Phantom Evolution Rib

[Admiral P. Brain]

Anyone know any info/history on this rib for sale ??

http://www.ribsforsale.com/product.asp?RefNo=1969798#

7.5m with a 200HPDI on the back??

Have some friends interested...
Whats that yamaha like on reliabilty, servicing and consumption?
Also what top end do you reckon ?? GPS.. not searay speedo!!

Any idea how much these were brand new??

[jackeen's Missus]

Apologies...can't help with techie stuff...

But I've sat on it (yesterday) and it's absolutely beeeeautiful...

Should eat up the Solent on a sunny day...a boat for blasting round Poole Harbour really....

(Now this is a very Missus-type comment , but great colours!!!!! and with the deck cushions as well should be a big hit with the laydees!!!!)

Fab console...seats...not much storage though ...actually none that I can remember ... and NO ANCHOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We're far too rufty tufty for it!!!!needs a decent driver too otherwise I'm not going out if it's out there!!!!!!

Go & have a look...
A driver's boat!!!!!!!Eyecatching & could leave Cookee crumbling on a good day!!!!

Missus

[Cookee]

Originally posted by jackeen's Missus


Go & have a look...
A driver's boat!!!!!!!Eyecatching & could leave Cookee crumbling on a good day!!!!

Missus

Any time! :duell:

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by jackeen's Missus
Should eat up the Solent on a sunny day...a boat for blasting round Poole Harbour really....Missus

I don't know if you've ever met Neil Holmes, but he's the size of a large house, and has an enviable record as a powerboat racing driver (7 times world champion in various classes :worthy: ) and I'm sure he'll find these comments 'interesting'.

I'm also sure he'll be only too happy to take a few of you 'rufty tufty' workboat types out in some fun conditions to show you just how little control you really have over your sphincter muscles!

;)

[Cookee]

Got a lot of respect for Neil - he has been there and done that and got lots of trophies to prove it!

Doubt if the boat will top 70 mph in standard cruising trim with a 200 on the back though but I've been wrong before!

Mind you if he raises the engine and puts a big prop on it - who knows?

[jackeen's Missus]

is it his boat? Not that we've met him!!!!
(The guy selling it is on RIBNET.)
What I meant by blasting was, it seemed to me (and after all we know I know nothing!!!) it would love flat water & using its speed potential!!!

We both wondered what it would be like to take a few big waves over the nose like us rufty tufty types tend to have to do at times!!!

Wouldn't mind having a spin on it...the passenger seats had equal status!!!!

It was hard to look away:cry: But Jackso's a practical man & thought things through!!!!!!! We'd have had to live on it also...and it wasn't as accomodating as Leviathan!!!!

Missus

[Jon Fuller]

I understand they do 69 mph with a 225 opti

[Jon Fuller]

Neil builds them, and you'd be very surprised what they will do (in the right hands of course) in a lumpy sea.

Neil in a 7.5, Andy in the Techno 40 and Chris Strickland in a 10M Scorpion were the only boats to take on the rough last leg of the Oct poker run

[Cookee]

Well that will give us something to aim for with the leisure version then - got the same motor!

[jackeen's Missus]

In the right hands is the key point!!!!
That's what will hopefully happen...that the boat goes to someone that can handle it!!
The chap selling it says it handles the waves well also.

Whole 'nother ballgame speed innit?

Missus (respect)

[Jon Fuller]

"Flyin this baby through hyperspace aint like dustin crops back home!" (or summat like that) (star wars) no one said it was easy

[jackeen's Missus]

:worthy: :D

Missus

[Admiral P. Brain]

thks so with a yamaha 200 v-max about 64-66mph ??
my friends went to chichester area to see it yesterday, very impressed, couple of things they noted....

hull actually a 2001 stamped on hull, although the broker seems to think its a 2002 as it wasnt used in 2001 !!
used to have a 225 honda 4stroke I believe which was swapped for the yamaha last year... so there's holes all over the transom as the mountings are different??

Throttle been moved from the console (again more holees) and put in a riduclous place dowen near the floor..... my friends would like to change this to a foot throttle...


Just seems strange that all this has been changed on a boat only 3 years old!!

yes no storage at all and they were thinking of getting some bow cushons put in ??

Broker seems to think 25k is the price this will sell and there not really any flexibilty

Does anymore know cost as new for one of these?? and what they think its worth now....

cheers....

