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SeaPee
24-11-2006, 12:54 AM
Any news on what the new regs are likely to be? I have seen some I would like to buy but don't want to until I know if they will be Ok

Wacky Racer
24-11-2006, 05:04 AM
Helmets to be to BS6658 or higher. Snell standards M200, M2005, or better still SA 2000, SA 2005 and also the new CE motorcycle standards. (ECE22-05). If you have either an ACU green or gold sticker, ECE sticker or BS green or blue sticker on your helmet; no problem. Helmets must be fluorescent orange,
if painted letter fom manufacturer to say it's ok to paint, and what with. Basically the same as the RYA.

Bazza
24-11-2006, 05:35 AM
How come its fluorescent orange all of a sudden, at the forum it was stated if you had the minimum rating motorbike kite marked you would probably be ok. We have never HAD to be fluorescent so is that a change to the 2007 rules, if so i suspect 90% of hemets in use will need to be relaced.

Wacky Racer
24-11-2006, 08:39 AM
RAL colours to come from Howard, will post as soon as I know, as all who attended the forum knows, rules are being revised as we speak.

Bazza
24-11-2006, 08:56 AM
Exactly as i remember the conversation at the forum, so dont panic or rush for aerosols yet!!

fastun
25-11-2006, 05:42 AM
Is there ever any changes to bring the cost of the sport down?

Burty
25-11-2006, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by fastun
Is there ever any changes to bring the cost of the sport down?

Can't put a price on your head dude

fastun
26-11-2006, 10:40 AM
No I appreciate the safety side, especially when you see some of the tat that people call safety helmets!

Just a few of the other rules seem a little tight.. anyways, any news on where we can get the helmets from? Any people willing to offer their sources :)

Thanks!

Bazza
27-11-2006, 01:28 AM
Checked out the specification of our helmets and they have all the relevant
ECE22-05 AND Gold sticker, manufactured by Takachi and were i beleive about £50 - £60 each either full face or open, in red. Dont know the RAL colour they are, so will have to await new colour directive, but they are available in motorcycle retailers.

SeaPee
27-11-2006, 02:02 AM
Thanks Bazza, the Takachi are the ones I was hoping to get

Wacky Racer
18-01-2007, 08:56 AM
Please all read your entry pack, helmet colour is flame orange, no red

Quote:

1. Competitors are reminded that it is mandatory to wear a helmet made to a minimum of BS6658.B or a similar standard to include UN ECE22-05, and snell M2000, M2005, in flame orange.

gar163y
18-01-2007, 09:11 AM
Wacky, will you be "stickering" helmets at the first race?

Wacky Racer
18-01-2007, 09:28 AM
Yes

gash
21-01-2007, 10:14 AM
if the rule states flame orange do all those with fluo hav to change it to flame u its not the same as the rule:argue: :argue:

MIKE HUNT
21-01-2007, 10:23 AM
flame orange or flo orange will do if you look at the stilo or pelter helmets they are both ok as long as its not a matt finish it will pass and of course that it is to bs6658 or above for stilo helmets speak to mark or tessa at prima motorsport in poole 01202661034 they can sort you out

gash
21-01-2007, 10:38 AM
they hav 2 make there minds up the rule says flme orng not fluo this is y i dnt srut any more

andymac
22-01-2007, 01:00 PM
takachi helmets are £39 from blackbushe market

JamesM
22-01-2007, 02:14 PM
As far as I'm aware you don't pay VAT motorbike helmets, correct? The Prima Motorsport site seems to sell only car and power boat helmets and states the prices for their helmets are excluding VAT. So do you have to pay VAT on helmets that are intended to be used in applications where it isn't a legal requirement to wear a helmet? In short:

Motorbike helmet, legal requirement, VAT exempt?

Car or boat helmet, no legal requirement, not VAT exempt?

