Race Boats

[Gav]

IF there was an additional race class, what in your opinion would it be? i.e what size raceboat and what HP rating??

:wink:

[roofer]

how about 18 foot and unlimited outboard hp :D

[JBP]

Originally posted by Gav
IF there was an additional race class, what in your opinion would it be? i.e what size raceboat and what HP rating??

:wink:

Afordable & available or you got to have good sponsor and suppliers, but thenI know you could supply a superb 14' so half way there me thinks

[Gav]

Originally posted by roofer
how about 18 foot and unlimited outboard hp :D

ok but thats not much different to most boats of that size anyway? how big an O/B can you go? 300? on 18'?:aaahhh:

[Gav]

Originally posted by JBP
Afordable & available

You have hit the nail on the head! A lot more newcomers would come into the sport if it was made more "afordable ", i wonder where all the Big boys started?

[Gav]

what i'm trying to get at is ,

i would love to have a go at racing

BUT

the only thing i can do at age 33 is plunge straight into OCR , thats after splashing out on a rig! and to be perfectly honest i would find it a bit daunting...............

[roofer]

gav id love to race my boat but im not going to drop down to a 2 litre outboard to do it, and seeing how most northern racer's run 2.5 engines they wont drop down either,anyway there's talk up here of starting our own race series up.

[Gav]

Originally posted by roofer
gav id love to race my boat but im not going to drop down to a 2 litre outboard to do it, and seeing how most northern racer's run 2.5 engines they wont drop down either,anyway there's talk up here of starting our own race series up.


Sorry dont see your logic in that roofer:confused: If you had a passion to race surely you would sacrifice the power so as you could enter?

[roofer]

gav you arent to far away from me you could join barrow powerboat club and come racing with us,15 races this year plus social side,and you could race your own boat. i think there's over 30 boats entered so far.if your interested pm me and i'll send you some info.

[roofer]

sorry gav should have said i would love to race in ocr but limit is 2 litre.

[Ian]

So to make it more affordable the equipment has to be readily available and once you've got the equipment, you shouldn't be able to modify it except to certain criteria.

You'll allways get someone who is prepared to spend as much as possible in order to win but if the regulations are tight it restricts what can be done.

E.g.
Class 1 Any monohull 13-14ft built between 1980-2005 of which a minimum 25 were built. Any engine up to 70h.p. built between same dates from the following manufacturers: Merc, Yam, Suz, Evin, etc.

Class 2 As above 14-15ft up to 90hp

Class 3 As above 15-17ft up to 140hp

No modifications allowed except for mandatory safety mods, std pitch props etc.

You could have a 'one make' championship running alongside at the same time and / or a Phantom/Ring Championship.

Just thoughts................

[Ian]

Originally posted by roofer
gav you arent to far away from me you could join barrow powerboat club and come racing with us,15 races this year plus social side,and you could race your own boat. i think there's over 30 boats entered so far.if your interested pm me and i'll send you some info.

Roofer, is there a web-site related to Barrow powerboat racing, is it class structured, pictures anywhere etc.

[roofer]

at the moment the racing is still on windermere until speed ban comes in and then racing transfers to ramsden dock in barrow.website not up and running yet

[Ian]

Originally posted by roofer
at the moment the racing is still on windermere until speed ban comes in and then racing transfers to ramsden dock in barrow.website not up and running yet

Are all the boats Phantoms, Rings etc with big power.

[JBP]

Originally posted by Ian
So to make it more affordable the equipment has to be readily available and once you've got the equipment, you shouldn't be able to modify it except to certain criteria.

You'll allways get someone who is prepared to spend as much as possible in order to win but if the regulations are tight it restricts what can be done.

E.g.
Class 1 Any monohull 13-14ft built between 1980-2005 of which a minimum 25 were built. Any engine up to 70h.p. built between same dates from the following manufacturers: Merc, Yam, Suz, Evin, etc.

Class 2 As above 14-15ft up to 90hp

Class 3 As above 15-17ft up to 140hp

No modifications allowed except for mandatory safety mods, std pitch props etc.

You could have a 'one make' championship running alongside at the same time and / or a Phantom/Ring Championship.

Just thoughts................

Sort of thing we do with the KCLASS

K200 12' sorcerer 20hp merc 2stroke age 8-12
K400 14' fletcher 40hp Yam 4 stroke age 12-15
K1000 16' phantom 60hp merc 4 stroke age 15-30

Most new 1 class racing work on 'new boat/engine' package with only a few just starting to come on the market as secondhand but the cheapest is zap/thundercat, wet & wild!!

Of course unless you got a good insurance broker you have to go to the RYA to run national races and they are keen to develope ideas and keep costs down in the first year or so, when established the n the licences move up to similar to other offshore/circit classes. :seaman:

[roofer]

no they do junior races as well 9 to 16.

[Ian]

Originally posted by roofer
no they do junior races as well 9 to 16.

I assume you mean junior as in 'years old'

[roofer]

try http://www.barrowbc.gov.uk/main.asp?page=1191

[Gav]

Sounds impressive!

[Ian]

Can you post some dates, I'd like to come and have a shuffty.....:up:

[roofer]

here's provisional list.

[JBP]

Originally posted by roofer
no they do junior races as well 9 to 16.

Cicuit over in Oulton Broads do juniors too, single seat J250 class.

The Ks are classed as offshore and have driver & navigators, don't worry they don't need GPS though max 1 mile offshore
:seaman:

[Ian]

Originally posted by roofer
here's provisional list.

Which one is closest to Mothers Day :hugegrin:

[JBP]

Originally posted by Ian
Which one is closest to Mothers Day :hugegrin:

1st one of the season I'd say, mothers day is March 6th

[Ian]

Originally posted by JBP
1st one of the season I'd say, mothers day is March 6th

I know where the kids are takin' their mum then!

[JBP]

Originally posted by Ian
I know where the kids are takin' their mum then!

Have to get mine trained to do that then :hugegrin:

[Ian]

Gav,

Both these clubs have classes for standard ski-boats

First one is Windemere, second is Car Mill at St. Helens

Both are on sheltered water so it should be harder to stuff it (shouldn't it?)

You'll have to get cracking on a lightweight Sequel 14 before the season starts.

:seaman:

[Ian]

Ooops

Forgot the threads

www.wmbrc-racing.net/
www.lprc.info/
:wank:

[Gav]

Thanks for the links Ian, looking into it...............

[JBP]

Originally posted by Ian
Gav,

Both these clubs have classes for standard ski-boats

First one is Windemere, second is Car Mill at St. Helens

Both are on sheltered water so it should be harder to stuff it (shouldn't it?)

You'll have to get cracking on a lightweight Sequel 14 before the season starts.

:seaman:

We're holding our finals at Carr Mill this year, we use a lake for the last event of the race calander to give the kids a break. Should be great there, good facilities & hopitality too!!!

[OCRDA]

"the only thing i can do at age 33 is plunge straight into OCR , thats after splashing out on a rig! and to be perfectly honest i would find it a bit daunting..............."

We Race Standard Ski-Boats up to 1850cc 2 Stroke & 2200cc 4 Stroke through a variety of classes more info to follow

(Just practising to see if i can post a message in the right place)

[Gav]

Originally posted by OCRDA
"the only thing i can do at age 33 is plunge straight into OCR , thats after splashing out on a rig! and to be perfectly honest i would find it a bit daunting..............."

