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Any ideas? (not Jonny or TD)
:confused: "cigarette cafe racer"????
Louise
22-12-2004, 03:49 PM
It's a boat! What do I win? :D
Originally posted by Mrs Nobber
It's a boat! What do I win? :D
A years supply of "cillit bang!":hugegrin:
Gav 71: No
Mrs. Nobber: Yes but we need to be a bit more specific.
Cillit Bang would be an impressive prize but I'm sure there's something more worthwhile. The George Forman grill perhaps or the 'new' Cliff Richard Christmas CD.
Louise
22-12-2004, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Ben
Cillit Bang would be an impressive prize but I'm sure there's something more worthwhile. The George Forman grill perhaps or the 'new' Cliff Richard Christmas CD.
Hey are you Father Christmas? Sounds like you've been reading my Christmas wish list. :D
OK as the prize is so good I'll put a bit more effort in. It's a big white boat with a pointed bow and 500 written on it in big letters. Sorry - I meant to say numerals. Is that specific enough for you? :banana:
Much to my chagrin Mrs. Nobber, you are close to being eliminated from the competition as you have made the assumption that the boat is big. It isn't as it measures only 23'.
If it is of any help at all, the owner at the time that the boat first raced in the mid 60's might have preferred a shandy (or a magnum of champagne) but his Lordship that raced at the time with him would not have heard of it. He would have rather disappeared. Then again, it might have been a good formula for an escape into oblivion.
Louise
22-12-2004, 04:27 PM
Lord Lucan and his boat 'White Migrant'.
Dam'n your'e good considering you had the answer before I did my last post with the various hints.
The boat 'Ultmatum' is now down in Littlehampton and looking a bit sad - a fate given its heritage it doesn't deserve. I'm sure it could be bought for not a lot of money. Tony Dowley installed a new engine and drive in 94 and it has probably done 10 hours since then.
It is a piece of powerboating history just waiting to be ressurected.
So the boat was called ultimatum, but what make?
Ultimatum was (is) a Magnum.
It does get confusing with the Aronow stuff. It probably should have been a Formula.
ive been searching for that bloody boat for ages, the second name i typed into google was a fkkin formula, but didnt come up with anything! Oh Bo**ocks!!!!!
I,m not playing anymore......................
Anyways, i,m far far too young to know anything about this lordy lucan............:cry: :cry:
:wotzhapni
Originally posted by Matt
Formula.
fekkin liar!:no:
I bid you all good night:snooz: :bolt:
Jon Fuller
22-12-2004, 05:45 PM
I spoke only a couple of days ago with Tony Dowley about that boat, and said he should throw some of his money at it and have a nice piece of racing history restored to it's original look.
Jon Fuller
23-12-2004, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by Gav71
I bid you all good night:snooz: :bolt:
Poof!...no staying power these wipper-snappers:wank:
Originally posted by Matt
Is it correct that lucan also raced a Formula?
Yep. The Magnum belonged to Bill Shand-Kydd.
Originally posted by Jonny
Poof!...no staying power these wipper-snappers:wank:
:three: = :snooz: = :hump: = :sperm: = :devil:
Yr "fuller" shit :asshole:
:wave:
Jon Fuller
23-12-2004, 04:06 AM
Ah, so you've visited www.realdoll.com then?
Rogue Wave
23-12-2004, 12:55 PM
did you buy one of them after all!
Miss Pinky only 45.95 boy give her a try!
Who sang that then.
Originally posted by Borldscratcher
did you buy one of them after all!
Miss Pinky only 45.95 boy give her a try!
Who sang that then.
do they do a ginger version??:drain:
perish the thought:sick:
Jon Fuller
24-12-2004, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by Borldscratcher
Miss Pinky only 45.95 boy give her a try!
Who sang that then.
Dunno....
Shirley Temple?
LorenZo
29-12-2004, 11:52 AM
Next Starter for 10 -
Hi Ben - firstly sorry ya going back stateside hope you have a great time and as other thread stay in touch I know fine words from me - plus did Lucky Lucan have a later O/B boat - 26ft stand up arrangement - think I had a ride in it around 1976 as a kid
Jon Fuller
29-12-2004, 12:27 PM
London to Monte-Carlo?
LorenZo
29-12-2004, 12:57 PM
Nope!