:confused:

OCRDA
22-01-2007, 02:39 PM
As far as I'm aware you don't pay VAT motorbike helmets, correct? The Prima Motorsport site seems to sell only car and power boat helmets and states the prices for their helmets are excluding VAT. So do you have to pay VAT on helmets that are intended to be used in applications where it isn't a legal requirement to wear a helmet? In short:

Motorbike helmet, legal requirement, VAT exempt?

Car or boat helmet, no legal requirement, not VAT exempt?

:confused:


Yes !! You have to insist they are for Motorcycle use.

Bob

SeaPee
23-01-2007, 12:22 AM
I thought that the nearest coulour that the takachi helmets were available in was red and from the posts it seems that for drivers and observers in ski-racing they should now be flame orange. Can anyone clarify please?

Bazza
23-01-2007, 06:22 AM
Just spoken to the nice lady at www.primamotorsport.com and the price is £362+vat open face £352+vat full face. These helmets come complete with built in intercoms, you have to buy an offshore pack presumably to power them do not know cost of that, lost interest!!!
This is all a bit sudden and some may think a tad expensive when you consider previous acceptable helmets, mine have every relevant kite mark but wrong colour,
I know the answer will come back that its a small price to pay for safety, however £838.95 with VAT for a pair of helmets will break a few teams budget and i fear also their involvement.

Surely there are alternatives available.

OCRDA
23-01-2007, 06:37 AM
There are plenty of alternatives !! Any helmet providing it is GRP or Composite can be painted Orange !! The best ones i came across at the Autosport show were the Sparco Formula for about £180 ish!! (Dont forget they are for Motorcycle use).
The Stilo are quite heavy & I didnt think very comfortable, The Stilo Intercom base unit is about £380 + Vat but still not very good if the plugs etc get wet.
The Orange Sparco may be available later in February & is due tom be replaced by the more expensive Carbon one in May !!
If you can put an order together for 10 or more Sparco say they could do us an Orange production run & give some discount !
They also told me that any of the helmets with built in (Headphone Style) intercoms are made by Peltor but that may depend who you talk to.

Bob

PS You cant put a price on Safety !!

Dangerous
23-01-2007, 11:59 AM
I did'nt think you could paint the helmets for safety reasons. Or am i wrong?

OCRDA
23-01-2007, 12:10 PM
I did'nt think you could paint the helmets for safety reasons. Or am i wrong?

You can't if they are made of Plastic (Polycarbonate) but you can if they are GRP.
After all that is how they make them different colours in the factory !!

Bob

Burty
23-01-2007, 12:25 PM
So whats everyone else doing then? looks like i need a new helmet but don't want intercom etc as i already have my own. All new motorbike helmets seem to have wind deflectors etc on the back so dont think really any good for the boat

Dangerous
23-01-2007, 12:31 PM
Waiting to see if i find a skier before partin with any Stella money! Thats what i'll be doin.

nigelk
23-01-2007, 01:36 PM
The Takachi ones at £39 sound good to me. In red? but if they can be painted?

My existing helmet has the right kite marks, (its over 5 years old, but thats only a recommendation) but I cant prove that it was ok to paint it !!?? :bang:

Burty
23-01-2007, 02:01 PM
same as me dude. tis a right pain but then safety first

JamesM
23-01-2007, 02:16 PM
but then safety first

Seems the constant nagging from the health and safety people at my work really has started to wear you down, next you'll be wearing your seat belt!!! :D

Burty
23-01-2007, 02:23 PM
Seems the constant nagging from the health and safety people at my work really has started to wear you down, next you'll be wearing your seat belt!!! :D

but i still walk along whilst using my mobile and carry items in my hands whilst using the stairs:D

nigelk
23-01-2007, 03:07 PM
Exactly :argue:

How many drivers/observers have been injured through wearing 'inferior' helmets ???

I'm old enough to have learned to drive without having to wear a seat belt. My first car didn't even have seat belts in the back !

I'm all for safety, and as has already been said "You cant put a price on your scull", but.....just so we cant sue the BWSF/RYA for not trying their best :flame: Health & Safety gone mad !