We Race Standard Ski-Boats up to 1850cc 2 Stroke & 2200cc 4 Stroke through a variety of classes more info to follow

(Just practising to see if i can post a message in the right place)

looking forward to more info.....................:up:

oh and welcome to Boatmad!:hugegrin:

[OCRDA]

An Introduction to OCR (Offshore Circuit Racing) Run on a day to day Basis by OCRDA (Offshore Circuit Racing Drivers Association) & Administered by the RYA

As the name suggests we race on small Multi Lap Circuits at Predominantly Offshore Venues, mainly around the UK. Our courses are generally between 1 & 2 miles per lap to obtain around a 2 minute lap time for either 55 mins + 1 Lap or 30 mins & 25 mins + Lap Racing on Saturday & Sunday with 10 Venues (20 Races) per season between May & October.

Due to new Rules it is now technically feasible to compete in an average conventional family Ski Boat.

A full spec National Boat would be: -
‘A’ Class min 18 foot up to 1850cc 2 Stroke 2200cc 4 Stroke (approx 140hp)
‘B’ Class min 16 foot up to 1350cc 2 Stroke 1600cc 4 Stroke (approx 90hp)
‘C’ Class min 14 foot up to 1000cc 2 Stroke 1300cc 4 Stroke (approx 70hp)

A Basic Boat (that is now eligible to run in the same National race) would be min 14 foot & up to approx 100hp although would have certain limitations on engine height weight etc. meeting a suitable safety standard (eligibility rests with the OCRDA) please email to see if your boat complies. You can obtain National 1 day Licenses (max 2 per season) but will need a full license to compete all season.

The min Safety equipment
Orange retirement flag
Anchor & Line
Pocket Mini Flares (1 per person)
2 Paddles
Bailer / Bilge Pump
2 White crash Helmets
2 Suitable Life Jackets

Full list is available on request although OCRDA will have some equipment available for hire.

You can just come along & enjoy the Social side or help with Timing, Safety etc.etc.

For any further info, Calendar, Eligibility etc. etc. please email bob@ocrda.freeserve.co.uk

[Gav]

I am very interested in the c class, and would like some more info please......................:devil:

[Ian]

OCRDA,

What is an average entry fee per race / weekend.

Gav,

Its still age descrimination, you're only 33 and they want you to carry an orange retirement flag :well:

[JBP]

Gav, you're not gonna win easily on the age front but OCR certainly will give the opportunity for a 14' seaquel up against similar boats.

Not sure if it was noted but you will need your own insurance too.

[Hydrostream]

Originally posted by OCRDA
A full spec National Boat would be: -
‘A’ Class min 18 foot up to 1850cc 2 Stroke 2200cc 4 Stroke (approx 140hp)
‘B’ Class min 16 foot up to 1350cc 2 Stroke 1600cc 4 Stroke (approx 90hp)
‘C’ Class min 14 foot up to 1000cc 2 Stroke 1300cc 4 Stroke (approx 70hp)

No more XR2's in OCR? I thought it was bad that they didn't allow 2.5's but the XR2 was a descent substitute, now is that gone too?

It's always puzzled me why they didn't make class 3 C, 2.5L!!!

[Hydrostream]

To answer Gav's original question, a good class would be run what you brung with sub classes, devided up by running a measured mile on flat water and timed.

[Gav]

Originally posted by JBP
Gav, you're not gonna win easily on the age front but OCR certainly will give the opportunity for a 14' seaquel up against similar boats.

Not sure if it was noted but you will need your own insurance too.


yeah should be interesting:devil:

i shall start sorting the paperwork straight away!

i'll knock the boat up the weekend before 1st race:well: :well:

[Hydrostream]

Gav, I think OCR has min and max weights, at least it did! Just something to considder. If you're build a purpose built boat to race in the class, find out how the boat is weighed, with or without driver, remaining fuel etc. and build a boat right on the min weight.

Is setback and jacks allowed in OCR?

Alan

[Gav]

Originally posted by Hydrostream
Gav, I think OCR has min and max weights, at least it did! Just something to considder. If you're build a purpose built boat to race in the class, find out how the boat is weighed, with or without driver, remaining fuel etc. and build a boat right on the min weight.

Is setback and jacks allowed in OCR?

Alan

Alan, I'll do all the research mate and build it spot on :up:
dont know if setback or jacks are allowed, but it wont need em anyway, i know the max Hull speed for it so i,ll base it somewhere in that region:laugh:

Cheers
Allan

[OCRDA]

1 ) No you dont need your own Insurance as any Compulsory Insurance is covered by your License either Full or Day

2) A 14' Sequel provided it has a standard 4 Seat style Cockpit (no Race Decks) is fine with up to 70hp National (Possibly more as Basic) although for National would need to be Homologated !!

3) XR2's were Binned as there is no Standard Production 2 Ltr Engine available for Sale & OCR is a Standard Production Class
& 1.8 Ltr is only 4 mph (average) slower than 2 Ltr was

4) You may be able to run a 2.5Ltr in Formula 200 (Contact Adam Younger)

Any further info please ask specific questions!!

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by OCRDA
Any further info please ask specific questions!!

OK, Bob, have you still got the 'ump' over the phoney phantom thread? :D :lol:lol:

How ya doing?

[OCRDA]

5) No Setbacks or Jacks are allowed.

6) Min Weight 'A' Class 575kg' 'B' Class 400kg 'C' Class TBA (i suspect somewhere around 300kg) Excluding Crew.

7) It looks as though we may this season allow a specific Exhaust Mod to make them Sound Better.!!

[OCRDA]

9) Sorry missed one Race Entries £150.00 per weekend (2 Days Racing)

I think that covers it !

Got bored with Phoney Phantoms !! Theyre becoming too common!!

[Gav]

Originally posted by OCRDA
1 )

2) A 14' Seaquel provided it has a standard 4 Seat style Cockpit (no Race Decks) is fine with up to 70hp National (Possibly more as Basic) although for National would need to be Homologated !!



Great! So does it have to be as skiboat spec? i mean does all the upholstery and rear seats have to be inplace t race or can i strip back to minimum required?

Any rules on prop sizes?

Thanks

[Gav]

Originally posted by OCRDA
5
6) Min Weight 'A' Class 575kg' 'B' Class 400kg 'C' Class TBA (i suspect somewhere around 300kg) Excluding Crew.



C class TBA, 300kg with motor i take it?

[RHINO]

going back to the original thread,the proposed additional class is production class with 200hp with the smallest boat being a 18 ft phantom. as for full blown 2.5 it is a insurance problem.if you are racing in sheltered waters it is probably ok. but we race in the sea and that is never sheltered.so the risk is,an overpowered boat in unfamiliar waters.if this series is to get off the floor the opinion is to walk before we can run.our insurance is high enough as it is. this series ,200hp production,will be available this year as soon as the rya sort out the final detailes.

[OCRDA]

10) Weight is all up at the end of a Race inc residual fuel !! 300 kg is just a guess as some practical weighing will be required !!

11)Prop choice is free

12) Boat can be stripped to a bare minimum for National Class with 2 seats side by side , or if Tandem will need an audio / visual warning device attached to co-driver.

[roofer]

rhino is a phantom not overpowered with an xr2 ? i thought max hp was 115 when they came out in early eighties.

[Gav]

thanks bob

doesthe boat have to be a production boat which complies with the RCD?

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by roofer
i thought max hp was 115 when they came out in early eighties.

Early 70's! first 18 came out the mould in '73.

