Need some HELP

[Foolish]

Can anyone identify what "Drives" came out of : THESE HOLES :) (http://www.mybayliner.co.uk/boatmad/holes.jpg)

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[Jon Fuller]

I would say BMW or Volvo.

definitely not Merc, OMC or Yamaha

[jw.]

My Volvo drive uses 6 studs if that's any help. It doesn't mean there were never any which used 8, of course.

[Ice Kiddie]

OOoooo!

We know someone whose transom looks a bit like that! :bolt:

[Matt]

Feck Orf!!! :D

[Ice Kiddie]

Charming! :booty:

(You know who it is then? ;) )

[Tony Davis]

Having spent the last couple of days getting pretty intimate with a Volvo hole, I reckon that's a BMW!

[Foolish]

SECOND question :)

is there any way of fitting a "different" drive in in those holes (say mercruiser) without replacing the transom ? (adaptor plate ?)

or another that has a big enough "footprint" to cover the (confirmed) BMW holes ?

i have a number of varying drives/engines available but no BMW at the right price, so looking for other possible alternatives

http://www.mybayliner.co.uk/boatmad/holes.jpg

[Tony Davis]

Merc do a Volvo to Merc adaptor plate, and so does Mike Bellamy/Lansing Marine who may well do a BMW one as well!

The cheapest/easiest way, but not the prettiest is to bolt/laminate a 2" square over the hole and re cut for drive of your choice, sort of like a 2" standoff box!

Nothing else has a hole as big as a BMW! Yamaha and SX style Volvo both fit the Merc Hole!

[Foolish]

I do have access to CNC & "water jet" cutting , Would it be feasable to use perhaps 3/4 or 1" Aluminium plate ( even if i had to enlarge the existing holes a little) to construct an adaptor ring ?

similar to this:

http://members.cox.net/rdgrauman/AdaptorPlate.jpg

instead of

not the prettiest is to bolt/laminate a 2" square over the hole and re cut for drive of your choice

"And a couple more to mount the two V8 DETROITS ive just found to the drives :no:

[Jon Fuller]

The transom thickness needs to be 1.75"-2.25" (if my memory serves me right) as the two halves of the transom assy (inner & outer castings) have the drive shaft going through them at 12 degrees, a transom outide these dimensions will put the alignment out.

So your ali plate will work, as long as you pack the thickness up to 2" with ply, which would also give a little compression when the thing is tightened up, which would be a good thing.

[Foolish]

cheers jon for confirming this :)

it's a good project , definatley worth saving, although it's been robbed "slightly" over the past 18 months whilst in storage the majority is still intact
"Mrs Foolish" agree's it's cheap at £500.00 ( well nearly :well: )

A couple of extra pics :


INTERIOR (http://www.mybayliner.co.uk/boatmad/int.JPG)

EXTERIOR (http://www.mybayliner.co.uk/boatmad/ext.JPG)

[Foolish]

Assuming this is a 26 / 28 footer, is their anyone out there that could loan / hire me a trailer for 1 day to transport it home ? (boat yard has crane)

towing distance approx 6 miles to terminate in Woking (surrey)

where i will have a another crane waiting to lift it over the house (neighbours have been notified :D )

[OLD PHART]

IT TAKES AN OLDUN TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THE OLD CRAP THAT USED TO BE AROUND IN MY EARLY YEARS. THEY ARE OMC 800 OR EARLIER SERIES, THE TYPE WHERE FOR POWER THE ENGINE WAS RAISED ON THE FRONT BY ELECTRIC MOTOR AND PIVOTED ON THE TRANSOM WITH A RATHER LARGE NEOPRENE GASKET SCREWED TO THE TRANSOM AND HELD ONTO THE ENGINE WITH A HUGE HOSE CLIP. SOME HAD ELETRONIC SHIFTING OTHERS HAD A TWIN CABLE SYSTEM, ALL RATHER ADVANCED FOR THEIR YEAR BUT CRAP ALL THE SAME.

[Jon Fuller]

Now I'm confused! are they BMW, or are they early OMC?

Originally posted by Foolish
or another that has a big enough "footprint" to cover the (confirmed) BMW holes ?

I remember the old OMC you're talking about Bill, drive upper looked like an old dustbin with the washing machine bellows to the transom, and for tilt (as apposed to trim) it had that awful quadrant gear and knuckle drive, not unlike the one used on outboard tillers for the throttle linkage when folding the tiller handle up. (on old motors)

[OLD PHART]

THESE ARE NOT BMW AS BMW VERY SIMULAR TO VOLVO, THE ONLY CUTOUTS I'VE COME ACROSS THAT ARE MORE SQUARE THAN OBLONG ARE THE DREADED OMC 800 SERIES, AND AS YOU CORRECTLY SAY HAVE THAT AWFULL KNUCKLE DRIVE AND ELECTRIC LIFT ON THE EXPOSED RACK AND PINION QUADRANT.

THE BEST THING ABOUT THE 800 SERIES IS THERE AINT MANY OUT THERE NOW.

