New British P1 team boat

[Red Devil]

Edit> Thread split by JF from 'for sale' section.

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The Red Devil is sadly for sale due to impending purchase of new boat for 'P1'

[Jon Fuller]

What are you getting?

[Red Devil]

Can't say just yet will be able to spill the beans early Sept when we have signed the contract for the new boat. But its something for P1, very sexy and very exciting! :banana:

[Jon Fuller]

Cool!

can you give away what power you're gonna run?


has the SR9 gone now?

[Red Devil]

Nah, got to keep you guessing! Promise will tell when I can..will be shot by the boss if I say a word...

SR9 went to a guy in Greece last year. They are running a very successful RIB series for F1 and F2 under BIBOA rules. He's doing really well and has upgraded the engines to 2 x2.5 Efi's on the back and is now doing easily 96mph and from the way he's testing I would hope will see 100mph one day!

He thrashed the field first time out and loves it! :devil: Not sure the other greeks are too pleased though! :booty:

[glen76]

i may know someone interested in ur hunton... any ideas on pride and ill speak to him saturday

[Matt]

Chaudron? :hugegrin:

Originally posted by Red Devil
Nah, got to keep you guessing! Promise will tell when I can..will be shot by the boss if I say a word...

SR9 went to a guy in Greece last year. They are running a very successful RIB series for F1 and F2 under BIBOA rules. He's doing really well and has upgraded the engines to 2 x2.5 Efi's on the back and is now doing easily 96mph and from the way he's testing I would hope will see 100mph one day!

He thrashed the field first time out and loves it! :devil: Not sure the other greeks are too pleased though! :booty:

[Jon Fuller]

Stop it yorke

[Captain Chaos]

forgetting the obvious..........i.e hull design/ styling blah blah.

are the chaudrons any good.........i.e built well?

[Jon Fuller]

dunno, doubt it

[Captain Chaos]

hairy muff

[Matt]

OK OK, let's give Jackie & Mike a chance to actually advertise the Hunton for sale!

[Foolish]

Hey "red devil"

if your occupation is true ... send me some deals :D

adrian@computer-repair-centre.com

[Megalomaniac]

:hugegrin:

What about a few piccy's ?

[Red Devil]

Patience, patience!!!! In a few weeks I promise. If I tell you anything too soon I will die a long, slow and painful death from the boss, and then there will be no boat! :aaahhh:

[Red Devil]

Hey "red devil"

if your occupation is true ... send me some deals

adrian@computer-repair-centre.com



Sure.....if you've got half a million to spare I can do a deal :D

[Mikey]

To put you all out of your misery, the boat we have purchased is a Dragon Powerboat.

Picture attached. You can get more information from www.dragonpowerboats.com

Mike & Jackie

[Mikey]

another picture

[Mikey]

and one from the inside

[Jon Fuller]

Very, very nice!

[Captain Chaos]

Agreed, looks awesome

[Ben]

From 'Buttercup' as the former owner (HIM) used to call the Hunton to one of Craig Barrie's finest.

Great choice!

[Mikey]

Here is the US race version of the boat which had it's first outing this weekend in New York!

[bert]

:jaw: thats a real stunning boat good luck

[Red Devil]

Thanks for all the positive comments. :banana:

Next year seems a very long way off but worth waiting for!

[Ben]

I'm guessing if you are going to do P1 you will be going with the 525 EFI's?

[Red Devil]

If we do supersport then yes, but if we do evolution, then maybe something larger :D

[Ben]

That would have been my next question. They don't mention the weight of the boat on their web site.

I was assuming the Dragon might be about the weight of the Donzi 38 who seem to be restricted to 525's as I understand the Evolution class is at 3.5kg/per hp. and Supersport is 4.5kg/hp I believe.

[Cookee]

How did it do in its first race Mike?

[Red Devil]

Hi Cookee


They came 6 out of of 12 but the boat had not even been in the water before and engine was still running in guardian mode so unable to rev at the required level.

Apparently it handled beautifully though and they were seeing an easy 90mph and its only going to get better!

Jackie

[Cookee]

Found the report on OSO - sounds like there is a hell of a lot to come - can't believe they beat half the fleet in guardian mode - the engines even shut off a couple of times if I read it right! Sure it's not going to be too fast? :D

[Red Devil]

Hi Cookee

Well if its too fast we'll just have to stick a canopy on and do Supervee - always an option!

As part of the P1 rules we have to add extra weight (see Ben's post earlier). Depending on which class we do, we will have to add a fair amount. As yet we're not sure what that would do to the top end.

:cry:

Nice to have that problem though!:banana:

[Jon Fuller]

At least then you could add the weight exactly where you want it!

[Red Devil]

:cool:

[K9 racing]

is that the same boat a member had on here known as "too old"?

