Trim tabs

[Taz]

Right a question for people in the know i can not trim my engine up because its to unstable i fought of buying or riviting some bigger trim tabs on hopefully allowing me to trim up. Does anybody know if this will help?

My trim tabs are about 12" long and 4" wide im thinking of 20" long and 8" wide :)

[Captain Chaos]

Cyes prob ya man for that

[Jon Fuller]

buy the cat

[Taz]

Originally posted by Johnson
buy the cat

Do you think its a better suited boat then?

[Captain Chaos]

Dont mess with the FOOLer when he starts talking like that.

I got a PM from him on a tuesday:

"Loz, stop fkin about and Buy the P21"

wedenesday @ 3pm I had a £4000 deposit on one.

He knows his stuff.........many many many many years of experience.

+plus, come the summer; if us SX boyz arent happy with our boats, we can take a trip down the thames and duff-up the ginger tossppot!

stil,aint got a name for mine though!

[Captain Chaos]

should also mention one other point.

Jon did give me the best ever pievce of advise.

always buy new (or as close as you can afford to). Its a much nicer experience and i'm quite surewill save lots of frustration on the few sunny days we get on the blackwater when old toot keeps fkin-up.

thats why i havent got an engine yet!

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos
stil,aint got a name for mine though!

'Pink Oboe'

[Captain Chaos]

why

[Captain Chaos]

my shortlist is over 50 long and i think they are all embarassing

[Louise]

Captain's Log? :D

[Captain Chaos]

well, its better than some of mine

[Louise]

OK. How about you choose the best 10 and set up a poll then we can all vote. Go on - you know it makes sense. ;)

[Burty]

dude these are the tabs Cyco has just made for me.
i think they are about 600mm long and 250mm wide but he can tell you more.
have you checked the bushes in your mid section?

[Captain Chaos]

another fine job

[JamesM]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos
Dont mess with the FOOLer when he starts talking like that.

I got a PM from him on a tuesday:

"Loz, stop fkin about and Buy the P21"

wedenesday @ 3pm I had a £4000 deposit on one.



:jaw: He has the same 'make you spend lots of money' super power that Cye has!!!!

[Jon Fuller]

Are those tabs 'Victory'?

[Burty]

The boat originally had bennett tabs. Cye just removed them and designed his own but still using the Bennett rams. Look good dont they:cool:

[JamesM]

I need a name for my white boat too I was thinking of 'Touching Cloth' :D

Not really though :D

[Captain Chaos]

Originally posted by Johnny Boat Dude
:jaw: He has the same 'make you spend lots of money' super power that Cye has!!!!

yes..................the latest one is buy a new engine!

You gotta hand it to them though......they've both got superb boats....so they aint hot-air.

Like me:D

[JamesM]

You post your list and I'll post mine :)

[Captain Chaos]

Those types of names are all very catchy but i feel i'd get bored of it very quickly.......and i'n too supersticous to change it.

So far i've had:

"Dreamweaver"
"Chaos Theory"
"Phasmatis"
"Crimsonic"
"Vanishing Point"
"Temptress"
"Bankrupt"

to name but a few

[Burty]

well go on then
tell us

[Burty]

and you list yours Johnny

[Burty]

all names sound crap until you see them on a cool boat however cant think of any at mo
help me out johnny

[JamesM]

Names are a funny thing!!! They all sound crap untill you see a name on the side of a big ass mental looking power boat. It then becomes a cool name because you associate it in your head with said cool looking mega boat. Even if really its a cack name :) Tell me I'm wrong!!! :D

[Burty]

Dude bit slow on your post. check above
:D

[Burty]

Cap't,
me and johnny will sort the crap from the cool but cheesy.:D

[JamesM]

Originally posted by Burty
all names sound crap until you see them on a cool boat however cant think of any at mo
help me out johnny

Dude I told you that and you only beat me too it cause I worded it nicer than you!!! :D

[Captain Chaos]

sorry, ammended post above

[JamesM]

Lets do cheesy first shall we!!!