[Jon Fuller]

bIll, WhY aRe YoU tYpInG iN cApItAlS?

[Foolish]

"THE OLD CRAP THAT USED TO BE AROUND IN MY EARLY YEARS":aaahhh:

Just spoke to the owner again and he said he removed a pair of BMW 220's (last of ) and has the origional engine numbers - would this help ? (will post later )

Does anyone have any measurements of the BMW and/or the OMC 800 series that might confim this ?

[Foolish]

http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/F51540/

ok found it :)

http://www.bmwmarine.net/b190.htm

[Captain Chaos]

tullio abbatte priamist?

[Tony Davis]

The Abbattes were normally supplied with BMW's, and I would have thought were built much later than when the "washing machine" motors were OEM!

[Foolish]

Need some "Urgent" help .... The guy who is selling this won't give me a price range, just "make me an offer" ...So i am asking you (all of you) for an "honest" opinion of what you think its worth ????

The owner believes that it is "88 / 90 Tullio Abbatte" but i found (engraved in the fibreglass) "N=OF27-94" ....( possible "offshore 27 1994" ). On both port and starboard sides there are the remains of the numbering "16GE073D" , and the HIN appears to be "0120",

The Hull (although very dirty) is very sound ( fekin thick compared to my "binliner")
There are no stress cracks anywhere and although I only tested a small area the gell coat appears to polish well

It is missing "engines/drives & guages ( except speed/compass)... the cuddy is although "untidy" complete.
There is no trailer.

confirmed today that it was it was origionally fitted with BMW 220's and BMW drives that were removed and sold 18mth's ago and has been standing since (£100 per month yard fees)

NEED TO BID THIS WEEK, BUT HOW MUCH ?

All help appreciated.......... Foolish



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[Tony Davis]

I's go in really low and kick him in the nuts, coz no matter how cheap you think you bought it the feeling will soon disapear as you constantly hand over money to get it in the water!!!

What sort of motors/drives are you thinking of fitting?

[Foolish]

What sort of motors/drives are you thinking of fitting?

I am also negotiating on a pair of Mercruiser V8's & Drives from a "Fire Damaged" boat, (although i would prefer Diesels)

The Fire was onland and the boat is "Toast" the engine bay has remarkably little damage (very minor plastic distortion), I will of course RE-SEAL the engines & drives.
95% of the parts i need are included and appear servicable.



I's go in really low and kick him in the nuts

How low ???? £££££

I have a price in mind but would appreciate a couple of "Honest" opinions of what you think it's worth ?

[Johnny Rocket]

You could start by offering to take it away if he pays you a couple of hundred quid for your trouble. That would save him a grand over the next year!

:D

[Burty]

You sure you want it dude cus its left hand drive:D

[Tony Davis]

Originally posted by OLD PHART
IT TAKES AN OLDUN TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THE OLD CRAP THAT USED TO BE AROUND IN MY EARLY YEARS. THEY ARE OMC 800 OR EARLIER SERIES, THE TYPE WHERE FOR POWER THE ENGINE WAS RAISED ON THE FRONT BY ELECTRIC MOTOR AND PIVOTED ON THE TRANSOM WITH A RATHER LARGE NEOPRENE GASKET SCREWED TO THE TRANSOM AND HELD ONTO THE ENGINE WITH A HUGE HOSE CLIP. SOME HAD ELETRONIC SHIFTING OTHERS HAD A TWIN CABLE SYSTEM, ALL RATHER ADVANCED FOR THEIR YEAR BUT CRAP ALL THE SAME.

Originally posted by Foolish

confirmed today that it was it was origionally fitted with BMW 220's and BMW drives that were removed and sold 18mth's ago



I guess your memory is the first thing to go as you get old!!!!

:drain: :drain:

[Jon Fuller]

I'd be warey of the fact that it's clearly had a good deal of water sitting in it (tide mark in cabin) for god-only-knows how long! This could well have caused some long term problems as far as structures go.

That aside, I'd offer a grand if I was still prepared to take it on.

[Jon]

Im inclined to agree with you on this "Jonny - no - Strainers".

Id pay about a grand for it, just dont under estimate the amount of work ahead or cost for that matter.

Still it could make an interesting and nice boat with a little commitment on your bank managers behalf.

[Matt]

Honestly, I would give this one a body swerve due, at least due to the standing water it's obviously had in it. If you want a project, carly baby spotted a mid 80's formula 302 sr1 (called Formulator) at Port Solent that is probably in better nick, is complete with motors and drives, and has a cover on it so shouldn't be sitting full of water.

The motors might be knackered, but they're TRS drives with gearboxes which might well be OK. Best offer buys it, it's a marina repossesion - be quick though, not sure what the closing date for it is.

