Clean Burn Engines

[Wayne Kerr]

Lads;
I have heard that the rules now state you must run Clean Burn Engins, whats the FULL details?

[Dangerous]

Only for f3 up to 150hp i beleive

[Wacky Racer]

Still under review for F3, brought up at the forum, not every one can afford a clean burn engine, how are we going to get people into our sport if they have got to buy a new opti etc, the rule was (prior to the forum) up to 150 Hp, no mention of DFI engines etc, have to see what they come up with !!!!!!!!!!!

[Dangerous]

Wacky do you know when this is going to be decided ? Also, do you know how heavy Dereks p20 is , and how fast it runs with the 150 on it?

[Wacky Racer]

Will talk to Derek tomorrow should be able to let you know tomorrow, Got a chap in our club that was looking to run a P18 or 20 with a 98 150 Merc on it, hopefully they will see sense, maybe ok for Euro champs to run only clean burn engines, but not in our national series.

[Wayne Kerr]

Sorry lads, but the way I understood it was; This is what we're doing, if you don't like it, TUFF!

Please let me know if this is the case or not !!!!!!

[Wacky Racer]

Meeting tomorrow will post results of as soon as

[Wayne Kerr]

Originally posted by Wacky Racer
Meeting tomorrow will post results of as soon as
Wacky,
What news Amigo?

[Wacky Racer]

Still waiting for news let all know asap

[Wayne Kerr]

Originally posted by Wacky Racer
Still waiting for news let all know asap
Bit rapidless on the reply front your 'guv-nin' body ain't they. :zzz:

[Wayne Kerr]

Originally posted by Wacky Racer
Still waiting for news let all know asap
Still no news ???? :headbang:

[MIKE HUNT]

THE OFFICAL FOR FORMULA 3 IN SKI RACING AS OF FOR SEASON 2006 ANY 150 HP RATED ENGINE,SO ANY ENGINE WITH 150 HP ON THE BLOCK/COVER,ANY EASY WINS WILL BE LOOKED AT BY SCRUTINEERS!!!WILL CLASS SO OLD 150`S NEW CLEAN BURN 150`S AND FOUR STOKE WILL ALL RUN IN ONE CLASS AS FORMULA 3,WE IN BRITAN ARE HOPING TO PERSUADE EUROPE TO ADOPT THIS RULING 75% OK AT MO!.AS FOR ANY XR2 OUR CLUB CLASS IS NOW OPEN CLASS WHICH MEANS ANY BOAT WITH ANY ENGINE OR ENGINES!,SO THIS MEANS XR2 BOATS CAN RACE IN OPEN CLASS BUT THEY COULD BE UP AGAINST 2.5 OR TWIN XR2`S OR WHATEVER AS LONG AS IT PASSES SCRUTINEERING IT WILL RACE,OR RACE IN THERE AGE CATAGORY,BUT YOU CANNOT SKI IN ANY OTHER FORMULA IN THAT SEASON AND DROP BACK TO OPEN CLASS,SO SKING F2 FOR 1 RACE IN 2006 AT ANY TIME DURING THE SEASON,MEANS YOU CANNOT RACE IN OPEN CLASS,HOPE THIS CLEARS UP ANY QUESTIONS FOR RACERS THIS IS FROM THE OFFICAL MEETING!!!

[Wayne Kerr]