[Red Devil]

Not sure ...do you have any details, could'nt find it on the forum?

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by K9 racing
is that the same boat a member had on here known as "too old"?
No, he has a Sutphen 39

[Red Devil]

Here is the US boat in full race colours!

[Jon Fuller]

Gorgeous!

[Captain Chaos]

I concur

[Ben]

Rumour has it there may be two more British teams joining P1 for 2006.

[infoasitappens]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ben
[B]Rumour has it there may be two more British teams joining P1 for 2006.

And at least 2 crews doing the Middle East championship in 6 ltr

[roofer]

Originally posted by infoasitappens
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ben
[B]Rumour has it there may be two more British teams joining P1 for 2006.

And at least 2 crews doing the Middle East championship in 6 ltr

One of them is a member of this forum.

[Cookee]

Originally posted by roofer
One of them is a member of this forum.

Is it a secret?

[hutchy]

secrets, wot on here

[Jon Fuller]

Any news guys?

[Red Devil]

Hi!

The boat does look like a boat now and not a Blue Peter project! It is just about to go into the paintshop and then we are over there shortly to make final decisions on rigging etc.

We'll take a few pictures and post them on the forum.

With any luck we will be out testing in the States end of Feb with the boat being over here late March early April. Unfortunately things were a little delayed due to the hurricane ( the tornado just missed the boat shed by a mile!) the resulting powercuts etc caused some problems as you can imagine.

If you have a look at www.extremeboat.com you'll be able to see some pictures of the build.

Will keep you posted! :devil:

[verytricky]

I bought V69 from someone who will race P1 in 2006. Does that help?

This may be in addition to the existing British entries, or it may be one of them.

[kinfast]

Just a note after all these fantastic mph's mentioned, P1 Super
Sport regs limit top speed to 80mph and 95mph for evolution.
So any faster is a waste & leads to penalties. Just thought it was worth a mention!

[Red Devil]

You're right. To keep the racing under 'Pleasure navigation rules' they have to limit the speed somehow. This year it will be based on an average speed and not top speed so should be interesting!

A huge amount of the boats racing are capable of well over 100mph but P1 are trying to prevent 'cheque book' racing and thus limiting speed. In theory this limits cost and prevents it going down the same route as Class 1. Whilst its a bit frustrating it does mean more boats get out there to race as it is more affordable.

The boats are not limited to racing in just P1 either, if they bring back Cowes Torquay Cowes then there would be a very competitive and fast fleet of boats just itching to do that!

:duell:

[Mikey]

The boat has finally made it out of the paint shop!

[Mikey]

Another one ...

[Mikey]

and another ...

[WAVEJUMPER]

:facelick:

[Ben]

Very nice. Have you made your choice for engines and drives?

[Mikey]

Twin 525 Mercury :facelick:

I can't tell you about the drives until the season start tho :(

[cfun]

I am a big offshore fan and have been since the age of 10 and therefore look foreward to the coming P1 season with the growing British boats and crews, and it is fantastic that Boat racing is finally making a come back thanks to P1. The reason why I said the above is i don't want people thinking I am not a greatfull fan......but......personally I think the rules suck, I don't belive in loading boats with loads of weight to fit a speed rule, racing is about the best that technoledgy has to offer so if one takes a base line ie 3.5kg per 1 hp we have for 525hp 3850kg not 4250, the problem lies in the fact without weight loading the speeds would be well over 100, secondly I dont belive if you double the power you should double the weight of a petrol boat no formula for land sea or air has ever shown doubling power gives you twice the speed, there are formulas showing % ratios for such. Diesel boats have a large advantage over normally asperated petrol boats when hauling along there overgown weight, 900hp, 6300kg due to there enormous torque, poss double that of the stated hp, a petrol lambo is likely to make much less torque than hp, thereby there is a huge disparity.
I would have thought if you require boats to be no faster than x, then limit power not load them like a tanker. I know my outspoken views will not be liked and neither may they be totally accurate, just my thoughts. anyway I look forward to the racing:jaw:

[Cookee]

cfun - I thought I would "fill in a few blanks" for you - the reasoning behind the restrictions is that the UIM (rightly or wrongly) consider an average of over 95 mph too dangerous for non canopy boats, and that is part of the attraction of P1, although some of the boats are very close to having canopies !

Just to correct your maths a little 2 X 525 is 1050 multiplied by 3.5 is 3675 kilos. for Evolution or 4725 for Super Sport.

I can see where you are coming from, but I think that the class structure was designed so that existing boats and in particular engines would be eligible to race without too much modification - I think this was necessary to get the class off the ground to begin with.