LorenZo
31-12-2004, 10:59 AM
Ok here is a clue: Miss Britain IV & HTS II both held the same speed record at different times - ok slightly different in the design and speed and location and year - same basic engine though.
Jon Fuller
31-12-2004, 11:25 AM
Well, I know about Chris Kaye's boat, and what it did, and have heard of HTS, but thought it was just another offshore boat, in fact, I thought it was 'Apache', in another life! :dizzy:
Originally posted by LoZer
Next Starter for 10 -
Hi Ben - firstly sorry ya going back stateside hope you have a great time and as other thread stay in touch I know fine words from me - plus did Lucky Lucan have a later O/B boat - 26ft stand up arrangement - think I had a ride in it around 1976 as a kid
I would have thought London-Monte Carlo (with your Dad winning in 'HTS') also so I guess I have no idea.
'Ultimatum' was originally shaft powered and it had stand up bolsters. It was then was converted to outboards and when Tony Dowley bought it, it became a stern drive 'sit down' boat so very possibly it was the boat you rode in.
Jon Fuller
01-01-2005, 02:13 AM
Jeez!..stand up!, in 'Ultimatum'! that boat wasn't blessed with huge amounts of freeboard, the occupants must have stuck out in a very exposed way, don't think I'm brave enough for that.
Jon Fuller
01-01-2005, 02:16 AM
Originally posted by Ben
I would have thought London-Monte Carlo (with your Dad winning in 'HTS') also so I guess I have no idea.
I guess the clue is that it's 'HTS II', not the original 'HTS', which must have been Mike B' original 'London-Montecarlo' winning boat.
C'mon Lozza, spill ya beans.
LorenZo
01-01-2005, 04:26 AM
Ok - had a couple of bevies last night so might be slow but here goes - as for accuracy?
HTS II was a 28ft Souter powered by twin Sabres on Merc Drives - not sure which mark (III?). The really scary part was first they tried using push buttons linked to something like a trim pump for the steering. Sure enough it did not react very quickly and was soon changed to a std helm. When still boat was v-stern down so plus there was little freeboard at the stern due to the weight of then Dagenhams finest in the stern.
The boat was this is from my memory so probably not 100% was built for racing to then Class II Cruiser regs which required 6ft head room and bunks plus kitchen utencils inc a cooker (camping stove) - Hence a big buldge ahead of the crew.
The boat was so narrow and engines fitted so tight to do any service they had to remove the engines - 275Hp Sabres.
The boat got the Diesel World Speed record in either 73 or 74 at just over 68mph - have no idea who held it before. Fairly radical vs a Fairy Huntsman at the time.
After the colapse of HTS the boat was sold on. Eventually arriving back at my Dads then yard in Lancing where a dubious (Westlake) Big Block on a Carb was subsituted for who have no idea. Rigged by a bloke from NZ who lived for a year in a Transit camper van, in the yard, complete with wife & kids (bizar way of seeing Europe), what happened next to the boat have no idea.
Jon Fuller
01-01-2005, 04:47 AM
Loz,
Near 70 is a pretty cool speed from twin 275's back then, especially when you consider what it must have weighed, and the losses through a speedmaster/transmission!
Any idea of the all-up weight?
PS. which boat was it that went to Monte Carlo then?
LorenZo
01-01-2005, 04:50 AM
Originally posted by Ben
I would have thought London-Monte Carlo (with your Dad winning in 'HTS') also so I guess I have no idea.
'Ultimatum' was originally shaft powered and it had stand up bolsters. It was then was converted to outboards and when Tony Dowley bought it, it became a stern drive 'sit down' boat so very possibly it was the boat you rode in.
Hi Ben,
Thanks for the info the boad did look strngely familiar but when I saw it it had o/bs think early OMC V6s and not I/b. I saw when as a kid on holiday in the sarf of france think was owned by a sarf london car dealer (had no hair). Plus the boat I think was light blue with wight top-sides.
LorenZo
01-01-2005, 05:04 AM
Jon,
Will find out the weight. The 68mph is from one of those Windermere certificates on the wall at mi ma and pa's place. Everything was very light and small (you can see the engine mount reinforcements on the outside of the hull). I'll get some info on it.