A-Salt Weapon
Ultimate Ride
The Ultimate High
Distant Rumble :D
Total Insanity
Vanashing Point

[Burty]

Its ok i have edited mine too
:D

[JamesM]

'Chaos Engine' dude

[Burty]

Crimsonic sounds cool
whata you think johnny

[JamesM]

nuh thats sound crap

one more post for me though, yay :D

[JamesM]

i meant chaos engine sounds crap

[Burty]

Loads of boats have the same name too so you need to think of something original

[JamesM]

Jon you should maybe think about a real time chat room :)

[Burty]

Should have bought a bright yellow one and then you could have valled it Top Banana:D

[JamesM]

that was my idea too FFS

[JamesM]

My boats red and its called RedDevil so if your boats white maybe you could call it 'White Fairy' :D

[Burty]

whats FFS?

[Burty]

Its ok i got it now.

[JamesM]

For ____ Sake

[JamesM]

I'm posting like a SoB :D

[JamesM]

Wish I could drive my boat this fast lol

[Jon Fuller]

here's the victory tabs that I thought they were

http://www.martiniboatmarinedesign.com/victory.htm

[Captain Chaos]

Yeh I'm quite into names like crimsonic......its a blend of Crimson (i.e red) and sonic (i.e speed of sound).

but all in all is a unique nothing word

[JamesM]

wow, they are similar aren't they!!!

Obviosley great minds think alike!!!

[Burty]

they look just like em
i haven't seen them before. most of the boats i've seen have bennetts on them
Cye originally just made the tabs but then decieded that it would look much better if the rams looked all one piece i.e the black plates on the boat.
he was right:worthy:

[Jon Fuller]

So c'mon, how much have you spent on this boat, or are you afraid to post it in case ya missus sees it :lol:lol:

[Burty]

Dunno yet Cye hasn't given me the bill, but i'm not looking forward to it.:aaahhh:

[Burty]

It only started off as a bit of a tidy up.:D
Whats worring me is i know roughly how much Johnnys total bill was from Cye and i feel i will be visiting the bank because i've had more done than him:(

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Burty
It only started off as a bit of a tidy up.:D

That's how it always starts!
Originally posted by Burty
i feel i will be visiting the bank

Wiv a shooter? :lol:lol:

[Burty]

So come on Johnny tell all the good people on here how roughly how much your bill was from Cyco and what bits you got.
i.e seats
transom plate
rex goodies
jack plate
etc

[JamesM]

See money is a funny thing, its all relative and erm....................

:D

[JamesM]

Thing with boats is you go to take something off with every intention of fitting it back on and its breaks cause of the corrosion so you have to get a new one and so on and so on and so on!!!

[Captain Chaos]

so how ****in much cockbiscuit!

[Jon Fuller]

More than his wife knows about by the sound of it

[JamesM]

Originally posted by Burty
So come on Johnny tell all the good people on here how roughly how much your bill was from Cyco and what bits you got.
i.e seats
transom plate
rex goodies
jack plate
etc

Steering
Brucato PCU
Intake spacer
Fuel tank
Dash plates
Foot throttle
Foot rests
Battery tray
Anchor pot
Fuel pump holder
Gauges
Trim tab pump
Lots of lil fitings and stuff
Labour

Theres probably more that I cant remember right now too.

Still I'm all paid up. For now :D

[Jon Fuller]

nite-nite

[JamesM]

Originally posted by Johnson
More than his wife knows about by the sound of it

Not maried, if I was I wouldnt be able to afford all this crap on my wage. :D

[Captain Chaos]

Originally posted by Johnny Boat Dude
Steering
Brucato PCU
Intake spacer
Fuel tank
Dash plates
Foot throttle
Foot rests
Battery tray
Anchor pot
Fuel pump holder
Gauges
Trim tab pump
Lots of lil fitings and stuff
Labour

Theres probably more that I cant remember right now too.

Still I'm all paid up. For now :D

what pump do you have? was the brucato worth it?

