My favourite... TOP GUN for sale!!

[Admiral P. Brain]

ohhh my favorite boat and over here in Europe with twin diesels!!
have asked for more info.. but it look like he's chipped the volvo kad300's up to 400hp !!

any comments??


www.atlantiqueboats.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&checked_boats=1227863&slim=broker&&hosturl=atlantiqueboats&&ywo=atlantiqueboats&

[phantomc92]

one day .................maybe

[DIESEL DIGGLER]

[but it look like he's chipped the volvo kad300's up to 400hp !!

any comments??


time bomb waiting to go off :down:

[Admiral P. Brain]

you think so??

I know you can chip up car diesels thinking VW golf 1.9 tdi 110 or 115hp can be chipped quickly and cheaply to 150hp

I have a bmw 3.30d 183hp someone told me i can get that chipped to 210ish easily

and it doesnt hurt the mpg or reliabilty!!

how is this done? is it just the electronic management system?

[phantomc92]

and still covered by the original warranty as long as the dealer does it

[Jon Fuller]

Marine apps are a different ball game, full, or near full power for long periods, cars rarely get anything like the same hammering

[Admiral P. Brain]

so you think squeezing an extra 100 ponies out of the kad 300 is a bad idea!! ??

[JamesM]

Originally posted by Admiral P. Brain
you think so??

I know you can chip up car diesels thinking VW golf 1.9 tdi 110 or 115hp can be chipped quickly and cheaply to 150hp

I have a bmw 3.30d 183hp someone told me i can get that chipped to 210ish easily

and it doesnt hurt the mpg or reliabilty!!

how is this done? is it just the electronic management system?

They just wind the boost up dude!!! :D

[Burty]

i did that once
may have wound it up a bit much though
£5000 later

[JamesM]

you missed a zero of there dude

:bang:

[Burty]

may be but at least it didnt end up like this:aaahhh:

[guernsey lad]

Originally posted by Admiral P. Brain
ohhh my favorite boat and over here in Europe with twin diesels!!
have asked for more info.. but it look like he's chipped the volvo kad300's up to 400hp !!

any comments??


www.atlantiqueboats.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&checked_boats=1227863&slim=broker&&hosturl=atlantiqueboats&&ywo=atlantiqueboats&

Isn't top gun lying in geurnsey and it's black or am i thinking of another boat?

[Admiral P. Brain]

Top Gun is the model name for a 36ft Cigarette....

[Admiral P. Brain]

mistype these fat sunburnt fingers!!!

[jw.]

Originally posted by Matt
Depends what oil you run in it :D

And what did you finally pour into it?

[Corrado]

All Cigarette Top Guns are 38 footers. Top Gun is a Cigarette model name. Built from 1987 to current.

Here are few for sale in the USA today.
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/1/0/60418710.htm

[Corrado]

Im trying to post photos of some brand new Top Guns straight from the paint shop lastweek, but can't. Can anyone help with that?

And the boat in the ad at Atlantique Boats for this Cigarette Top Gun is not the actual boat they have for sale, if im correct they are using the photo from the companys website. Here it is. It may have the same paint sceme though.
http://www.cigaretteracing.com/boats/boat_main.htm

I don't believe there is a difference between the 2002 and the 2004 TG (top gun) hulls.

[Corrado]

This is the boat they are using in the ad.
http://www.cigaretteracing.com/boats/topgun/wallpaper/_6Top-Gun_800x600.jpg

[Admiral P. Brain]

I believe the top gun in Norway is not a Florida built boat !!

but a Swedish built Hightec 3900 version

So in my book not a true cigarette ??

[cashbrain]

Originally posted by Admiral P. Brain
Top Gun is the model name for a 36ft Cigarette....

Top Gun is a 38Cig,however there have been a small few 35 TG and I believe one 42 TG.
The old 36 is a wide body

[cashbrain]

This TG in the ad had to be made for the euro market...
It has Volvo's,Diesels, side exhaust, and a completely different cabin than I have seen before.This is not produced in the American market.Top speed 57 knots?can you say sllooowww

[Admiral P. Brain]

So you cant tell on build quality etc which is what the cig name is all about!!

bit slow but could you justify twin 500's at $7.70 a gallon ??
or diesel at $2.60 with twice the economy ??

[cashbrain]

I agree with you...fuel cost is a major factorand I could not justify$7.70 a gallon.

[Admiral P. Brain]

although your gas costs are going up pretty quick at mom?? could get a lot worse!!!

[cashbrain]

Everyone is freaking out at $2.20 a gallon for fuel..my guess is the gas docks will be $2.75..very expensive for here

[cashbrain]

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/5/0/60362050.htm

Here is the configuration of a Top Gun...

