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Just been checking out info on the UIM experimental class as raced in Turkey.
Class is for 225hp catamarans, ideally with canopies.
Further details at www.ioc-tr.com
photos from 2004
Jon Fuller
16-06-2005, 02:08 PM
so if you can't get a canopy, a roll cage will do! ...WTF:dizzy:
BluFin
16-06-2005, 10:28 PM
Great looking boats, but loose the enclosed cockpits..........I hate em! IMHO I ann't ever strapping myself in a boat, nor to a missile nor not an achor.
verytricky
17-06-2005, 03:50 AM
Originally posted by BluFin
Great looking boats, but loose the enclosed cockpits..........I hate em! IMHO I ann't ever strapping myself in a boat, nor to a missile nor not an achor.
I understand not strapping yourself to an anchor, and a missile, But why on earth would you not prefer a canopied boat?
BluFin
17-06-2005, 04:19 AM
Just dont like em. I have always be thrown clear.
Never been in one, dont want too. I suspect it gives you a great feeling of invincibility.
If side by side with a regular set up a canopy boat will win as the crew are more protected & will take for want of a better term, more risks I suspect.
It’s a totally nobbas point of view, based on the fact it’s just my own preference and bias.
To old for little boats & bigger one is required to be enclosed under 508 if over 2 ltr so pleasure boating it will be.
BluFin
17-06-2005, 04:23 AM
Originally posted by Jon Fuller
so if you can't get a canopy, a roll cage will do! ...WTF:dizzy:
Oh, Just worked it out , racing in shallow water, so you dont hit ya head on the bottom.....................No !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at the pics on the web site, to stop the people crewing getting run over by another boat. gulp !!!!!
Gotta say, i also dislike canopied boats.
Open boat racing is more enjoyable for both crew and spectators in my humble opinion.
Whatever motorised sport you look back at through history, the high risk pioneering days are always more exciting.
Anyone remember the early Russian open Space Rockets?
verytricky
17-06-2005, 04:57 AM
I dont like breaking things - Myself being first priority. I have seen a crash in Largs at about 70 mph, and the crew popped out of their V24 and actually helped in the recovery of the boat, with no damage to themselves.
I know another couple who crashed a week later at a lower speed and both were in hospital for a while, and when I saw them next they had briuses, pulled muscels, one broken arm and were still walking funny 4 weeks later.
Not that I intend to crash - but if I do I want to crash safely.
Gavin the Brown did a spectacular crash as navigator with 'a certain woman driver' in Cowes 2003, and just got wet. If it were an open boat would he have been as lucky?
Speed is the culprit here as is so often the case in motor sport. Money buys trophy's through faster engine outputs.
The speed is not a main consideration for the spectators as much as the quality & number of competitors participating are.
Open boat racing at restrictive speeds and large numbers of competitors is in my opinion a win win situation.
Jon Fuller
17-06-2005, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by Jon
Open boat racing is more enjoyable for both crew and spectators in my humble opinion.
Sorry, but I agree with Mr Tricky, once your speed is anywhere over mid sixties, it can all get very painful if things go wrong, and 80 plus!...Na, safety cell for me after that.
verytricky
17-06-2005, 05:27 AM
Originally posted by Jon
The speed is not a main consideration for the spectators as much as the quality & number of competitors participating are.
I race for me. Completely selfish. I want to beat the guy next to me and go as fast as possible. I dont really care about the spectators except when my parents come over, and then I place them in a boat on a turn mark.
I want to go as fast as I feel I can *safely* go. So at Ramsgate, I backed off ( except for the last 45 seconds... )
(I RACE FOR ME)
Yet you obviously dont take risks by opting for the safety cell.
I want to be a winner but i dont want to get hurt!
Does that sound like the stuff the worlds greatest hero's would say?
No Pain, No Gain.