[OCRDA]

does the boat have to be a production boat which complies with the RCD? [/B][/QUOTE]

It has to be a standard production Boat as in it must be produced from an actual Mould & be available to anyone to purchace as a Race Boat There are none that i am aware of that have RCD Compliance !!

[Gav]

Jonny your like an online database of boats, do you connect your brain to the web?:drain:

[Gav]

:up: OK so far!

[roofer]

gav whats the max hull speed for a sequel ?

[Gav]

Originally posted by roofer
gav whats the max hull speed for a sequel ?

55 mph but tends to start chine riding:aaahhh:

[OCRDA]

Originally posted by Jonny
Early 70's! first 18 came out the mould in '73.

In the early 80's the top OCR Class was 115 hp & predominantly 14 - 16' Boats ('E' Class) in 88 ish 1.8 ltr became 'A' Class & Class structure was reversed . in 91 'A' Class became 2 Ltr & 1.8 was changed to 'B' Class 1.3 Ltr 'C' Class & 1.0 Ltr 'D' Class.

with the demise of the XR2 as a Standard Prod Motor it was decided to revert to the late 80's type Class Structure .

[roofer]

no wonder racing is in decline if you've just gone back to how it was 25 years ago :sick:

[OCRDA]

Originally posted by OCRDA
In the early 80's the top OCR Class was 115 hp & predominantly 14 - 16' Boats ('E' Class) in 88 ish 1.8 ltr became 'A' Class & Class structure was reversed . in 91 'A' Class became 2 Ltr & 1.8 was changed to 'B' Class 1.3 Ltr 'C' Class & 1.0 Ltr 'D' Class.

with the demise of the XR2 as a Standard Prod Motor it was decided to revert to the late 80's type Class Structure .

Sorry got threads mixed up & missed Roofers Question !!

[OCRDA]

Originally posted by roofer
no wonder racing is in decline if you've just gone back to how it was 25 years ago :sick:

Unfortunately there were few options although this has worked very well as all Engine Manufactures have a competative Model inc direct inj & 4 Stroke's , by making the laps shorter with more turns & tighter Chicanes the racing has become very Competitve. Had we gone the other way ie 3 ltr to allow all engine manufacturers to compete then we would have had to have Bigger Boats & Longer courses but that is already Class 3.

"Don't Knock it til you've tried it"

[roofer]

let me get this right,last week i was doing mid 70's with my xr2 but next week i'll be doing mid 60's with my 130 if im lucky,it does'nt make sense, no wonder people are leaving the sport. i thought the idea of racing was to go fast not over 10mph slower,i bet the spectators love that.

[RHINO]

roofer,you are right an xr2 on an 18 is probably overpowered, but in the right hands an exciting bit of kit.where a 280 is 100hp more.the proposed production class is really just trying to open the door to all boats that have knowhere to race,and kickstart the whole national sport.and it has not been ruled out for 2.5s to compete allthough it would be an open class.the sea conditions would limit speeds,i have said all along that a trimmed in 2.5 is safer than a trimmed out xr2.

[roofer]

rhino i had an xr2 on my old phantom,i did'nt find it exciting which is why i bought my new phantom with a modified 2.5 on. i can see what you are saying but should'nt you be trying to get the people who have left the sport back as well as attracting new blood ?

[JBP]

Well with this years calander there should be plenty of opportunity for old racers and new to get out there and restore the sport to it's former glory.

The latest restraint being the EPA compliance which all classes are trying to address and keep it fair but like everything people don't want to fix things that weren't broke to start with, however things can improve and that's what will bring in the new blood and even bring back some of the old. :banana:

[Gav]

EPA compliance??

[Hydrostream]

Roofer, I know exactly what you mean, it's racing and until they realise that I'll have no interest in it, where’s the buz in racing something that you know you are never on the edge. Unless it's one of the 225 Honda boats, which tries to kill you in very corner!

About entry level racing;
I designed a boat a couple of years ago as an entry level boat to race under the 850 cc rule, it was a 14' 2 seater cat with 3 cyl. OMC's and Yamaha’s in mind and there's loads of those around from S850 and F3 tunnels. I approached the Irish Motorboat Association and they wouldn't help at all. They saw it as a threat to their already weak numbered S850 class and wouldn't help with homologation or running the class, although it was more an OCR/ dock racing type boat. I contacted the UIM myself about hologation and they seemed a bit more positive but still refer me back to the IMBA/ IPBRA.

There used to be a similar class in Wales, it's where I got the idea, run on Milford Haven. They raced every Tues, Thurs night and Sat afternoon. They had about 15-20 boats in the class and they were all 2 seater inline Concorde’s racing with 2 cyl engines. Lynn Dudley/ Concorde boats worked closely with my college and told a few of us that were interested in racing that he would start the class back up without the RYA. He pulled the molds out of hibernation, 2 boats were built in 2000 but we couldn't get the no's back. The interest was GONE! While the class was strong he campaigned to get it recognised by the RYA, it got recognised, the rules came, the class died!
I think Bristol docks is another example of this!

I think the way forward in starter class racing is open racing, race what ya got and find a way to class the boats.

Here in Ireland if you want to race, there's S850 tunnels and T850 mono’s, both inshore circuit with about 9 races a year and that’s it.

Alan

[Burty]

Originally posted by Jonny
OK, Bob, have you still got the 'ump' over the phoney phantom thread? :D :lol:lol:

How ya doing?
So standard is it?
Rob how you getting on with the 150Hp nitrous you had off me then????

[Ian]

Originally posted by Hydrostream
Lynn Dudley/ Concorde boats worked closely with my college

I think the way forward in starter class racing is open racing, race what ya got and find a way to class the boats.


Alan, Is this the same concorde boats that built the Fiesta and Florida models in the eighties....if so....have you got any pictures or further details you could post.

I agree with your ideas for starter classes, as a family man, if and when I get my next boat, it would have to be able to offer family entertainment when it wasn't being raced, rather than be an out and out racer. Handicapping / ballasting boats would be a good way of evening out performance within classes.

[Cookee]

Originally posted by roofer
rhino i had an xr2 on my old phantom,i did'nt find it exciting which is why i bought my new phantom with a modified 2.5 on. i can see what you are saying but should'nt you be trying to get the people who have left the sport back as well as attracting new blood ?

Roofer - as someone who has raced as a navigator in an OCR 2 litre boat and won the national championship although I only did half that season I had done a number of seasons before that.

Running a boat that is well powered up or even over powered is one thing, and racing it is another - have you ever run your Phantom offshore around and around for well over an hour in a force 4 + without lifting off trimmed out as far as it will go? Of course for added enjoyment add in another 15 - 20 boats all trying to get past you as well it certainly isn't boring.

As Bob said there are good reasons why OCR has gone down in size - you could always come along and watch a race before you make your mind up it's pants!

And if you want to race with an XR2 there's always the new production class running with Class 3!

I used to race 130 mph Karts but a race in those indoor karts is almost as much fun because it can be just as, if not closer racing and that is what it's all about.

If we have a class to suit everyone we would all be racing on out own - there has to be a limit, and it is better not to duplicate classes as much as possible - All IMHO of course! :cheers: :D

[OCRDA]

The original post was for information as to what Racing is available :-

So you have in Offshore :-

Kids Class Scorcerer 20 Merc
K 1000 Phantom 16 60 Merc
K ? Fletcher 14 40 Merc (i think)

OCR A Min 18' 140 ish
OCR B Min 16' 90 ish
OCR C Min 14' 70 ish
OCR C (basic) Min 14' 100ish

Honda 150
Honda 225

Class 3 c 90 ish
Class 3 c 200 ish

Formula 200 Min 18' 200hp

Zap-Cat

Thunder-Cat

Rhibs (Biboa)

V24

Water-Ski

Then theres Inshore with Northern Series
Circuit Jet Ski etc.etc.