[jackeen's Missus]

Didn't it used to be a foot throttle set up? (the holes seemed to be there)...didn't like the little marks on the console either...

We thought the price was good. The dealer's on RIBNET. (I'll pm you his contact if you like)

Missus:up:

[Admiral P. Brain]

They meet the dealer yesterday.....
Maybe I will call Neil at phantom see if I can get some info on new costs etc...
Just seems a lot for a 3 year old rib !!

[jackeen's Missus]

Originally posted by Admiral P. Brain
They meet the dealer yesterday.....
Maybe I will call Neil at phantom see if I can get some info on new costs etc...


Best idea..

Good luck,

Missus

(Respect to RIBs whipper snapper!!!!!!!!:laugh: )

[Jon Fuller]

Andy Edwards sold his 2003 Evo/225 Opti last week for 25K boat had 18 hours on whole rig from new, and was totally perfect (on trailer) I think it cost him just shy of 30K in Aug 03, new direct from Neil.

[Admiral P. Brain]

Thks JF, thats usefull info...
wonder how the yamaha 200v-max compares to the optimax 225 of honda 4 stroke 225 in terms of price , weight and performance?

Are these phantom built as tough as the hardboats? is is the same deep v hull ?

[Jon Fuller]

Is this the boat? (Demo boat at 2002 Southampton boat show)

[jackeen's Missus]

Hard to see the console (main feature...)
But it did have black rope on the tubes like that one...

Missus

[Admiral P. Brain]

I didnt see it, but I would say yes that fits the bill.....

strange to re-engine...dont you think??

[Jon Fuller]

Hull is a modified Phantom 23 hardboat hull.

And yes, the boats are very well made, and all design/build spec was done by Steve Baker/Neil Holmes, and I understand they are still built to the exact same spec.

Is the one in question red?

[jackeen's Missus]

Looks like the very one...little pop up nav light on the console & all...there was an elongated nose on the console...red/black.
Dealer was talking of putting a cut-away cushion around the 'foot-well' where the man's standing....and red ropes on the tubes to finish it off...

Missus

(Some archives you've got!!!)

[Jon Fuller]

Best pic I have of console

[jackeen's Missus]

Think I'd bet my witch's hat on it...everything seems to be in the same place...remember the well-finished fuel cap thingy as well...
Dials & gadgets as he showed them...remember the dump tank thingy as well...exact position.

Don't know if that's std console but it had a real racing-car nose. Colours look spot on...seats yep

Missus

[Admiral P. Brain]

JF that seems to be the one..... again that throttle mounting looks a little stange!!! unless youve got vety long arms!!!

just think an ex demo now 3 years old etc should be more than 3k of the list price??

do you know how many have been built etc ??

[Jon Fuller]

Just spoke to Neil, boat has had 225 Honda, then 250 OMC, then 200 Yammy, which explains all the chnges with throttles etc (omc throttles push instead of pulling) and 250 motor was mounted in centre, which explains holes in transom.

25 seems steep when 28 would get you a newan in your own choice of colours etc.
Give Neil a call on 07860 814727, he will tell you anything you need to know about used/ or new Evo's
PS. Unit on console is gear shift only, Evo's have foot throttle as standard.

[jackeen's Missus]

Have a strange feeling this was a throttle conversion....will verify with hubby later...

Think I remember holes where foot throttle should be...

Missus

[Admiral P. Brain]

will call Neil
many thanks both of you cheers
hope they buy it as I cant wait to have a go!!!
new recruits for the summer poker runs for sure!!

[jackeen's Missus]

Good luck APB & team!!!!

The dealer (in Emsworth) is going to drop it in the water in a few weeks for a run .

We'll look out for it on the water (from a safe distance)

Missus:D (Bit jealous tho')

[glen76]

i think id expect more money off an older boat like jon says 28k for a newen of your choice, my friends gettin one and ive been doing a bit of research into em, i apoligise if anyone knows better but it appears the boats that were at ribex a couple of years ago were a problem to shift as they have been knockin around as new/ex demo boats in the brokerage scene ever since.

why buy one with holes in it when you can get a new one for 3k more, remember if you buy the second hand one the broker man wants his money too which is what ur payin for, red ropes or not!

[jackeen's Missus]

:up:

Just remembered the ropes as an identifying feature...
:hugegrin:
Almost certain it had no foot throttle too..