The London-Monte-Carlo (1972) boat was HTS I the 33ft Souter. Now resident as Apache at the Pitsea Powerboat Museum. Think still got up to 56mph with 250s on shafts, reinforced with a couple of trees.
Have a selection of scanned photos which got used at a Ford event a couple of years ago. Plus some photos of Fairy's from the round Britain in 68 (now 37 years ago) that Hendy Lennox sent me.
LorenZo
01-01-2005, 05:36 AM
Photo showing the 6ft high "Cabin"
Jon Fuller
01-01-2005, 05:53 AM
Loza, that's cool! we're gonna be working on a more interesting 'Main site', hopefully with a informative gallery, so any interesting pics you have would be cool.
If you have any at higher resolution (1024x768) that would be trific!
LorenZo
01-01-2005, 06:25 AM
Ok great. Plus will look for some more recent Class III say pre Keith Slater ones.
Plus would like to come along to the Video Night next Saturday are there tickets still avaiable + will there be ice creams during the interval.
Jon Fuller
01-01-2005, 06:57 AM
Originally posted by LoZer
Plus would like to come along to the Video Night next Saturday are there tickets still avaiable + will there be ice creams during the interval.
Tickets are highly sought after, but I'm sure we can squeeze you in, Is it just you, or will you have company?
I'm sure Angela will make a great ice cream lady.
Jon Fuller
01-01-2005, 08:06 AM
Dunno, is it a Bertram?
Jon Fuller
01-01-2005, 09:07 AM
Clues?...
Tony Davis
01-01-2005, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by Jonny
Is it just you, or will you have company?
Perhaps his sister would like to come?:hugegrin:
Jon Fuller
01-01-2005, 09:25 AM
steady!
Tony Davis
01-01-2005, 09:28 AM
Or go!
Boat's name was Canadian Moppie.
Jon Fuller
01-01-2005, 10:40 AM
Tim powel.
I had to cheat tho', looked in 'Searace'
Jon Fuller
01-01-2005, 10:43 AM
just watching the famous 4 hour compilation of CTC videos, and it shows Ultimatum 500, being driven by James Tangey.
Referring to 'Searace' isn't cheating, it's legitimate research. At least that's how I justify my usage of it.
I'd love to see the 'Ultimatum segment on the video, I've never seen any footage of the boat.
Picture of Tim Powell taken around the time he was racing 'Canadian Moppie'.
Jon Fuller
01-01-2005, 11:58 AM
Jeez, time's been unkind to poor old Tim. :lol:lol:
Sadly, the bit in my video only shows 'Ultimatum' broken down, with the engine hatch up.
However, this video, that I think belongs to Ray Bulman, has 4 hours of the worst quality TV recorded C-T-C coverage you can imagine, kinda like a 50th generation blue movie quality, but it is quite unique.
I have run off a few DVD copies, so if you have a player that'll play a DVD-R, or your PC will suffice, I'll post you a copy if you like.
Jon Fuller
01-01-2005, 12:07 PM
pm me your address
That would be great if you could. Thanks.
And speaking of stand-up bolsters in a low freeboard boat -
Jon Fuller
01-01-2005, 12:10 PM
...crazy, that boat features in the video too.
It covers many years of the race from '61 to 80 summat. (with typically cheesy English commentary)
LorenZo
02-01-2005, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by Jonny
Tickets are highly sought after, but I'm sure we can squeeze you in, Is it just you, or will you have company?
I'm sure Angela will make a great ice cream lady.
It will be just me - call me Billy.
Mi Sis's idea of boats is more into Rubbadubbas right now - stuff for 1yr olds - I will check. http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/funandgames/rubbadubbers.shtml
kiwiracer
05-01-2005, 07:02 AM
is that powered by 4 x 150hp in line sixes?
how nostalgic
The year was 1972.
According to the caption with the pic. the engines were 140s.
Any idea of the make of boat?
More quad Mercs. Must have been a 70s thing.
kiwiracer
05-01-2005, 09:25 PM
makes me wonder how they held the gearboxes together riding on the props like that.
its hard enough keeping the sportsmasters running 100% on my 2 x 280EFI's
Jon Fuller
06-01-2005, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by kiwiracer
its hard enough keeping the sportsmasters running 100% on my 2 x 280EFI's
That's half the reason, the very best those in line 6's would have been is 135hp (propshaft)
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