? How many classes do you want ?

[JBP]

As they say plenty to be going on with.

Plus quite a few are standard production models with no mods, being standard means they are dual purpose, that's why the hondas come with cup holders..........

[roofer]

your right cookee you've got your opinion ive got mine !

[Cookee]

I certainly am not interested in a fight - just other peoples reasons for thier opinions - just where do you think I'm wrong or what points do you disagree with - and why?

[roofer]

the biggest reason is i dont want to race an xr2, i want to race a 2.5, you really must spend more time reading posts :D

[Gav]

Originally posted by Cookee



If we have a class to suit everyone we would all be racing on our own - there has to be a limit

I agree totally!

I think there's too much talk from folk who have large HP boats that dont fit the current classes for this year............

The way i see it is if you want to take part in the racing then get a boat that fits one of the 18 categories listed in earlier post you want to race in, and if there aint a category that suits you its tuff titty:pirate: Dont race!



:wink:

[roofer]

but gav i will be racing my boat this year and with a 2.5 engine fitted, i could also race in 2 litre with my old boat !

[Gav]

Originally posted by roofer
but gav i will be racing my boat this year and with a 2.5 engine fitted, i could also race in 2 litre with my old boat !

Nice to have the choice:cool:

But a lot of people dont have that pleasure..............

All i am saying is that theres a lot of moaning about racing not being exciting enough in certain classes because they cant go as fast as they would like to go, its all a bit contraversial for me i think, I'm just happy to be able to "have a go" in wotever class i can afford to run in, and i certainly would feel a bit of a gumby heading straight into 2L or 2.5 with no experience of racing..................:cool:

[JBP]

:worthy: how about dock racing?

[roofer]

thats what i'll be doing this year, looks kinda interesting and fast :D

[roofer]

jbp where was that taken ?

[Gav]

Coo pic!:up:

[JBP]

Originally posted by roofer
jbp where was that taken ?

Thats K1000 in Bristol City docks last year, yes city centre docks :facelick:

Don't try that at home :hugegrin:

[JBP]

This is the smaller K200 in Portland last year too :jaw:

[JBP]

Originally posted by Gav
Coo pic!:up:

Courtsey of Paul in a safety boat called Black Thunder, P21 RIB

[roofer]

now those 2 pictures proves the point ive been trying to make, i know wich racing id prefer.

and yes i know one of them is kids racing, its the speeds im on about .

[JBP]

Well the Portland one is my son racing at the age of 9.

Bristol the lad was 17, yes on the edge or what?? :dizzy:

[Hydrostream]

Originally posted by Ian
Alan, Is this the same concorde boats that built the Fiesta and Florida models in the eighties....if so....have you got any pictures or further details you could post.

Ian, yeah the same guy! I did have lots of pics of building them and molds and a few raceboats he had down there but I can't find them anywhere, they're prints. Not much info on them, they were a fairly run of the mill speedboat for the time. Although they were the only production speedboats built in the UK to have a pad on the bottom at that time that I know of. They were fairly quick too.

Lynn was wrapping things up when I finnished college, he stopped building concorde speedboats in the early 90's, still builds to order though and had a few complete boats in stock. He's building RIBs now, they're prety rough though!

[Hydrostream]

Fiesta, I think!

[Cookee]

Originally posted by roofer
now those 2 pictures proves the point ive been trying to make, i know wich racing id prefer.

and yes i know one of them is kids racing, its the speeds im on about .

Sorry to disapoint you Roofer - it's actually a 60hp 4 stroke 1 litre boat that you're looking at in the docks on its side!



............... Unless you're swopping the 2.5EFI for a 1.0 4stroke of course! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Gav]

Originally posted by Cookee
Sorry to disapoint you Roofer - it's actually a 60hp 4 stroke 1 litre boat that you're looking at in the docks on its side!



............... Unless you're swopping the 2.5EFI for a 1.0 4stroke of course! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:



:well: :well: And low HP racing isnt Fun!!!!!!! Looks great to me!!!:dizzy:

[roofer]

cookee you did'nt disapoint me, i was using those 2 pics to show the difference between fast and slow, obviously gone over your head though:headbang:

[Cookee]

I'll tell you what - lets just agree to disagree on this 'cos I havn't a clue what you're talking about mate- maybe one day we'll meet and have a civilised debate in a bar over a pint or two?


ps. which one do you see as fast and which is the slower?

[Jon]

Originally posted by JBP
This is the smaller K200 in Portland last year too :jaw:

Ace pic JBP.:up:

[roofer]

received the racing calendar for barrow this morning.

[Gav]

Abrdovey, pics taken from video sorry bout kwality

[Gav]

yeeehaaa

[JBP]

Originally posted by Gav
yeeehaaa

And to think that's without race safety gear!!!! good footage by the look of that Gav.

[Gav]

Yep we took some excellent footage that day, we were blasting out the dovey estuary flat out three up, then hitting the bar for the real fun!:bang:

[JBP]

Originally posted by Gav
Yep we took some excellent footage that day, we were blasting out the dovey estuary flat out three up, then hitting the bar for the real fun!:bang:

You wanna hit the bar just outside tiengmouth, devon, in a 20' rib wih a 200hp on the back.......especially when ya gotta get out nd push. B4 you ask not me driving or my boat....:dizzy:

[Gav]

JBP,

I used to live in Teignmouth!! My sister still does...
Had many outings in the 14 over that bar! 13minutes from Shaldon to torquay slipway:dizzy: :dizzy:

[TheOrs]

Originally posted by Gav
...then hitting the bar for the real fun!


I can't believe you're encouraging Drink-Boating Gav; No wonder your boat is airborne most of the time :brown: :cheers: :drink:

[Gav]

i reckon some fecker had filled the bouyancy tank with helium:aaahhh: :drain:

[Cookee]

Originally posted by Gav
JBP,

I used to live in Teignmouth!! My sister still does...
Had many outings in the 14 over that bar! 13minutes from Shaldon to torquay slipway:dizzy: :dizzy:

Was tempted for a moment to ask for pictures of your sister as well - but thought better of it! :hugegrin:

[Gav]

Originally posted by Cookee
Was tempted for a moment to ask for pictures of your sister as well - but thought better of it! :hugegrin:

:drain: Well shes been carnival queen for afew years on the trot!:drain:


Was Talkin to Mick from powertrucks today, he's thinkin of selling his mannerfelt and going back into OCR. Ian Sterling is back in OCR also and some names came up in the conversation....................Mr fuller, cookee, mr davis.........and others i dont know........

:wink:

[RHINO]

gav i think you will find ian sterling is doing class 3 in a phantom 21. and i cannot see mick doing anything less than 2litre,but i may be wrong.

[OCRDA]

Originally posted by RHINO
gav i think you will find ian sterling is doing class 3 in a phantom 21. and i cannot see mick doing anything less than 2litre,but i may be wrong.

Only cos they're not up to it !!

www.ocrda.org web site back on line but still being updated !!

[RHINO]

rob ,i am not going to rise to the question of speed and cobwebs.::jaw:

[OCRDA]

Originally posted by RHINO
rob ,i am not going to rise to the question of speed and cobwebs.::jaw:

Oh go on !! :violin:

[Gav]

Originally posted by RHINO
rob ,i am not going to rise to the question of speed and cobwebs.::jaw:

:confused: What?