[JamesM]

Bennet trim tab pump if thats what you mean and I Dunno I havent fitted it yet, but they're suposed to wicked :D if you set em up right. Need to get some pyro's to do that, more expense!!!

[Captain Chaos]

I meant fuel pump sorry.

mate, got to dash a get some zzzzz'sss i'll continue this in the morning.

[JamesM]

The brucato is programmed with a standard A5 map at the moment, Its a really nice piece of kit.

Bennet trim tab pumps seem to be very good and resonably priced. Cye has them in his boat one for each tab as they're big heavey tabs with big rams.

[JamesM]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos
I meant fuel pump sorry.

mate, got to dash a get some zzzzz'sss i'll continue this in the morning.

oops, its just a Bosch jobby dunno the exact details but Cye has one instock if you need it and he makes really nice powder coated billet holders too. I think its about 120 for the pump and the holders come in at about 70, not cheap but they are really nice.

[Taz]

Burty can you get me so of those made up? i have the rams. And where you get that lift bracket from?

[JamesM]

If you want the tabs dude PM Cyco (Cye). As for the Powerlift once again contact Cye he has an account with the manufacturers CMC. I believe they dont sell direct. Unfortunatly I think the ally version Burty has wont be upto lifting your motor you may need the stainless version and they are over twice the price of the ally one.

[Too Old]

I question retro fitting the Bennett tabs. The weak points are the rams and the pump. The pump is attached with screws through plastic eyes which sooner or later fail in rough water use. I've seen more Bennett pumps laying in the bottom of the bilge than I care to remember.

They're fine for small boats and smooth water. In the rough, they just don't hold up.

[Jon Fuller]

SWEET!

Is 'Trick Marine' your company too old?

[Too Old]

Originally posted by Johnson
SWEET!

Is 'Trick Marine' your company too old?

Yes it is. Sort of a second childhood with lots of toys.:D

[Jon Fuller]

I don't see any trim tabs on that Sutphen pic! :seaman:

[Too Old]

You're right. I'm trying to decide which tabs to use. I think these 28" purples will do the trick......

[Ben]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Too Old
[B]I question retro fitting the Bennett tabs. The weak points are the rams and the pump.

We had Bennet Sport Tabs on our second Velocity 26.

We left Portsmouth Harbour and cruised over to Osbourne Bay. Typical Solent chop, nothing special.

When we stopped I saw the most interesting oil slick surrounding the boat. One of those nice plastic Bennet rams was MIA.

[Captain Chaos]

That Kit is Suuuuuuuppppperrrb

not that i've ever had any, but on looks alone i best start saving!

[Dan]

Just out of interest. This is one of the tabs that we make that end up going on the arse end of various boats. Made from stainless, looks a bit of a mess until we get it electropolished. For the size of the hull they go on the actual tabs (IMHO) seems pretty small. Although the hinges that work them are bloody massive.:cheers:

[Jon Fuller]

How much are those tabs too old?

Also, what's ya real name?


Dan, I adjusted your image

[Dan]

Johnson, are you talking to me?
Thanks for adjusting the image, me and posting pictures dont ever run smoothly.
:cheers:

[Jon Fuller]

Dan, I made your adjustments ;)

[JamesM]

How about the Lenco tabs with electric actualtors?

http://www.lencomarine.com/index.html

Anyone tried them?

[Jon Fuller]

Never much fancied electric motors emersed in salt water, feel it's bound to get in somewhere and f*** things up.

[JamesM]

You say that but I've submerged the whole back end of my boat, outboard motor the lot right up to the back padding just in front of the splash well or so I was told by my observer :D

I'll see if I can get some photos next time :bang:

[Too Old]

Originally posted by Big Johnson
How much are those tabs too old?

Also, what's ya real name?


Dan, I adjusted your image

Real name is Fred Cecil

The 23" Tab Kits are $2195 complete with Oildyne pumps, mounting hardware and hoses. The 28" are $100 more. They're also available with out pumps etc for guys that need to repalace K-planes that have been damaged. The bolt pattern is the same.Tabs and rams start at $1795.

I'm not visiting the forum to sell product though. I'm here because I love performance boats and boating.