If one is paying that kind of money makes sense to go back to the roots...and have a personalised layout...

Missus:bolt:

[Rogue Wave]

I think The Evo's are superb boats and real good Value for money.
I'd love to own one and one day I probably will!

[The gArfish]

Originally posted by Rogue Wave
I'd love to own one and one day I probably will!

yehhh butt yood probubly braik de fkin fing yew nibbur. dem fantom elovushuns mite bee wel bilt butt thay aint fkin waivnobber prufe

gArf

[termite]

yehhh butt yood probubly braik de fkin fing yew nibbur

Thank god he can't fly an airplane! :drain:

[GrahamF]

Went from Lymington to St Malo via Alderney, and then back via Jersey in three days in October 2002 on a RIB cruise (4 boats), one of which was the said Phantom Evo.

Had mixed conditions over three days, with a force 4/5 crossing back across the channel. I spent several hours in the Phantom Evo, and it was (still is) an excellent boat. Very quick, lively and responsive to drive, and very caoable in the rough. The Honda engine felt a little lethargic, and high revs.

Oh and it had a great aluminimum foot throttle, salmon controls for the forward water ballast tank, and a dash mounted joy stick control for the trip enabling adjustment with both hands on the steering wheel. Hope this is useful.

Some pictures taken in port :-

[GrahamF]

and another :-

[neil moye]

hi to all, i am the owner of the phantom and would confirm the following, the rib is a 2002 and the engine is 200 hpdi vmax new in 2003 with 4 hrs only, this rib reaches over 70mph + and is by far one of the best ribs on the market today, it is for sale at www.ribsforsale.com. to install a foot control is a very simple operation, if anybody wants further info then please email me direct or speak to jonny/jason at ribsforsale.com

[Admiral P. Brain]

Neil, there no doubt this is one of the best around, but I
Thought the rib was moulded in 2001 ?

Thats quick for 200 hp !! how come all the change of engines?

[Jon Fuller]

Dear Neil, could you please call Neil @ Phantom Evo and enlighten him on your setup, as he (builder/designer of the Evo, and seven times world champ) can only manage 68-69 mph with 225 hp, and clearly needs a little education

Neil Holmes: 07860 814727

[neil moye]

this rib is a 2002, the engine was changed from a honda 4 stroke 225 to the new 200 vmax, it should be noted that this engine is the 2.6 ltr hpdi model and yes the hours are correct at 4 hrs, there is a overall cover and spare seat cushions, there is no comparsion between this new vmax and a optimax, the vmax is in a league of its own, i have both at present!.

[Jon Fuller]

Oh right

[neil moye]

sorry not very good with tech side of things, would suggest www.yamaha.com, the rib is at ribsforsale.com, so cant remeber what prop, but jonny/jason will be able to help.

[GrahamF]

do Yamaha supply engines pre-run in ?

[Tony Davis]

Originally posted by GrahamF
do Yamaha supply engines pre-run in ?

Nicely done!:hugegrin:

Or perhaps there's another 15 mph to be found after the first service!!

You don't reckon Manos has a new alias do you?

[neil moye]

will advise after the engine has had its first service, it might break the 70.1 mph barrier ,who knows. who cares ,its quick enough for me, all said and done rib is 4sale and could be yours, of to warmer climate now , perhaps i might even bump into this character called manos!

www.ribsforsale.com

[neil moye]

i hope your hungry, and would sir like the soup to start!!!!

[Cookee]

Originally posted by neil moye
perhaps i might even bump into this character called manos!


Quite likely!

[Miceal]

I've got a 7.5 Evo with a 225 Opti (23" prop). At 5750rpm (Max. before the annoying buzzer goes off) on a flat sea it does 69mph with 2 onboard............I must be a tad porkier than Mr.Moye :-)

I've had it new since last August (50hours on it) & have yet to find any cracks etc anywhere (2 Consol screws have come loose & thats it). It has been driven hard IMHO most of the time including 2 trips Poole/Cherborg in 4/5's at cruising speed of around 50mph. I give up before the boat does with this constant pounding. So, in answer to build quality, I think its a very tough boat with a good finish.

The only fault is practicality, no anchor stowage, no A-frame to lean against when having a Jimmy & no points to secure to a pontoon as the grab handles are inboard on the tubes leaving ropes scuffing them.