[Carl]

was thinking about that one today,must be nearly time up for that one.any one interested should call the marina manager at port solent,portsmouth. as for the tullio,i would leave it alone,but if you really fancy it,it needs to be free

[Foolish]

Discussed the "standing water" line/stain when i visited on Saturday with the yard owner ,

It had "apperentley" been moved (december) to it's current standing after a complaint from the owner who had to visit every 2 weeks to clear the blockage in the cuddy drain vents caused by leaves from the overhanging trees ( how much does a tarp cost ?? :confused: )

Unfortunatley i was unable to gain access to the cuddy (satuday) but will be checking more thoroughly on thursday ( when i hope to make an offer..... still :confused: )

How long before the "Damage" is is detectable ?
( maybe it's worth blowing some "hard-earned ££" on a "full survey") or will the real damage not show up for another year or so ?

[Jon]

"Standing Water":confused:

Thats an interesting point, cos most boats (mine included) always have at least an inch of water in the bilge until she comes out of the water and is drained out.

I would of thought that standing water would only be a problem to a badly constructed boat or if allowed to freeze during winter.

A survey might well be worth it if you are really set on this boat.

As for the Formula, thats unlikely to be purchased for anything like what your looking at here. IMHO of course.

Good Luck.:up:

[OLD PHART]

After seeing a decent photo from inside these are BMW and as the finished production in 1987/88 the boat will not be younger

[Matt]

It might, or it might not, sometimes ya just get lucky.
And you can't beat a fools luck. :D :D :D

Originally posted by Jon
As for the Formula, thats unlikely to be purchased for anything like what your looking at here.

[Carl]

bids for formulator have to be in by the 20th of july

[Jon]

Originally posted by Matt
It might, or it might not, sometimes ya just get lucky.
And you can't beat a fools luck. :D :D :D

Ive done a bit of bidding in my time on marina Repo's, and in my experience to date, if they dont make the going rate they are not sold. And as the fees owed are very likely to be considerable for a boat to be held as security, the marina's are unlikely to give the boat away unless it covers the costs they are owed. So if anyone is truly interested in this boat, offer the going rate cos bargains are for E-bay only.:D

[Jon]

As a matter of interest, what are Abbate's like?

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Jon
As a matter of interest, what are Abbate's like?

Very, very, VERY, blunt at one end, and quite pointed at the other.

[Foolish]

JON : the owner dosen't own the yard a penny , was just an estimate as to how much it had cost him over the last 18mths in storage,

Luckily the owner cannot make it this week so i have E-mailed
tullioabbatte.it and tullioabbatte.com (in italien & english) with all the details i have. (cheyenne is its origional name) hopefully they will at be able to at least confirm year of manufacture,

Originally posted by Jon
As a matter of interest, what are Abbate's like?

I like em and "Mrs Foolish" thinks it's kinda sexy to :moon: :boobs:

[Captain Chaos]

I've had this conversation with TD, but as the peeps who've met me know; i'm a forgetfull so & so!

Either way isnt ther 2 'Abbatte' co.s or sommink? All the ones i've seen look really pretty and the brochure i theived of the TAI (tullio Abbatte International) 17' & 22' make my mouth water!

finnish looks superb as well.

Oh, and James Bond used to have one :D

[Carl]

now chaos,im sorry to tell you that james bond isnt real,but mr.moore is:lol:lol: only kidding big fella

[Jon]

Originally posted by Foolish
JON : the owner dosen't owe the yard a penny , it was just an estimate as to how much it had cost him over the last 18mths in storage.

I like em and "Mrs Foolish" thinks it's kinda sexy to :moon: :boobs:


Foolish, my comment about the owner oweing the marina money was in reference to the Formula that Matt was on about. But i guess you know that now anyway. ;)

What seems nice about the Abbate's is the style and the fact that they are not common like Rings and Phantoms etc

Keep us posted mate.:up:

[Captain Chaos]

Originally posted by carly baby
now chaos,im sorry to tell you that james bond isnt real

Yeh! right oh Carl, next thing you'll be telling me that the fraggles were puppets & didnt really exist either, Or that the "neverending story" actually finished after 1hr 53mins. :booty:

[Carl]

they are very real and live on the iow:laugh:

[Foolish]

quoted as the "Ferrari" of the "Sea" :hugegrin:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.noleggiobarca.it/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwww.noleggiobarca.it/%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

GO FOR "FIRST VERSION" THEN THE "ITALIEN" FLAG

translated by "Google" :)

[Matt]

Any news mate? :cool:

[Foolish]

Sent the details to "Tai" boats ( Abbatte ) dealers and they said they would forward them to "Tullio"... apparently he has a big interest in their histories,

really difficult to trace :confused: as there is Abbatte, Abatte & Abbate, all looking similar and feckall about them.

Anyone know if i can trace it through "16GE073D" (6" port/starboard) , Obviously a registration number .. but who with ?

Under normal circumstances i wouldn't be so "wary" but why would you strip and sell parts from a perfectly good boat when it would be far more valuable complete :( .......The last thing i want is to get it "repossed" after i have restored it ... :aaahhh:

Will let you know if "T A" replies

[Ben]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos


Either way isnt ther 2 'Abbatte' co.s or sommink?

There is Bruno Abbate as well and he built the 'Primatist' range I believe.

I had the brochure and I seem to recall one very similar to the one Foolish has been talking about.

No longer have the brochure. It's been handed over to the next generation.

[Matt]

I'll check