[Jon Fuller]

Thanks Fred!
They are a beautiful piece of work!

And for the record, It makes no difference to me if you're here to promote 'Trick Marine', or not, so why not put a load of pics in the wanted/for sale section, and a link to your company.

jf


PS. what is the width at the root?..could you post a tech drawing of the exact size showing the amount of offset on the inner edge.

Also, the shape/size of the transom bracket and it's fixings (wana know if they would fit my fanny, which is very narrow, and has a busy transom, to say the least)

ta

[Captain Chaos]

You tempted then Jon?

why dont we get class like that over here

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos
why dont we get class like that over here

We do, you just gotta buy em from someone like Fred:lol:lol:

[Tony Davis]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos
You tempted then Jon?


I wouldn't be suprised if he was, but can I be the one to tell Angela, please please please!!!!!!!!:aaahhh:

[Jon Fuller]

:hugegrin:

Just remember Davis, I have more, far more compromising pitures of you :laugh:

[Captain Chaos]

If they're explicit.....i want them posted!

TD, how much i got to send you?

[Jono]

I love those trim tabs... but I ain't too sure about the colour scheme for the transom....

[Jon Fuller]

They're gorge aint they! but yey, I'd have blick meself.

I reckon that's a pretty cool price too.

[Captain Chaos]

Get yella

[JamesM]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4504321199&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWN%3AMT%3A1

Not long left to run on this one so you'll have to be quick!!!

[Jon Fuller]

The rams are Stainless I think!

White, Blick n Stainless are a classy combo.

[Captain Chaos]

2nd thoughts, get all black..................it'll save a lot of cleaning :drain:

[Jon Fuller]

cheeky git!

[Captain Chaos]

:no:

[Jon Fuller]

Must remember to take you skiing behind my boat, with a nice short tow!..Mr Jolson

[Captain Chaos]

I'll take you up on that come the warmer weather.

will twin 325's be enough to get me up?

I'll bring some aviators to keep the solid lumps of coke from hitting me eyes

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos
will twin 325's be enough to get me up?

They're engines, not blood pumps, you dirty boy!

[Captain Chaos]

sorry been surfin filth sites @ work again:)

[Jon Fuller]

OK, we'll leave it this time, but next time it'll be the "genital cuff" for you! :drool:

[Too Old]

Originally posted by Johnny Boat Dude
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4504321199&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWN%3AMT%3A1

Not long left to run on this one so you'll have to be quick!!!

Funny you brought that link up. That was me selling those tabs on ebay. I just listed another set last night. Those are made by one of my suppliers, Dana Marine Products. They're a nice tab, but a smaller, lighter style than the tabs I manufacture. I have about twenty sets of them that are going to go cheap! $1250 to $1450 complete with all hardware, hoses and pumps. You can see them at: www.livorsi.com. Mike decided to stop selling tabs and I bought his entire inventory.

[Too Old]

While we're discussing tabs have you ever seen any of the Keith Eickert Tabs that were produced? They only made a few sets prior to reliazing that the production costs were so high that the tabs would have to sell for over $5000. I bought some up when they decided to scrap the project. Just sent a set to Bermuda and have contemplated keeping the last set for my Sutphen.....

[Too Old]

The bottom of the tab is stepped. I'm told they were cut on a seven axis machine......

[Louise]

How does the stepped design work? Is it the same principle as a stepped hull? P.S. Please forgive my ignorance - I'm a learner!

[Too Old]

Originally posted by Mrs Nobber
How does the stepped design work? Is it the same principle as a stepped hull? P.S. Please forgive my ignorance - I'm a learner!

I'm far from an engineer, so I can't answer your question based on theory.

In my somewhat worthless opinion, I doubt the steps accomplish anything. It's my guess that they were added as a marketing tool. The tabs themselves may be some of the nicest ever made. But, I think the steps were added to differentiate the tabs from the hordes of others on the market.

I believe the boat would behave esentially the same or without the steps on the tab.

Any engineer types want to tell me why I'm wrong???:D

[Jon Fuller]

Nope!