Originally posted by MIKE HUNT
THE OFFICAL FOR FORMULA 3 IN SKI RACING AS OF FOR SEASON 2006 ANY 150 HP RATED ENGINE,SO ANY ENGINE WITH 150 HP ON THE BLOCK/COVER,ANY EASY WINS WILL BE LOOKED AT BY SCRUTINEERS!!!WILL CLASS SO OLD 150`S NEW CLEAN BURN 150`S AND FOUR STOKE WILL ALL RUN IN ONE CLASS AS FORMULA 3,WE IN BRITAN ARE HOPING TO PERSUADE EUROPE TO ADOPT THIS RULING 75% OK AT MO!.AS FOR ANY XR2 OUR CLUB CLASS IS NOW OPEN CLASS WHICH MEANS ANY BOAT WITH ANY ENGINE OR ENGINES!,SO THIS MEANS XR2 BOATS CAN RACE IN OPEN CLASS BUT THEY COULD BE UP AGAINST 2.5 OR TWIN XR2`S OR WHATEVER AS LONG AS IT PASSES SCRUTINEERING IT WILL RACE,OR RACE IN THERE AGE CATAGORY,BUT YOU CANNOT SKI IN ANY OTHER FORMULA IN THAT SEASON AND DROP BACK TO OPEN CLASS,SO SKING F2 FOR 1 RACE IN 2006 AT ANY TIME DURING THE SEASON,MEANS YOU CANNOT RACE IN OPEN CLASS,HOPE THIS CLEARS UP ANY QUESTIONS FOR RACERS THIS IS FROM THE OFFICAL MEETING!!!
So are you saying that XR2's, 150 Opti's, 150 Rude's & 150 4 stroke's are all OK to run in F3? 2.5ltr & 2.0ltr same class !!!
Is there no limit on "cc" just "hp"?
The Rude E-Tec weight is only 419lbs, the Merc 4 stroke is 510lbs!
Whats the full engine rules for F3?
Do you not have the rule that any engine used must be available for "Joe Public" to purchase ? :confused:

[Wacky Racer]

You can't run a XR2 in F3, they are 200 hp, any standard 150 hp (out of the box) engine regardless of cc

[Wayne Kerr]

Originally posted by Wacky Racer
You can't run a XR2 in F3, they are 200 hp, any standard 150 hp (out of the box) engine regardless of cc
As I understood it, XR2's were rated at 150!
A bit of messing got 200!
I maybe a bit cock-eyed here ,,,,, but !!!!!! :confused:

[Wacky Racer]

First Merc XR2 Black Max 150 manufactured about 85 to 87 are ok as they produced 150 HP. XR2 sport, offshore mid etc about 190 HP, serial numbers will be checked as to engine compliance, so no old black max 175's with 150 covers etc.

[Wacky Racer]

XR2 150

[Dangerous]

So a 2.5 efi with a 150 cover is out of the question then! Back to the drawing board .

[MIKE HUNT]

AS STATED ANY 150 HP ENGINE WILL RUN IN F3,ITS UP TO THE COMPETITORS IF THEY WANT AN OMC RUDE OR JONNY OR A 4-STOKE HONDA OR A 15 YEAR OLD MERC THATS UP TO THEM BUT ALL 150HP RATED ENGINES NO MATTER THERE CC WILL RUN,NO NEW RACE XR2`S BUT ANY WINNER BY A LONG WAY WILL BE LOOKED AT VERY CLOSLEY.

[Wayne Kerr]

So it looks like it will be a Clean Burn fleet then!
Can't see a 20yr old Merc :no: holding up against the modern stuff for a whole season.

[Dangerous]

Dont forget that most of the venues can be quite rough so i doubt if there is gonna be a lot of boat racing anyway!

[Wayne Kerr]

Originally posted by Dangerous
Dont forget that most of the venues can be quite rough so i doubt if there is gonna be a lot of boat racing anyway!
Ain't that "Par for the Course"!
No one control's the weather ,,,,, not even the RYA!

Clean & Green fleet then is it?

[JamesM]

Originally posted by Wacky Racer
so no old black max 175's with 150 covers etc.

I believe the 175 was a crankshaft rated motor and so put out 150 at the prop. I thought they no longer produced a 175 after they started rating them at the prop as it effectively became the 150.

[JamesM]

Originally posted by Wayne Kerr
So it looks like it will be a Clean Burn fleet then!
Can't see a 20yr old Merc :no: holding up against the modern stuff for a whole season.

A well put together 150 merc would be a lot lighter and could potentially be quicker than the modern stuff. 150 mercs come in 2.0, 2.4 and 2.5 configurations too!!!

[JamesM]

It would be alot thirstier though so the weight saving could be offset by the extra fuel that would need to be carried.