Even the cockpit is diffent in the one in Norway.
I wonder if the boat was shipped unrigged to Europe and finished there...

[phantomc92]

how much

[Admiral P. Brain]

should get you to cowes!! just!! hows she running now?

[Admiral P. Brain]

Swedish built Hightec 3900 version
... sounds to me like a different mould !!

[Admiral P. Brain]

Hopefully we will see you out there soon?? guess it will be us coming to the solent rather than you running to Poole ??

[cashbrain]

Originally posted by Admiral P. Brain
Swedish built Hightec 3900 version
... sounds to me like a different mould !!

So,that boat is a knock off??

[Corrado]

I would agree with cashbrain, either it was sent to Norway unrigged. or Possibly custom built in Florida of the client.
But im almost 100% certain that Cigarette Racing USA only builds its boat in the USA. The hulls that is. Ofcourse we know the are quite a few very nice Cigarettes running around Europe and behond.

[Corrado]

Ok, Ok. I think I can guess what this boat really is, Cashbrain help me out here.:D

If is a true, real Cigarette built on thunderboat row.
However it's is not a 2002 model. I maybe wrong. the Hull ID should verify this.

But what your looking at is an older Cig Top Gun perhaps that has been refitted and re-rigged in 2002 there at Hightec. Because the I don't see steps and the way the deck looks it looks like a 90's top gun.

In the USA we see ads like this all the time. People have the older boat re-rigged then they use that year in their ad, kind of leaving out the real hull manufacted date. Common.

That's not to take away from the boat at all , it looks like a real nice boat for sure. Hull ID should verfiy its real age.

its maybe a 90 thru 98 Cigarette top gun re-rigged in 2002.

I just looked at a nice Pantera like this. He called it a 2004 in the ad because it was re-rigged and totally redone in 2004, but the boat was really a 1984. You could not tell what year it was. ad said 2004, but after talking to the seller he said it was indeed a 84. He wasn't tring to faud anyone it was just how the ad was worded.

Call them and ask them, they might honestly not know, sure looks like a cig to me.

[Corrado]

I learn something new everyday.

This was posted on offshorepowerboat.com

38KV: posted

This boat have nothing to do with a Top Gun.
Hi-Tech 3900 was as far as I know a copy of the older Cig 39'
Not a bad boat at all, but not a Top Gun.
Hi-Tech was located in Lysekil, Sweden in the early 90's
Their program was:
Hi-Tech 3000, a 28' version a of a Cig Bullet
Hi-Tech 3900
Hi-Tech 5000 a 50 footer that I think was their own mold

The company moved to Florida in 92 and changed name to Nor-Tech.

[Admiral P. Brain]

very interesting.....! amazing what information can be found out..

do most people prefer the new stepped hull or the older non step.

I know a step can improve speed but make handling different but what about rough water capability/ride comfort??

[Tony Davis]

Originally posted by Matt
38KV is in sweden, we should get him to join up here.

Calm down Matt, he may not have wads of photo's of naked blonde women!!!:D

[Admiral P. Brain]

Tony
hows that cat going?? any pics?

[Tony Davis]

Wot cat, where, who, why?????

[Admiral P. Brain]

the one in your garage !! you got the promax in yet?? summers here... we want to see you out on the water!!

[cashbrain]

Personally,I like the traditional non-stepped hull..it's slower,but,more predictable and stable...

[Cookee]

Originally posted by cashbrain
more predictable and stable...

Never won a race! - But for a leisure application I can understand that school of thought!

[38KV]

If the boat is a High-Tech 3900 it can't be a 2002 since those where made between 1990 and 92.
I think it is a copy of a copy (splashed High-Tech), or a hull from the early 90's rigged in 2002.

It is not bad boat, not at all, but it is not a Cigarette :no:
A 1990 3900 with supercharged 454's is for sale here Sweden and that guy is asking € 60,000,
so I think the €140,000 pricetag is way to high as well.

I can't belive they're selling that boat as a true Cigarette.

[Admiral P. Brain]

I know I told the broker about mis-selling the name the other week... he hasnt replied...
It appeals due to the newdiesel engines (petrol's too expensive here!!) although unsure how reliable these would be tuned up so much??
check out http://www.padel.dk/turbochip_uk/index.htm

[Jon Fuller]

Here's a couple of pics for P Brain:

Top Guns at fort Apache, circa 2000

[Admiral P. Brain]

oooh like that top red one!!
thks John

[JASON]

400 hp that sounds a big increase for them motors,my 50 footer has 2 tamd 71a rated at 356 hp each we tweaked these up to 400 useing 36lbs boost and plenty fuel.So far they have lasted 2 years but one day there gona go bang!