Perhaps we should limit the speeds to a gentle trawl ? Wouldn't want to put anyone in danger or get too much adrenalin rushing around. :bolt:

Burty
24-01-2007, 01:12 AM
Don't get me wrong i'm happy to purchase one but where can i get one that is full face without intercom!!! and already orange or able to be painted orange at reasonable money????

gar163y
24-01-2007, 01:59 AM
Have you tried this site LifelineJackets.com. They also sell Bell open and full face helmets painted at the factory.

gar163y
24-01-2007, 02:04 AM
That link didn't work for some reason but a Mag 4 open face in orange is $260.00.

OCRDA
24-01-2007, 02:17 AM
That link didn't work for some reason but a Mag 4 open face in orange is $260.00.

http://www.lifelinejackets.com/

Only $285 for an orange Full Face !!

Bob

Burty
24-01-2007, 08:47 AM
thats seems like a good deal, its a little risky though cus what happens if it dont fit?

OCRDA
24-01-2007, 08:54 AM
thats seems like a good deal, its a little risky though cus what happens if it dont fit?

If there are enough people to order a quantity then we may get a better deal & more chance they will all get one that fits !! if we end up with a couple of spare ones they will soon sell !!

Bob

Burty
24-01-2007, 08:57 AM
If there are enough people to order a quantity then we may get a better deal & more chance they will all get one that fits !! if we end up with a couple of spare ones they will soon sell !!

Bob


Right o, so who wants one then??

ME
JBD

roofer
24-01-2007, 10:49 AM
Adam sells the orange roof helmets, ive got 2 and they are great. www.k4plus.com/shop.asp?catid=7

nigelk
24-01-2007, 12:53 PM
Roofer, what about open face ones ?

roofer
24-01-2007, 01:15 PM
Roofer, what about open face ones ?

Sorry can't help you.

Burty
24-01-2007, 01:31 PM
just give Adam a call at K4+ 01983 528820

Matt
24-01-2007, 02:57 PM
Roof do some interesting looking helmets, not sure about what colours are available though.

My only criticism of the one I've got (daytona, I think) would be
a) The vents are very flimsy, break off easily
b) The visor screws rust in in no time.

Nevertheless, pretty good value for money and in the right colour from stock with Adam. They're designed for fairly round heads, but come with a couple of bits of removable padding for egg heads like me.

OCRDA
24-01-2007, 02:58 PM
Right o, so who wants one then??

ME
JBD

Me as well

SeaPee
25-01-2007, 01:44 AM
I still think that its a lot of money. After all the takachi ones are considered safe for motorbikes and have the necessary kite marks etc for ski racing but are just the wrong colour. In any case there are infinite shades of red and orange so who decides what "flame orange" is and when does the shade of orange become red?
My son has just learnt to ski on a racing ski and later this coming season hoped to enter some club races (that here at Hunstanton, I believe, are run under regional rules) and perhaps later in the season, or the follwing season, maybe the odd National. But this new ruling could well put me off if I have to buy such expensive helmets that I may only use a couple of times if my son decides he is not good enough etc.

OCRDA
25-01-2007, 01:49 AM
Are these takachi ones made in GRP ? (seems too cheap) more likely to be polycarbonate in which case they cannot be painted !!

Bob

Matt
25-01-2007, 02:08 AM
This guy is a graphic artist - reckons he can spray polycarbonate lids and even names the paint brand he uses:
http://www.davidhumphrey.co.uk/helmets.html

If there's a group of you, I believe some manfr's will do a special run in the right colour, think "DAVE" organised something once before, perhaps he will see this thread and provide details

I also notice the orange open face roof helmet in my previous post is only 125 quid.

DAVE
25-01-2007, 05:47 AM
Matt, you're right. A few years ago, half a dozen of us put an order in to Simpson and had Bandit helmets made in orange. They were great, albeit a bit weighty. Sadly Simpson wont do that anymore. Bob and me had new helmets for 06 from Demon Tweeks and he sprayed them a nice bright orange himself. Made a nice job too.
Obviously in open boat racing, a helmet is the single area not to be tight with your budget. (having benefitted from that decision a couple of times) .