Life is full of risks, we must accept that fact from the moment we are born. Risk and Gains are inextricably linked, the greater the risk, the greater the Reward. Thats not my rule, its just the way it is. Its why Steve Curtis (whilst accomplished) will never go down in History along side Cambell, Kneivel, Sheene, Lauda etc.
This does not mean that i advocate people putting their lives at risk, just that i would like to see the speed of the boats reduced in favour of open cockpit racing. I beleive that it is the only way the sport is going to appeal to a greater audience.
BluFin
17-06-2005, 05:47 AM
I don’t have an opinion either way, you choose how and what you want to race.
It doesn’t have to be fast (80+) to be competitive or spectacular.
If you wanna run an open boat why not it’s you ass at the end of the day & your choice. Oh! no they wouldn’t let that happen coz then there would be a weight advantage to non canopied boat.
You can get rid of the weight rule as well. If you choose a lightweight for calm days groovy, heavyweights for rough days.
If they/you want accident free races then slow the boats down by more regulation & restrictions.
Racing should improve the breed.
All about choice and easy applicability. Something the powers to be have forgotten possibly?
Jon Fuller
17-06-2005, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by Jon
This does not mean that i advocate people putting their lives at risk, just that i would like to see the speed of the boats reduced in favour of open cockpit racing. I beleive that it is the only way the sport is going to appeal to a greater audience.
wot a load of bolix!
Do you think F1 would be more popular if safety cells and racing harnesses were not allowed?
It's skill that wins races, not how big the driver thinks his balls are.
verytricky
17-06-2005, 06:35 AM
Originally posted by Jon
Does that sound like the stuff the worlds greatest hero's would say?
I've done the hero shyte, it is not all that it is cut out to be. What I do want is a nice *safe* race. It is supposed to be fun. It is supposed to be about us, and not the sponsors, organisers or even spectators....
Originally posted by verytricky
I've done the hero shyte, it is not all that it is cut out to be. What I do want is a nice *safe* race. It is supposed to be fun. It is supposed to be about us, and not the sponsors, organisers or even spectators....
Then go about you business and enjoy.
Originally posted by Jon Fuller
wot a load of bolix!
Do you think F1 would be more popular if safety cells and racing harnesses were not allowed?
It's skill that wins races, not how big the driver thinks his balls are.
I agree, Skill not speed needledick.
If your not convinced about the open cockpit stuff, have a look at Le mans this weekend.
Turn out says it all. Shallow Hal.
BluFin
17-06-2005, 06:48 AM
Anyway the point of this was Turkey
I think they got some nice looking boats there.
Who cares if there open or closed, drivers choice , quality of the racing is whats important. I just nice to have a choice thats all.
Captain Chaos
17-06-2005, 07:07 AM
I did notice that a couple of them boats have sneaked in the ole 'rude HO's. I nice 22hp advantage never hurt anyone :)
Jon Fuller
17-06-2005, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by Jon
I agree, Skill not speed needledick.
I think you'll find, the skill is being able to attain the speed!, sounds to me like you're a good candidate for sailing, going by your boat, and your ideals
Jon Fuller
17-06-2005, 07:14 AM
Originally posted by Jon
If your not convinced about the open cockpit stuff, have a look at Le mans this weekend.
Turn out says it all. Shallow Hal.
yeah, no enclosed cockpits there huh :dizzy: or safety cells :dizzy:
BluFin
17-06-2005, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by Jon Fuller
I think you'll find, the skill is being able to attain the speed!,
Mmh............ 18 year old nobba turns up a the Skater factory with $1million US. No boating history or a driving licence. He's gonna be going quick....No Skill.
Skill is in getting from the start to the finish, let alone trying to dock when ya fekken shattered & dehydrated.
:hugegrin:
Edit: you are 100% on the money is stating "It's skill that wins races, not how big the driver thinks his balls are"
When you have the skill & big balls thats "poetry in motion"
Edit 2: I ant got no Balls now ther just a couple of empty sacks; oops! was that to much info !!!!!!! :sick: :sick:
Captain Chaos
17-06-2005, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by Jon Fuller
It's skill that wins races, not how big the driver thinks his balls are.