I hope you enjoy the seasons racing, and if you visit any of the National races this year come and say hi! :D

[cfun]

Thanks Cookee had a bad calculator moment it was burning this afternoon on import weights and sizes but clearly not on engines, for P1. I do agree the speed restriction must have been much needed from many points of view. Just felt loading the boats with weight was not an ideal solution as USA boats with, 525hp and I belive 3633kg have achieved speeds of 114 although not in a race. So perhaps if 95 was the desired speed a much lower hp should have been looked at rather than load the boats with weight, that looks even worse as the hp increases, talking petrol here not diesel ie 900hp 6300kg I assume bit of a heavy lump

[cfun]

Just noticed on the P1 site that Red Devil is entered in super sport, which of course means more weight, on reflection it may seem I was having a go at Red Devil, but I can assure you I was not, I was just passing a comment yesterday about P1 original origins ie for the older maybe CUV type Ali Boats that were lying around from the great old mono days, which may have been slower and heavier than todays light composite designs, and therefore maybe there should have been a review of weight+engine type v speed especialy considering the speed restriction in both classes. ps... good luck Red devil if you drive it like the rib you should do well

[Red Devil]

No offence taken.

Its always a difficult one to balance for the organisers i.e competitors needs, sponsors needs, safety etc etc. I am sure there are a 101 ways to do it. I'm just happy to be out there racing in such a great boat and enjoying some good racing!

Thanks for the kind comments re the RIB :D We'll be doing our best!

...now I just need to come up with a new name, now the true Red Devil has gone to Mark ;p; Pink Devil just does'nt have the same feel to it :aaahhh:

[Ben]

Since the boat was born in Fla. it could always be 'Pink Flamingo' or you could incorporate the gender of your co-driver and name it after a famous old US drag car 'Dragon Lady' ;)

[Red Devil]

Actually I am the lady...don't think Mike would like 'Dragon Lady' :jaw:

[Ben]

Typo. Meant to type "the" co-driver.

[Jon Fuller]

Wasn't there a Velocity called 'Dragon Lady'?

[Ben]

Yes there was now that you mention it. It was a 33 (35 w/o the bathing platform) powered by twin 550s that ran in "B" Class.

It's on one of the Freeze Frame videos.

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Ben
It's on one of the Freeze Frame videos.

Yes, also I think, on one of the Velocity promotional videos

[Scottb]

There was a canopied Fountain called Dragon Lady that later became INSTIGATOR

[Mikey]

We finally got the boat wet!

Thanks to Howard Mathurine for the picture!

[Jon Fuller]

A wee snippet of Dragon video. Apparently running 110mph.

http://media.putfile.com/Dragon-32

[littlenige]

:jaw:

That is just beautiful. Shame this pic doesn´t come with sound!

[Matt]

The boat looks even better in the flesh. The pearl really picks up the light. And the motors sound fantastic.

[Mikey]

Originally posted by littlenige
:jaw:

That is just beautiful. Shame this pic doesn´t come with sound!

As if by magic ... here are some with sound
(taken by mobile phone so picture quality is rubbish, but sounds great ;)


http://www.extremeboat.com/news_videos2.htm

[Burty]

is it just me or do the videos only last like a quarter of a second?

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Mikey
As if by magic ... here are some with sound
(taken by mobile phone so picture quality is rubbish, but sounds great ;)


http://www.extremeboat.com/news_videos2.htm

When your next back in the country with the boat, we need to shoot a proper video of it running to post here!

And mebbe some on-board footage from the Cowes event.

[Johnny Rocket]

Originally posted by Jon Fuller
When your next back in the country with the boat, we need to shoot a proper video of it running to post here! Wouldn't it be cool if you could get a gin palace to use as a camera boat, and film some gnarly high-speed close passes! :D

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Johnny Rocket
Wouldn't it be cool if you could get a gin palace to use as a camera boat, and film some gnarly high-speed close passes! :D

Don't be ridiculous! that would be highly dangerous, foolhardy, and 'dumb ass'!
Anyone who saw us doing that would be well with their right to throw fish hooks in our faces for being such shmucks.
Just think of the implications with everyones insurance!!!

Please don't make any more silly suggestions, you stupid boy. (pike)

[Red Devil]

Yes, that would certainly be a very 'naughty' thing to do :banana:

Will let you know when the boat is back from Italy and we'll organise something as that would be great!

I think we are going to try to make the drivers wharf poker run in June if we can, its a week before the German GP so it may be tight but we'll see.

Will let you know how we get on in Malta, with only a few hours real driving time its going to be very interesting to see how she goes in a race. Hopefully we'll kick ass! :booty:

[Jon Fuller]

Cool! Look forward to it. :cool:

[cfun]

Congradulations on your win, in your first race, WOW, bet that rocked the competition a bit, good luck for round 2, see being loaded like a tanker had no effect on you whatsover !!!