I do believe that having the underside of the tab 'foil' shaped, ie, curved down toward the trailing edge, almost like a boat hull with a 'Hook' in it, is said to be far more efficient at lifting the chosen corner of the boat. Much more lift for less tab degrees down, and thus more lift for less drag.

But hard to produce.

Fred, what is the triple rig boat in that pic?

[Captain Chaos]

I'd love to see all of it

[Too Old]

Originally posted by Big Johnson
Nope!

I do believe that having the underside of the tab 'foil' shaped, ie, curved down toward the trailing edge, almost like a boat hull with a 'Hook' in it, is said to be far more efficient at lifting the chosen corner of the boat. Much more lift for less tab degrees down, and thus more lift for less drag.

But hard to produce.

Fred, what is the triple rig boat in that pic?

Outerlimits.

Those are some huge headers sticking out the back of that transom. I believe they're a full 5".

I'll see if I have some other photos.

[Jon Fuller]

My old 'Oil Burners' have 5" tips

[Jon Fuller]

Talking of pics Fred, why don't youemail me a dozen or so pics of the Sutphen, and I'll put em in the 'readers rides gallery'.

That'll be king of the hill in this gallery for sure ;)

In fact, I'd like to get a whole load more boats featured in the gallery section of the main site.

So, Matt, where's ya pics?

Mrs Nobber,

R-don,

Simon Johnston,

Chris,

All the fkkn racers,

and loads I can't think of at the minute.

C'mon boys (& galls) let's have some pics!

[Jon Fuller]

Well we'd better get on with it then you streak of piss! ...can't procrastinate any longer.

[DAVE]

Hi Matt, if you mean me, then go ahead. Would be good to see some pics of "Rumbles" again.

I do miss her a bit, but not the fuel bills. :seaman:

[Ben]

Originally posted by Jonny
My old 'Oil Burners' have 5" tips

My wife assures me that 4" is adequate (if not the most desirable) for my old oil burner.

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Ben
My wife assures me that 4" is adequate

There ya go Simon, there's hope for ya yet

[Louise]

Originally posted by Jonny
In fact, I'd like to get a whole load more boats featured in the gallery section of the main site.
where's ya pics?

Mrs Nobber,


:worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

Ooo! Didn't think you'd allow a toobed boat on there! (Yeah, I know there's a Phantom Evo but I thought that got past the censors by being a Phantom :D )

Well if you're being serious, there are quite a few to choose from in the 'Gallery' section of our website: www.blue-ice.me.uk but beware of pictures of certain 'celebrities'. :sick: :puker: Must get round to updating our site - gotta junk a load of piccies as well as adding some nice new ones! ;) Can you lift some piccies from there or do you want me to go through them and send some to you or Matt? If so, what format and how? Or were you just teasing me? :(

Edit: Should there be a separate thread for this?

[Jon Fuller]

It's best if you choose the ones you want featured, as long as they're 500+ pixels wide they'll be OK the way I've been doing it, but Matt may have other ideas, so, Nobba, if you see this, let us know what pic format/size you want.

the general rule is a dozen pics per member for the RRG, so pic your fave 12.

[Too Old]

Originally posted by Jonny
My old 'Oil Burners' have 5" tips

Does it have 5" exhaust too? What do you run for exhaust.

I see you have IMCO steering. Does someone sell that in the UK?

[Jon Fuller]

Yes, the exhaust outlets from the turbos are 5", there's probably only a distance of about 12-14" from the mouth of the turbo, to the tip, which has mechanical flappers built in (I bought the actual tips from Stainless Marine, and copied their flapper system which they only offered on the 4" tips, using S/S hinges and carbon fibre flaps).


Tony Davis, (member on this forum) is a sportsboat builder over here, he is 'Extreme Marine'.
He and I raced his boats for a couple of years in offshore. He is an OEM dealer for IMCO.

jf

[simon johnston]

Originally posted by Jonny
Are those tabs 'Victory'? .................. NO ........''SUB-MARINA''...... :D