That said, I bought it for what Neil built it for & not as a liesure boat. If you want to go camping out with the family & Kids get a sunseeker if not you won't go far wrong with one of these. (Unless of course you get in it with Neil piloting on a rough day without your butt plug fitted :jaw: )

Mine also came with foot throttle fitted, trim on a stick on steering wheel (Like a car indicator stick, useful when its rough) & bow tank. I believe this is the standard setup. The whole front of the boat has a removable sunpad large enough to sleep three, yes we kip on it aswell.

Need any more info? Thanks Neil I'm well pleased with it (Not just because your 8ft tall).

[Jon Fuller]

Well there ya go!, you should'a got a spamaha, more fuel efficient, smaller capacity, 25 less hp and way faster on a given boat!, I've never understood why all those wankers mess about with Mercury engines for racing when there's such a massively superior alternative.:D

Seriously though, I'm not a rib fan, but the Evo is a fab piece of work and I take my hat off to Steve and Neil (and John) for bringing it to market, and that console is gorgeous :worthy:

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by neil moye
and would sir like the soup to start!!!!

What flavour would that soup be? not bullshit I hope, Matt preferes Oxtail

[Mark Wildey]

Hey Miceal

Are we going cross the channel this year ?

As long as you slow down for me !

My boats a bit tom & dick at the mo but should be ready in a couple of weeks.

Regards

Mark

[Jon Fuller]

Wotz up wiv it?

[Mark Wildey]

JF

You spotted the problem !

I left fixing the A' frame until about a month ago and the guy, Martin you used to do the Extreme SS work, was a bit slow getting to the job.

It turned out that all four posts were snapping !

But he then turned it round in two days.

Just need the time to put all the stuff back on and wire the radar/GPS/lights etc etc back up.

Cheers

Mark

[Jon Fuller]

"Hayswood technical services" MMmmmm, we never understood the company title as there's nothing technical about welding lol

Martin's a nice fella. (as long as you're not in a rush)

PS, I'm glad I could help a ribba with his tickler

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Miceal
(Unless of course you get in it with Neil on a rough day without your butt plug fitted)

Jeez, you're brave! I'd never suggest a fella as big as Neil was a Knobjockey!:sex: :wotzhapni

[Mark Wildey]

JF

I reckon one more trip in the rough would have seen the whole lot over the side.

I owe you a cup of tea sometime

Thanks

Mark

[Jon Fuller]

You wouldn't post that on FIBnet for me would ya? :D :bang: (I invisage Mike G, Chuck, Depsol and the rest of em punching the wall in the garden in rage) :well:

[Miceal]

Jon- The Console is as you discribe the only thing Neil missed was to fit a Toilet roll holder if you know what I mean.

Mark- Love a trip to France, mail me when your ready. I've not forgotten your drink by the way.

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Miceal
Mark- I've not forgotten your drink problem by the way.

pray tell!

[JamesM]

Originally posted by Miceal
Jon- The Console is as you discribe the only thing Neil missed was to fit a Toilet roll holder if you know what I mean.

Don't get me wrong, it is a nice console/dash board thingy, but CD, DVD, PS2, VCR, widescreen, 5.1, cup holders, hands free phone kit I mean geeze come on get it sorted!!! ;p;

No arm rests either I noticed and are those seats recliners, I think not!!!

;)

[PHANTOM EVOLUTION]

Just looked at your order Miceal ,nop no toilet roll holder on it.if this is now something you wish im sure we could fit one for you .
(after the BBQ that im going to take you up on this year) as for the speed of the 7.5 ribs we only claim +65 mph with a 225hp mercury opti (most get to 68/69 mph) the 4 stroke engines seem to be running about 64/65 ish and the 225 ho omc runs over 70 mph ,the boats can be driven by the average man/woman boater and still perform very well ,but the more confident you are and more time you have in them ,you will get a lot more back out of the boat. iv yet to take Miceal out in his but by now he will be teaching me a thing or too (maybe) as for the rough water/sea keeping aspect of the boat,im sure peoples big work boat type ribs that go out into big seas ,must be very good ,and im sure if i was out in a evo in open seas i would do my best to try and keep up with your offshore rough water ribs you have (dont go to fast i get a bit frightend in the big waves ) but il have a go ,

[JamesM]

Originally posted by PHANTOM EVOLUTION
(after the BBQ that im going to take you up on this year)

A BBQ, why didnt I think of that, you should have one of them in yer boat too!!!

;p;