Actually, point well made. I recall chatting to a friend who was an F1 nut-nut. He was telling me about a certain Eddie Irvine. Apparantly whlst at ferrari, they loved him coz he used to test their cars to destruction (thus providing oodles of data) as he most definatley had whatever it takes to be a top class driver.
However in a race situation....his jumbo ball sack used to fill with testosterone, all race plans went out the window and invariably alot of his races ended in crashes or (forced) mechanical failures,.
a certain boring fella called shumacher had the same motor and conservatively and intelligently raced his way to a world championship or 7!
Johnny Rocket
17-06-2005, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by Jon Fuller
Do you think F1 would be more popular if safety cells and racing harnesses were not allowed? Now that would be top entertainment! :D
Nah, 7 world championships is all luck - that's what I was at torquay anyway - and apparently I believe everything I'm told. :bang: :confused:
Originally posted by Captain Chaos
Actually, point well made. I recall chatting to a friend who was an F1 nut-nut. He was telling me about a certain Eddie Irvine. Apparantly whlst at ferrari, they loved him coz he used to test their cars to destruction (thus providing oodles of data) as he most definatley had whatever it takes to be a top class driver.
However in a race situation....his jumbo ball sack used to fill with testosterone, all race plans went out the window and invariably alot of his races ended in crashes or (forced) mechanical failures,.
a certain boring fella called shumacher had the same motor and conservatively and intelligently raced his way to a world championship or 7!
re canopies vs open in raceboats. Ya pays yer money and takes yer pick. I think canopies can look cool, and there's evidence that it can increase top speed, despite the weight increase, due to improved airflow characteristics over the deck.
Whether a canopy will save you - depends on the mechanism of the accident. Everyone talks about this being safer than that - but it's all subjective depending on the specifc set of condiftions leading up to, during and after the accident.
IMHO the canopy/safety cell improves the survivability of the crash, whether it be rolling or stuffing, compared to an open cockpit.
After the crash though, the canopy becomes a hinderance with hardnesses requiring undoing, canopies being opened, air supplies to connect up to etc.
Myself - In principal I would happily be in either.
What I do think is fkkn dangerous is that roll cage though.
Captain Chaos
17-06-2005, 08:18 AM
what i do thnk is fkin dangerous is driving something that weighs 3 bags of sugar @ 90mph on water in the 1st place..........its all a bit of a lottery after that innit!
You're such a baby Captain. Whose bottom lip was all aquiver in a 28' Phantom with Wozza driving, eh? :D :drain: :well:
Captain Chaos
17-06-2005, 08:34 AM
only on the way out............the return leg i was all pumped with excitement & adrenaline thinkin-up mad schemes with which to remove JWT from the helm so it could be my turn :D
now that WOULD BE FOOKIN dangerous!
roofer
17-06-2005, 08:35 AM
racing is definately a speed thing for me,i tried racing last weekend with an xr2 on my phantom and it bored the life out of me,so much so that the xr2 is gone and ive bought a new 2.5 powerhead to rebuild my old engine. :D
All pumped up with excrement more like. :D
Now, how many races per year are in turkey and do easyjet fly there?
Originally posted by Captain Chaos
only on the way out............the return leg i was all pumped with excitement & adrenaline thinkin-up mad schemes with which to remove JWT from the helm so it could be my turn :D
now that WOULD BE FOOKIN dangerous!
On a lake?
Originally posted by roofer
racing is definately a speed thing for me,i tried racing last weekend with an xr2 on my phantom and it bored the life out of me,so much so that the xr2 is gone and ive bought a new 2.5 powerhead to rebuild my old engine. :D
roofer
17-06-2005, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by Matt
On a lake?
in a submarine dock,i can run faster than an xr2 accelerates.