[JBP]

Now where were we, race boats I believe?????

Gav, hope you've been informed now, looks like you Seaqual can race in OCR C class, careful there's a lot of competition.......

[Cookee]

Originally posted by JBP
Now where were we, race boats I believe?????

Gav, hope you've been informed now, looks like you Seaqual can race in OCR C class, careful there's a lot of competition.......

Well actually there hasn't been anyone racing in C class for a number of years!

[JBP]

Originally posted by Cookee
Well actually there hasn't been anyone racing in C class for a number of years!

I remember now

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Matt
At least it means he'd win!

Good point! aint there a class like that, that Cookee can run the shark in!:lol:lol:

[JBP]

Originally posted by Matt
At least it means he'd win!
win? he'd clear the board....

[Gav]

Originally posted by Cookee
Well actually there hasn't been anyone racing in C class for a number of years!

OH Shat, yore joking? what nobody to compete with, i cant race myself now can i? gutted.............

:headbang:

[Cookee]

Originally posted by Jonny
Good point! aint there a class like that, that Cookee can run the shark in!:lol:lol:

Watch it Nobba! :duell:

Of course I've a long way to go before I reach your tally of Race wins but considering I only started recently I reckon I'm doing ok for now - must admit we had a bit of a dry spell last year though!

Gav - never said there wouldn't be any this season - maybe Bob Mcarthy knows?

[OCRDA]

The beginning has to start somewhere !! 2002 saw the return of 1.8 ltr class & this year will see the return of 1.3 & 1.0 at the moment there are 10-12 'A' Class 3-5 'B' Class & with you 1 'C' Class if we dont keep it a secret & tell anyone with a Boat then we should easily get some more !!

TELL EVERYONE !!

[Gav]

Originally posted by OCRDA
The beginning has to start somewhere !! 2002 saw the return of 1.8 ltr class & this year will see the return of 1.3 & 1.0 at the moment there are 10-12 'A' Class 3-5 'B' Class & with you 1 'C' Class if we dont keep it a secret & tell anyone with a Boat then we should easily get some more !!

TELL EVERYONE !!

Well perhaps theres hope yet then?? fingers crossed :up:

[chris]

bob are model powerboats still racing?

[JBP]

Originally posted by Gav
Well perhaps theres hope yet then?? fingers crossed :up:

Keep them and others crossed, to compete you need ideally 5 of you out there, we've got 5-6 in K1000 this year which is 2-3 more than last, as Bob says you gotta start some where. :rolleyes:

[Gav]

Originally posted by JBP
Keep them and others crossed, to compete you need ideally 5 of you out there, we've got 5-6 in K1000 this year which is 2-3 more than last, as Bob says you gotta start some where. :rolleyes:


So is there a minimum boat numbers to race?

thing is i aint spending time and money in the "hope" others join!

[JBP]

Originally posted by Gav
So is there a minimum boat numbers to race?

thing is i aint spending time and money in the "hope" others join!
Well you need a gold, silver & bronze so at least 3 :three: to compete, 5 is a lot more intersting. I think someone said earlier in this or another thread, half the fun is racing alongside others :wave: etc the rest is keeping the boat afloat and going... or is it more the merrier :cheers:

[OCRDA]

Originally posted by Gav
So is there a minimum boat numbers to race?

thing is i aint spending time and money in the "hope" others join!

No there is no minimum number to Race But 2 are required to run a national championship !! we can always invent a handicap system !!

Bob

[OCRDA]

Originally posted by chris
bob are model powerboats still racing?

Funny you should mention that we are having a Torquay-Brixham-Torquay revival (so far 15 non omra entries) March 20th Tony Ellis & myself are organising it all are welcome

Bob

[Gav]

Originally posted by OCRDA
No there is no minimum number to Race But 2 are required to run a national championship !! we can always invent a handicap system !!

Bob

yeah stick a seagull on a phantom hey presto!:drain:

[Gav]

Hey TheOrs, you have an arrowflight is it 14' or 15', you could race???????:aaahhh: :hugegrin: :hugegrin:

[JBP]

Originally posted by Gav
Hey TheOrs, you have an arrowflight is it 14' or 15', you could race???????:aaahhh: :hugegrin: :hugegrin:
We could always change out one of our Yam 40s for one of our Merc 60s on a K400 or just put in a K1000, but we've got a busy season, you could always come down to Allhallows in April for the Basic race..:cheers:

[Gav]

What would i be racing against ie boat sizes and hp?

[JBP]

Last year our K1000s entered the basic race as well as doing their National championships, so you would be up against at least 3 P16 with 60HP 4stroke Mercs, various 16-20' monos using anything from a 70-130 so quite a mix. Can't comment on day licences etc best to contact AYC thmselves for the rest of the info.

Last year there were quite a few A class OCR there it's the testing ground for the winter projects you see....:banana:

[Gav]

so theres one race i can enter!

what sort of speeds do the 16's rach on average?

[JBP]

Originally posted by Gav
so theres one race i can enter!

what sort of speeds do the 16's rach on average?
About 40-45mph:bolt:

[Gav]

Originally posted by JBP
About 40-45mph:bolt:


So theresa possibility i wont come last then:D

[JBP]

Originally posted by Gav
So theresa possibility i wont come last then:D

I'd say you'd give em a run for their money, don't forget you can do 2 racs on a day licence, if you like it there is an insentive to off set that for a full offshore licence too. :brain:

[Gav]

Originally posted by JBP
I'd say you'd give em a run for their money, don't forget you can do 2 racs on a day licence, if you like it there is an insentive to off set that for a full offshore licence too. :brain:


Cool:up:

How quick is the 16 out the hole? They look a very nice handling boat from what i have seen.............

:devil:

[JBP]

Originally posted by Gav
Cool:up:

How quick is the 16 out the hole? They look a very nice handling boat from what i have seen.............

:devil:
Dunno they have a rolling start :chomp: so normally just on the plane before the green flag....:cool:

[Gav]

Ah a rolling start eh?

is there a reason why? :confused: are all the races rolling starts?

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Gav
Ah a rolling start eh?

are all the races rolling starts?

Yup.

Remember, an offshore race is an endurance, not a sprint, in most cases, an offshore race lasts at least an hour.

And some pure race boats struggle getting on plane.

Any advantage you get from setting your boat up for 'hole shot', will seem pretty insignificant after an hour of flat-out running, against boats set up for speed/handling.

[TheOrs]

Originally posted by Gav
Hey TheOrs, you have an arrowflight is it 14' or 15', you could race???????:aaahhh: :hugegrin: :hugegrin:

Like most Arrowflytes, mines a 14' ;)

but there's one main problem;

I'm a coward! :aaahhh:

[JBP]

Originally posted by Jonny
Yup.

Remember, an offshore race is an endurance, not a sprint, in most cases, an offshore race last at least an hour.

And some pure race boats struggle getting on plane.

Any advantage you get from setting your boat up for 'hole shot', will seem pretty insignificant after an hour of flat-out running, against boats set up for speed/handling.
Well put Jonny, only exception to rolling starts are normally found on inshore circuts, hydroplanes etc where you find them doing pontoon starts. We're gonna try it this year at Portland as we have a superb pontoon in the harbour, gonna try our K400s see how it goes:aaahhh:

[Gav]

Originally posted by TheOrs
Like most Arrowflytes, mines a 14' ;)

but there's one main problem;

I'm a coward! :aaahhh:


The mighty Ors, a coward? Come on man! live a little.......