[MIKE HUNT]

who stated or questioned any 175 hp motor,as stated before if it has 150 hp on the powerhead/engine cover of any make year mobel it is f3 a 175 is not f3 as it has 175 hp on the cover,this may seem easy to fiddle but if any boat wins to far out in front the engine will be looked at very closley any team or indibvidual breaking this or any other hp (or in other formulas cc) ruling will be dealt with by the racing committee and if found guilty banned its as simple as that,you are just helping the committe look for the cheats or people who like to try and bend the rules!!!

[JamesM]

All I was saying is the old 175 is a 150 when rated the way they rate motors these days. If you were to take a 1981 175 and a 1982 150 they would be the exact same motor except the for the number on the cowl, as 1982 is the year merc started rating their motors at the prop shaft rather than the crankshaft. I don't think there was a 175 blackmax after 1981.

[Bazza]

Phew!!!!!!!!!!! thats sorted then:bang:

[OCRDA]

What happened to F3 being up to 2 Litre then !! Bit early to start talking EPA !!

[Wayne Kerr]

Originally posted by OCRDA
Bit early to start talking EPA !!
There you go again Bob, It's here mate, the legislation is in place. Move with the times or bail-out. :duell:

[OCRDA]

Five more years at least !!

Check the rules !!

[Wacky Racer]

F2 & F3 Classes now rated on horsepower to take into account new engines with higher cc ratings, we are basically following Europe and what they have put in place, Trying to get F3 in Europe to be any 150 hp engine, rules seem to state clean burn only, but it only arrived on the website a couple of months ago. I feel this change has mainly been brought about by Nico and the X class they are running in the Euopean Cup races and Euopean Nationals, This year was the last year for the XR2 in Europe F3, and then they had a separate class for it F3s.

[Wayne Kerr]

Originally posted by OCRDA
Five more years at least !!

Check the rules !!
Well, blow-me-down!
Where do I check? :confused:

[Wayne Kerr]

Originally posted by Wayne Kerr
Well, blow-me-down!
Where do I check? :confused:
No reply to date mate!!!!!:wank:

[OCRDA]

Appologies for delay but struggled to find it .

Anyway the specific OCR engine Ruling as you know is as per the AGM 2002 in Wales which I believe was granted an extention until 2007. (This had no relation to Green Engines) and as yet Green / epa engines have still not been discussed by the OCR committeee or at an AGM .



CHAIRMAN: Bob Baker 01959 533120

September 2002

Re: Future class structure of OCR
At last years AGM we discussed the future of OCR classes and engines. It was decided and agreed that we would seek to gradually phase out the 2 litre class and move forward as follows:
1. No new entries would be permitted into the 2 litre class after the end of 2002 and any combination of rig not raced this year would not be permitted to race in 2003.
2. From the beginning of the 2003 season the current 2 litre class will adopt the prefix of X class.
3. A class will be 1850cc 2 stroke or 2200cc 4 stroke with minimum 18 foot, 575kg boats experimental for approx 3 years. Standard production engines will be sealed from new.
4. From the beginning of the 2003 season the current C class (1350cc) will become B class with 1350cc 2 stroke or 1600cc 4 stroke engines, again experimental for approx three years. Minimum weight to remain as is.
I am pleased to report that at yesterdays Offshore Racing Committee (ORC) meeting, the above proposal was accepted. Rule B82 in PB1 states, in paragraph 2, “No changes may be made to the class engine limits (either overall or between sub-divisions) without giving competitors a minimum of six months notice.” The implementation date of these changes is therefore the 5th March 2003.
We also discussed the introduction of a 1000cc “starter” class, to become the new C class, a working paper is underway and will hopefully be ready for the next ORC meeting.

OCR can now move forward knowing where we are going and as important letting others know where we are going. Spread the word , tell people all about it, there is much homework to do on the engines which are available and plenty of opportunity for serious competition between manufacturers. Good luck.


All the best,

Bob Baker


Whilst we no longer Technically come directly under UIM Rules we have always taken guidelines from their rules and as such we agreed with their epa compliance which can be found on the following

link.http://www.uimpowerboating.com/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4916-164494-181711-87063-0-file,00.pdf

If you can't find the minutes of the AGM that first discussed this I am sure I could find it and forward it to you.

If you are still unsure or have further questions please email or call me.

Bob

[OCRDA]

Sorry UIM link go to page 167