Maybe ya need a hydrostream or something, as well - ultra small ultra light.
roofer
17-06-2005, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by Matt
Maybe ya need a hydrostream or something, as well - ultra small ultra light.
trouble is im non of above :D
JamesM
17-06-2005, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by roofer
racing is definately a speed thing for me,i tried racing last weekend with an xr2 on my phantom and it bored the life out of me,so much so that the xr2 is gone and ive bought a new 2.5 powerhead to rebuild my old engine. :D
And 10 minutes later he posts this :confused:
http://www.boatmadforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2970
Make your mind up dude :D
roofer
17-06-2005, 01:02 PM
ah but johhny ive also bought a brand new block for my 260 today and some nice new shiny wiseco pistons to go with it
:D
JamesM
17-06-2005, 01:03 PM
Ah I see. Is the other one a race motor as you said it has a 5 petal front end
roofer
17-06-2005, 01:06 PM
no the one advertised is a 2.5 200
JamesM
17-06-2005, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by roofer
ah but johhny ive also bought a brand new block for my 260 today and some nice new shiny wiseco pistons to go with it
:D
Wow, new block :jaw:
Have you read this thread on S and F :eek:
http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85183
Originally posted by Johnny Boat Dude
Wow, new block :jaw:
Have you read this thread on S and F :eek:
http://forums.screamandfly.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85183
I have been following it it looks like in the end we will all need 4 strokes if they dont ban 2 strokes on the water there soon stop us buy not producing spare.
:brown:
roofer
17-06-2005, 01:57 PM
i reckon inboards are the way to go, reliable,easy to tune and you can fit a blower.
Yeah i fought of that way but then you really need a bigger boat ie space weight etc. I quiet fancy a 500hp cosworth engine in a p21 cor that would go sum and sounds the tits and there light engines to compared to the v8 s
roofer
17-06-2005, 02:07 PM
a small block chevy wouldn't take much more room up than the engine well,i think it would fit and carry the weight easily.
Burty
17-06-2005, 03:48 PM
like this:D
hutchy
17-06-2005, 03:56 PM
try 2
Burty
17-06-2005, 03:59 PM
or maybe just get a V12 lambo on throttle bodies:D
Burty
17-06-2005, 04:00 PM
a close up;)
Cookee
20-06-2005, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by Captain Chaos
I did notice that a couple of them boats have sneaked in the ole 'rude HO's. I nice 22hp advantage never hurt anyone :)
Just out of interest where do you get that information from?
Interesting how many rumours there are of engines pumping out all these great horsepower figures from stock!!
Certainly not seeing it myself
As far as the 225HO issue goes - AFAIK that came from a Johnrude salesman at the london boatshow earlier this year. What he actually said was that the 225HO has the same powerhead as the 250 standard, which on the spec sheet I saw stated 247hp. Hence the 22hp figure.
Whether it's true or not - who knows - could be all sales talk. Has anyone done a dyno comparision between the xr2, 200HO & 200xs?
And, were Dredge's engines only 150hp? :bolt: :drain:
Jon Fuller
20-06-2005, 02:39 AM
Dredge's engines!! ?????
do you mean JP?
Whoops! But they were dynoed at 150hp right?
Jon Fuller
20-06-2005, 02:45 AM
Originally posted by Matt
Whoops! But they were dynoed at 150hp right?
If they were 150hp, my arse is a Banjo!
I was just wondering - what's the max rpm of a stock 150 - 5800rpm? How much power does a 2.4BP/2.5efi type motor produce at 5800rpm?
Did hear that certain 150 ProMaxs were tested at no-more than max. recommended rpm ( quite reasonable - but maybe not max power) and with a very oil rich mixture, maybe a bit of adjustment to timing etc ...
Been some good dyno stories over the years.
MP blew a few motors on their dyno at Hamble - mind did'nt happen quite so often if they did not park the fork lift truck on the hose supply to the dyno!!
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