So you are telling me you dont give that fletch some stick?

Just do a basic race like me, give the big boys a wide berth and Enjoy the experience,


So wadda ya say :pirate:

[TheOrs]

Originally posted by Gav
So wadda ya say :pirate:

I am tempted, but it won't be this year. A bunch of us 've been given a 13% pay cut in work, cuz times is tough; (unlucky eh! Week later the MD turns up in a brand new Merc company car :angry: ) so I'm on the bones of my arse at the mo'.

I'll definately be turning up to watch a few of the Westcountry ones though, especially the K200/400/1000 at Bristol docks. I didn't realise there was anybody racing these small sportsboats.


Originally posted by Gav
So you are telling me you dont give that fletch some stick?

Yeh, I do; but only in a nice 'n gentle kind of way

;p;

[Gav]

Originally posted by TheOrs





Yeh, I do; but only in a nice 'n gentle kind of way

;p;


:confused: is there a gentle way? :drain:

[JBP]

Originally posted by TheOrs


I'll definately be turning up to watch a few of the Westcountry ones though, especially the K200/400/1000 at Bristol docks. I didn't realise there was anybody racing these small sportsboats.


We hope to put on a good show again, last year we even had the hotest days of May, so don't forget the sun tan cream.....:hot:

[OCRDA]

Originally posted by TheOrs
I am tempted, but it won't be this year. A bunch of us 've been given a 13% pay cut in work, cuz times is tough; (unlucky eh! Week later the MD turns up in a brand new Merc company car :angry: ) so I'm on the bones of my arse at the mo'.

I'll definately be turning up to watch a few of the Westcountry ones though, especially the K200/400/1000 at Bristol docks. I didn't realise there was anybody racing these small sportsboats.




Yeh, I do; but only in a nice 'n gentle kind of way

;p;
Get a mate with loads of money to Navigate with you , or better still get your Boss to sponsor you .Its good advertising for any Company!!

[OCRDA]

So just to Reiterate .
How many of you will we see in OCR this season ??

[Gav]

Heres a second han one for sale 2001

here (http://www.boats-for-sale.com/boatdetailpopup.asp?btsrefno=3458313)

[JBP]

Originally posted by Gav
Heres a second han one for sale 2001

here (http://www.boats-for-sale.com/boatdetailpopup.asp?btsrefno=3458313)

Hey gav the link take you to super yachts, you sure there's a seaqual there.

[Gav]

Originally posted by JBP
Hey gav the link take you to super yachts, you sure there's a seaqual there.


Sorry!

[Gav]

sorry 2 small!!!!:bang:

[Hydrostream]

Gav, are you still going to the Dublin boat show? You should bring some brochurs if you have any for your boats, see if you can get a dealer over here to take them on. There's no dealers selling new small outboard boats, only RIBs.
It's worth a try!

[OCRDA]

Looks like another OCR 'C' Class to me

[Hydrostream]

Originally posted by OCRDA
Looks like another OCR 'C' Class to me

What does?

[OCRDA]

Originally posted by Hydrostream
What does?
You're V King !!

[Hydrostream]

Originally posted by OCRDA
You're V King !!

Thats what I thought you were refering to.

It has a modified 2.4L and is 17' 9" long, does it fall into a class?
I would be interested in racing it if I could, that would be a hoot!

[OCRDA]

Originally posted by Hydrostream
Thats what I thought you were refering to.

It has a modified 2.4L and is 17' 9" long, does it fall into a class?
I would be interested in racing it if I could, that would be a hoot!

My appologies it looked like a smaller engine from picture .

However i believe it qualifies for Northern series (Barrow) or you could put a 140 on it for OCR A Class (would need an agreement from OCR as its a little short) as you may have noticed we need more entries

Bob

Must be interesting with 2.4 !!

[Hydrostream]

Originally posted by OCRDA
My appologies it looked like a smaller engine from picture .

However i believe it qualifies for Northern series (Barrow) or you could put a 140 on it for OCR A Class (would need an agreement from OCR as its a little short) as you may have noticed we need more entries

Bob

Must be interesting with 2.4 !!

Have you got any more info on the northern series, I cant find any on the net anywhere! What kind of course do they run, lake, docks, offshore?
What rules, safety equipment required.

Thanks, Alan

[OCRDA]

Originally posted by Hydrostream
Have you got any more info on the northern series, I cant find any on the net anywhere! What kind of course do they run, lake, docks, offshore?
What rules, safety equipment required.

Thanks, Alan

Have to refer you back to Roofer on that one ,he should know !! if not come back to me and i will put you in touch with someone else.

Bob

[roofer]

hydro its a 5 bouy course run in an old submarine dock in barrow,its run under rya rules. you can ring them on 015394 43284 or email leunghkh@aol.com for more information .

[OCRDA]

Originally posted by roofer
hydro its a 5 bouy course run in an old submarine dock in barrow,its run under rya rules. you can ring them on 015394 43284 or email leunghkh@aol.com for more information .

"Only 5 buoys" no wonder you need so much Horsepower to keep it exciting .

Bob

[roofer]

ocrda , yes only 5 buoys 4 left hand turns and 1 right hand turn , phantoms dont like turning right for some reason so should be fun.

[RHINO]

roofer, you can run 2.5 in our offshore 200 series,it has been decided that your power setup would be eligable in production open class, competing with any boat that does not fit in 200 class. and some of us would like to compete in your races .that should throw down the gauntlet.

[OCRDA]

Originally posted by RHINO
roofer, you can run 2.5 in our offshore 200 series,it has been decided that your power setup would be eligable in production open class, competing with any boat that does not fit in 200 class. and some of us would like to compete in your races .that should throw down the gauntlet.

Now your just being silly !!

[roofer]

Originally posted by OCRDA
"Only 5 buoys" no wonder you need so much Horsepower to keep it exciting .

Bob

bob the reason i need so much horsepower is at barrow there will be approx 30 boats and at the first turn buoy i want to be at the front , sod getting my new boat scratched :D

[Hydrostream]

Roofer, any idea how long the course is? And what safety gear do you have for racing? Just an idea on whats needed.
Would my boat be eligible for the class? 17' 9" @ 280kg
I'd love to do a race in my boat, are there any single races or weekend events outside the season points?
Thanks

[roofer]

hydro ive no idea how long course is but races last for 20 minutes.safety gear is race lifejacket,orange helmet,fire extinguisher,twin kill cords,battery isolator and maybe anchor and rope. you can enter a single race if you want,day licence available at £50 .your boat would be ideal at around 18 foot .

[OOD]

How about old classic boats ie any thing over 15 years old

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by OOD
How about old classic boats ie any thing over 15 years old

Agreed! A few years back, a class got invented called 'Historic class', aimed at all the old class 1 and class 2 Mono's that must be lying around.

it never really got anywhere back then, but I never understood why.

A 'basic' type 'run wot ya brung' for these type of boats would be excellent.


PS.

Tony, could you PM me Clair's address, I have this copy of Searace here for her.

[Matt]

Is it because a class I boat requires mega bucks to run and maintain, and if you've got mega bucks, you're gonna want something a bit newer.


Originally posted by Jonny
it never really got anywhere back then, but I never understood why.

[Jon Fuller]

No, No, you baffoon! Class I and II hulls, running with oul pig Iron like you've got, or a little bigger.

