

A Classic for instance is ; http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.com/a_pair_of_gen_iv_502_w_500hp-o25849-en.html

Now will they do?

Or these:
http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.com/588_c_i_d_1471_039_s_c-o25601-en.html

That’s the problem which is best value for the money and what else would I need?

I agree with Tim in many respects, but Tim you have been around boats for a long time...... if you were in Court you too would be lost by all the jargon - I on the other hand wouldn’t, you see where I’m coming from?

BluFin yes I expect up's and down's this must just be a down as I don’t seem to be getting anywhere fast - or fast enough for me...


The first ones, the guy needs to make his mind up. Are they 502 or 496. Gen IV engines are sound but you need a four bolt main if you're going to attempt to increase power / revs at any time.

Carb or EFI? Raw water cool or heat exchangers?

If it was me I'd be looking to keep stuff simple with a route to more performance as things progress.

Not sure about the 496s has anyone race proven one yet? See Huntons woes.

Engines are one thing but remember you will need to keep back between 5 and 10k for headers and risers that work and let the engine develop the full potential.

If it was me I'd be looking at a set of very low hours 502 mpi, raw water cooled with the cool fuel and electric pump system gen VI with four bolt mains and the one piece crank seal. Then take the upgrade route from there once you've sorted everything. Thats a very dependable 500 hp per side.

Get yourself a catalogue off REALSTEEL in uxbridge and you'll see how easy/cheap the upgrade is. Don't want to upgrade then you'll always get most of your money back from this route.

all advice given completely free of charge and does not constitute a professional opinion that can be relied upon or subject to any form of guarantee

[cfun]

Here you go make an offer, Pair 502's 575hp $20K

http://www.offshoreonlyclassifieds.com/pair_of_502_motors_hp575sci_w_blowers_0_hours-o22049-en.html

[Andy Edwards]

sorry to disagre chaps but theres nowt wrong with 496s ino the boys with the hunton rib have had agg but they seem to be the only ones my old extreme 24 which scot younger now owns has never missed a beat and one good thing about them is the fuel economy is good at cruise rpm unlike a 502 beit carbed or injected

[Numb Nuts]

Ere reckon you could get a deal on some SEATEK's and spend f&*k all on shipping :seaman:

[Pash 1]

Deisels mmmmmmmmm dont really know,
how much what hp etc etc

[Numb Nuts]

Only kidding mate not the sort of motor you would want for DB2.

[Jon Fuller]

Only kidding mate not the sort of motor you would want for DB2.

And they'd eat Mk III speedmasters for breakfast.

[Pash 1]

I though that too, Petrol 525's far better :devil:

[Numb Nuts]

Mr Fuller do those gentle chaps in the SBS in Poole run their SEATEK's thru #6's or am I on another planet?

[Pash 1]

:up: Drugs :up:

[Jon Fuller]

Mr Fuller do those gentle chaps in the SBS in Poole run their SEATEK's thru #6's or am I on another planet?

I thought they subscribed totaly to Fabio, ..Trimax's.

To be honest, I don't know if a 6 would take a full on race Seatek. knowing that your Yanmars push out what they do (torque wise), imagine a 1300hp Seatek at 3300rpm, or even the 1100's for that matter. Gary K would know.

[Tony Davis]

I thought they subscribed totaly to Fabio, ..Trimax's.



Gareth looks after their Mk 6's

[TECKNO 40]

The VSVs have been mothballed. They were the ones running the MK6s. The ones they are still using are the triples on Trimax drives. The engines are 660hp. The VSV engines were 630s all use step up gearboxes.

[Pash 1]

Couldn’t work out why the hatch stays didn’t fit into the original bolt holes, and why the engine hatches didn’t seem to fit correctly :headbang: So went sorting through my box of "Spares" that came with her and found 4 of the original hinges for the hatches, all four had nylon spacers where the hindge meets the side of the boat - problem sorta solved, when the chap in Cowes put her "Back Together" he forgot the nylon spacers :headbang:

Now where to get these spacers? and quickly??

Mrs P had the fantastic idea of her vegetable cutting board :up: correct thickness, nylon, same colour :up: - so quick "Out of the Box" thinking on her part and Ive got the spacers I need :up:

So this Saturday - as I’m now Billy-No-Boat I will be removing the engine hatches, fitting the new spacers, the missing hinges and the Hatch Stays :up: oh and throwing out the 2 broom handles which were the pro-tem hatch stays... Then onto cleaning out the engine bay, applying some de-greaser and getting her ready for the Light Grey paint which is going on the inside of the hull :up:

Having some progress on the engines and go a tip for my American friend about a Scrab in need of some TLC from a chap who's having his house reposed so needs cash - might be a cheap boat for engines gear boxes etc etc.. in a few months time there could be a scrab hull of ebay with no reserve and a 99p start price :devil:

[Pash 1]

Redid the hinges on the engine hatches over the weekend 8 in total, 64 bolts, nuts and washers - measured up the bolt size, ordered the bolts (stainless steel) together with the Nyloc Nuts and washers, cut the bolts to size, stripped the 5 layers of paint from the existing hinges, 800 grit wet and dry followed with 1500 grit wet and dry - all nice and gleaming :up: two coats of primer and two coats of gloss - hernia lifting the hatches on my own whilst trying to slide bolts into holes perched on an unstable fuel tank using more expletives than Andy (You know who you are!)...
Got one side done on Saturday and was very pleased with the progress.... Sunday up early same as the day before, hernia (2nd One) lifting the hatches on my own whilst trying to slide bolts into holes perched on an unstable fuel tank using more expletives than Andy (You know who you are!)... and the FU>>ING hatch is about 10mm thicker than the other one so the bolts were too short :headbang:

went to my newly acquired Halfords multi section "Bolt Box" and managed to get some flanged bolts that fitted :) next week gota change the flange bolts for the correct ones :headbang:

But the hatches look better than they did before they didn’t look as good as they do now !

Hatch Stays in place so the two broom sticks have been discarded - now onto de-greasing the engine bay - cant stand grease :puker: latex gloves are the answer...

Offer accepted on the new engines just waiting a quote for shipping :up:

So full steam ahead.... also located a pair of Borg Warner 72C's for the right money just need to talk the chap into shipping them from the states.

More updates as progress is made