[OOD]

Do you now who ran the Historic Class

Put your phone on Jon

[Jon Fuller]

'Historic class' was an RYA class

[JBP]

Originally posted by Jonny
'Historic class' was an RYA class

There is a 'classic boat club' too, they did enquire about putting on a race down in Cardiff during June. It's on the RYA calendar but got a feelin it's gonna get cancelled.

[OOD]

Was there ever a Historic Race

[Matt]

Are you referring to the boats or the drivers. :drain: :D

[Jon Fuller]

Not really, the only team that actually turned out for it was Tony 'mad dog' Hamilton with his Lamborgini/Bertram 38, and that ended up in GT class, Peter Clarke's Bertram 38 'Ocean Thunder' was also gonna run, but never saw the water.

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Matt
Are you referring to the boats or the drivers. :drain: :D

Nuffink wrong with being old sonny!

[kranky]

Hi Gav
Just wanted to say why not come an have a go at OCR, i've been doing it for 5 years now and i don't want to do offshore (sorry Brian and Co), When i stop racing i will do OCR safety and my daughter is already set for racing when she hits 16 in 2006.Once the bug bites...........i know Brian misses it really, don't you hun.
Check out the website www.ocrda.org. Its all up and running now.
Fi

[JBP]

Originally posted by kranky
Hi Gav
Just wanted to say why not come an have a go at OCR,i've been doing it for 5 years now and i don't want to do offshore (sorry Brian and Co),When i stop racing i will do OCR safety and my daughter is already set for racing when she hits 16 in 2006.Once the bug bites...........i know Brian misses it really, don't you hun.
Check out the website www.ocrda.org. Its all up and running now
Fi

if you want the bug to bite why not let her have a go in 1L K1000 class this year then?

[Cookee]

Hi Fi!

Welcome to Boatmad! You'll have to stop by the workshop again, we've got another 19XL in the mould!

[kranky]

If we could do both JBP we would,but we can't,sorry,and yep next time i'm down the yard you can make the tea John,or at least get Kev to make it ok
Fi

[Cookee]

:tea: :wave:

[K9 racing]

hi fi,

are you racing with paul this year?

i was down sams the other day he seems to be doing allright hes got 15 boat moulds now!!

hes got everything from canoes to the ring moulds.

[kitten]

Originally posted by kranky
yep next time i'm down the yard you can make the tea John,or at least get Kev to make it ok
Fi

You best bring a flask:D

[Gav]

Originally posted by OCRDA
The original post was for information as to what Racing is available :-

So you have in Offshore :-

Kids Class Scorcerer 20 Merc
K 1000 Phantom 16 60 Merc
K ? Fletcher 14 40 Merc (i think)

OCR A Min 18' 140 ish
OCR B Min 16' 90 ish
OCR C Min 14' 70 ish
OCR C (basic) Min 14' 100ish

Honda 150
Honda 225

Class 3 c 90 ish
Class 3 c 200 ish

Formula 200 Min 18' 200hp

Zap-Cat

Thunder-Cat

Rhibs (Biboa)

V24

Water-Ski

Then theres Inshore with Northern Series
Circuit Jet Ski etc.etc.

? How many classes do you want ?

Where do i find more info on class A ocr & formula 200??

[roofer]

Originally posted by Gav
Where do i find more info on class A ocr & formula 200??

Try the rya website.

[Matt]

For F200, speak to Adam.

[Adam]

From this year ORDA will be taking over teh format of F200.

In basic terms it is to bring together all 200hp (or upto) boats be they 3C / F1 RIBs or sportsboats or ex. raceboats.

Folowing our next committee meeting and some discussions with the RYA I will be able to post more detaisl for 2006.

Adam

[Matt]

Cunningly timed! :D

[Gav]

Originally posted by Adam
From this year ORDA will be taking over teh format of F200.

In basic terms it is to bring together all 200hp (or upto) boats be they 3C / F1 RIBs or sportsboats or ex. raceboats.

Folowing our next committee meeting and some discussions with the RYA I will be able to post more detaisl for 2006.

Adam

cheers Adam, so would it be a series or just basics? and would my "black bitch" fit into this class?

[Matt]

200hp sir...:bolt: :bang: :well: :drain:

[lobbers]

what you trying to say sir:rolleyes:

[Gav]

Originally posted by Matt
200hp sir...:bolt: :bang: :well: :drain:

i meant boat length :duell:

[Gav]

Originally posted by lobbers
what you trying to say sir:rolleyes:

reckon he thinks we have loadsa xtra HP, hence taking 4.5seconds a lap outa him!!:jaw: :hugegrin: :lol:lol: :drain: :well: :violin:

[Captain Chaos]

play nice Gav!

anyways, me & you have discussed this HP point a few times & I aint gonna change my view.

[Gav]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos
play nice Gav!

anyways, me & you have discussed this HP point a few times & I aint gonna change my view.

I'm sure Matt knows me well enuf to know im just pissin around!

Re Motor: tell me how its over 200hp? 94'pwerhead, 16 amp stator, carbon reeds, offshore leg.....? dont tell me we are pulling more rpm cause the most we are seeing is 6000rpm at WOT..

i'll still love ya whatever ya say ya big tart!:three:

[lobbers]

but what do you know about engines we were under powered that day either that or gav was to scared to go flat out :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[lobbers]

what about the stuff we added to the fuel

[Captain Chaos]

N Oh B!


I think you know me well enough to know I'm being very light hearted!

Anyways, we all know the only reason you did so well is coz I sent you up Tonys 'ooky' prop............

that'll get the chinese whispers going :D

[Gav]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos
N Oh B!


I think you know me well enough to know I'm being very light hearted!

Anyways, we all know the only reason you did so well is coz I sent you up Tonys 'ooky' prop............

that'll get the chinese whispers going :D

and what a lovely prop she is too!

i reckon lobbers slipped somfin in the tank when i werent lookin!!

[The gArfish]

Originally posted by Gav
94'pwerhead

fuk mee dats owlder dan godds dogg. ifn itts pullin mor dan 180ph iyll eet mi fkin boler

gArf

[lobbers]

you say its only tonys prop and don't get me wrong its a very fine and loverly prop but didn't the boat go faster with that chopper that came in from canada

[Gav]

Originally posted by The gArfish
fuk mee dats owlder dan godds dogg. ifn itts pullin mor dan 180ph iyll eet mi fkin boler

gArf


nah it must be way way closer to 250ph:well: otherwise we'd have come last!

[Gav]

Originally posted by lobbers
you say its only tonys prop and don't get me wrong its a very fine and loverly prop but didn't the boat go faster with that chopper that came in from canada

only 71mph ................ but hey! that puts us in the "70mph club"!!!:banana:

[Captain Chaos]

Originally posted by Gav
and what a lovely prop she is too!

i reckon lobbers slipped somfin in the tank when i werent lookin!!

by the way she was smokin' its quite likely he did............. my guess is is pestiside or fertilizer!

either way, credit were its due......it sounded sweet enough when @ revs. As did explosion.

[Captain Chaos]

Originally posted by lobbers
you say its only tonys prop and don't get me wrong its a very fine and loverly prop but didn't the boat go faster with that chopper that came in from canada

shut it Nigel!, you're being far too serious!

I'm a nob......remember :D

[Matt]

:hugegrin:

[Captain Chaos]

Originally posted by Gav
nah it must be way way closer to 250ph:well: otherwise we'd have come last!

Now the truths out!

who d'ya borrow the 2.5 offshore p/head from.

Dirty cheatin' Norven monkeyboy! :seaman:

[lobbers]

who me serious never :shag:

[The gArfish]

Originally posted by Gav
nah it must be way way closer to 250ph

itt mite gow a bitt fasster ifn yew putt sum oyl inn de fkin geerbokks:laugh:

gArf

[Jono]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos
by the way she was smokin' its quite likely he did...

Yeah..by the way it was smokin'....Diesel I'd reckon...... not too bright these water squirters...:duell:

[Gav]

Originally posted by The gArfish
itt mite gow a bitt fasster ifn yew putt sum oyl inn de fkin geerbokks:laugh:

gArf

best ask the retard who was sat at the helm when it "expired"!!

[Captain Chaos]

Close Jono,

I actually reckon they mixed it correctly @ 40:1.

Just got which part was which :well:

[lobbers]

but doesn't he come from the same gene pool:booty:

[Captain Chaos]

Originally posted by Gav
best ask the retard who was sat at the helm when it "expired"!!

he's your Blood & genetic match, more the fkin worry.

Mind you I've got 2 bros and should any of the BM community get to meet them.....God helps us all!

[lobbers]

yea 40 litres of avgas to 1 mothball

[Gav]

Originally posted by lobbers
but doesn't he come from the same gene pool:booty:

yeah but i aint fat!:well:

[lobbers]

yea and he ain't black so whats your point:drain: :drain: :drain:

[Gav]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos
he's your Blood & genetic match, more the fkin worry.

Mind you I've got 2 bros and should any of the BM community get to meet them.....God helps us all!

never mind the bm community, i feel sorry for the Solent Coastguard!!:lol:lol:

[The gArfish]

Originally posted by Jono
not too bright these water squirters..


itt taiks a verry yewneek tipe too bee a eroic fyre fiter.

yewshully a singul sell lyfe fawm

gArf

[scottyboy]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos
Now the truths out!

who d'ya borrow the 2.5 offshore p/head from.

Dirty cheatin' Norven monkeyboy! :seaman:

:eek: Gav you naughty boy!:D

[Captain Chaos]

Originally posted by Gav
never mind the bm community, i feel sorry for the Solent Coastguard!!:lol:lol:

you wait till Ace gets waterbound, then they are in shit!

[Captain Chaos]

Originally posted by scottyboy
:eek: Gav you naughty boy!:D

I was only kiddin!

It was a 300 drag :well:

you put them stickies on yet Scott? I dont know eh......fkin pestered me for 6 months then you dont bother!

[The gArfish]

Originally posted by Gav
hence taking 4.5seconds a lap outa him


yew arr gonner gett yor butt kikt nekst tyme cuz heez gott a seekrit weppon.

anntistuf finns

[lobbers]

only thing to do next time is duck i think:cheers:

[scottyboy]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos
I was only kiddin!

It was a 300 drag :well:

you put them stickies on yet Scott? I dont know eh......fkin pestered me for 6 months then you dont bother!

:well: 300 drag! If it was he was goin slow!;p;
Na not yet mate! Slack aint i! was gonna do em this weekend but weathers been shite! Rained all weekend here! Been bored allday!:zzz:

[Jono]

Originally posted by The gArfish
itt taiks a verry yewneek tipe too bee a eroic fyre fiter.

yewshully a singul sell lyfe fawm

gArf

..That’s right…….. ’n occasionally they get one that doesn’t make the grade….. so to rehabilitate them………… ’n make ‘em useful members of society……….they spend huge sums of money on therapy sessions…… then find them something less taxing to do………:drool:

[lobbers]

we were trying to save fuel and protect the ozone layer from the green house gases:brown:

[Gav]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos
I was only kiddin!

It was a 300 drag :well:



yeah rite! :dizzy:

[Captain Chaos]

Originally posted by lobbers
we were trying to save fuel and protect the ozone layer from the green house gases:brown:

a cork in Mustafa's ringer would be a much more effective method

[Captain Chaos]

Originally posted by scottyboy
:well: 300 drag! If it was he was goin slow!;p;
Na not yet mate! Slack aint i! was gonna do em this weekend but weathers been shite! Rained all weekend here! Been bored allday!:zzz:

could have been flatting back the blue, ready for the Matt-charcoal overspray :D

[lobbers]

well jono at least i know what a tirfor is good for:booty: :booty: :booty: :booty:




a washing line :drain: :drain:

[Gav]

Originally posted by Jono
..That’s right…….. ’n occasionally they get one that doesn’t make the grade….. so to rehabilitate them………… ’n make ‘em useful members of society……….they spend huge sums of money on therapy sessions…… then find them something less taxing to do………:drool:

most of em are "off sick" with "stress" !!!

[lobbers]

not got a cork big enough don't forget who his bro is big critter with the big arse:bolt:

[lobbers]

hay i'm a donkey on the edge don't push me:dizzy: :dizzy:

[Gav]

heres "chris critter Gavin" (the fat one!) being pulled in from calshot to hythe!!

[Captain Chaos]

I'd never had you down as a Stresser Nige'

Thought you were as cool as a cuecumber :D.............. mind you, 25 years of the Gavster, theres gotta be some adverse reaction to that!

[lobbers]

only needed a lifeboat that big cos of weight

[Gav]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos
I'd never had you down as a Stresser Nige'

Thought you were as cool as a cuecumber :D.............. mind you, 25 years of the Gavster, theres gotta be some adverse reaction to that!

he actually said i have mellowed of late, must be old age!

[Gav]

Originally posted by lobbers
only needed a lifeboat that big cos of weight

the "exon valdese" would have been more appropriate!

[scottyboy]

Originally posted by Gav
heres "chris critter Gavin" (the fat one!) being pulled in from calshot to hythe!!


Ooh Ooh Ooh! Y did ya need a lifeboat in the first place dude?:confused:

[Gav]

Originally posted by scottyboy
Ooh Ooh Ooh! Y did ya need a lifeboat in the first place dude?:confused:


cus the gearbox went into " self combust" and mr critter was at the wheel! Good job that reirement flag was still in the boat!!

[lobbers]

and also he floating out to sea and was to much to get oars out and row:yawn:

[K9 racing]

how about 12ft sorcerers with efi's.... p.s. i have a crap photo shop!

[scottyboy]

Hate it when that happens! Thats why i never go out in the race boat by meself! Always with another boat if i can help it! Just to save the embarresment of calling the lifeboat!:bolt:

[JBP]

Originally posted by K9 racing
how about 12ft sorcerers with efi's.... p.s. i have a crap photo shop!

Is that not ya usual 25 with an Alien cowl??

[Burty]

Originally posted by Gav
yeah rite! :dizzy:

Can i collect my powerhead when i come up this week?;)

[Gav]

Originally posted by Burty
Can i collect my powerhead when i come up this week?;)


:D wanna swap!

[critter]

DATE 20/2/06

TIME 14.48 ish


BIG FAT CRITTER is making his way over to dark skinned bro's workshop to knock him the feck out and his skinny little mate who's still got no boat!!!!!!!ha


Oh and yes i felt like a complete plank being pulled in by a 60" life boat!!!!!!

worst was when a crew member said "never saw a boat like this before who built this one then?"

:hugegrin:

[critter]

For anyone wondering how it happend i don't know


Going along at 69 hands firmly on the steering wheel and a binding noise, boat stops, look down and gear in neutral, then thuoght oh bugger not good!!!