:headbang: :headbang:

Bazza
25-01-2007, 08:25 AM
Can we get clarification that the Bell and Peltor meet the new requirements for Water Ski racing as i have Peltor intercoms in my existing Takachi helmets,and power pack, therefore i dont mind the Peltor route as i can use the power pack for the new integral headsets. Its still a lot of money (and in my humble opinion a knee jerk reaction), but i certainly aint going down the respray option. There are going to be a lot of unhappy Bernico spiderman helmet owners!!!! arnt there.

MIKE HUNT
25-01-2007, 09:36 AM
the peltor or the stilo helmets comply as they are being used in p1

fastun
25-01-2007, 11:06 AM
[QUOTE=SeaPee;100396]
My son has just learnt to ski on a racing ski and later this coming season hoped to enter some club races (that here at Hunstanton, I believe, are run under regional rules) QUOTE]

They do run under national races and as there are sometimes 13 boats +, my guess is they will be running the national rules for the clubs too.


:rolleyes:

Dangerous
25-01-2007, 11:33 AM
There are diffrent rules for Club racing, but i think helmet requirments will be written in across the board.

nigelk
25-01-2007, 02:16 PM
Re the 'sticker' option - How much of the helmet has to be 'Flame Orange' ?

Is the manufacturers approval required for stickering ?

Anyone know ? :confused:

MIKE HUNT
29-01-2007, 09:33 AM
any stickers or paintwoork done will have to have the manufactures permission in writing that it is ok to sticker or paint the helmet and of course meet the relavant regulations,anyone looking at the peltor or stilo realy ought to try them on before buying ! and as far as my home work has been done you can buy the leads to interconnect between peltor and stilo and the best people to speak to are PRIMA MOTORSPORT IN POOLE ON 01202 661034 they also do some realy nice stainless steal rachet straps and made to measure slings for lifting the boat,realy nice helpful people mark or tessa!

gar163y
30-01-2007, 07:08 AM
www.gprdirect.com Sparco Offshore (open face) £360 / Sparco Offshore (full face) £392 / Stilo (open) £370 / Stilo (full) £357. www.demon-tweeks.co.uk Sparco Offshore (open) £345 / (full) £435. All helmets are orange and include intercom headsets. All prices are plus VAT and delivery.

Wacky Racer
30-01-2007, 09:07 AM
These Shoei helmets seem ok for the money if you want full face

Shoei TZ-R Pure Orange Helmet

http://www.shoei-helmets.com/road/helmets_road.aspx?h=4&ddlColor=58

Wacky Racer
30-01-2007, 09:27 AM
Roof Diversion on E-Bay £179-99 Item number 330079259240

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Roof-Motorcycle-helmets-Diversion-Picture-Shown_W0QQitemZ330079259240QQihZ014QQcategoryZ7227 8QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

JamesM
30-01-2007, 10:55 AM
www.demon-tweeks.co.uk

Demon Tweeks are feckin useless. :headbang: :flame: :cry:

Matt
30-01-2007, 11:11 AM
I used to call em Demon Thieves :rolleyes:

JamesM
30-01-2007, 11:14 AM
They caused me to crash my feckin car cus I was so pissed off with them getting my order wrong for the third time in a row!!! :flame: That was the friday before xmas and I've still not got my goods or my money back. :flame:

MIKE HUNT
09-03-2007, 08:15 AM
helmets,anyone requireing a new stilo helmet for this season ought to get there orders in soon as the stilo factory are now only producing to order due to running out and can`t keep up so its about a 4-week wait at mo! and vat is required on helmets for any type of motorsport and as this is so,so the vat man is very intrested in places selling motorsport helmets but as i have said already if you talk to mark or tessa at prima motorsport they will do there absolute best to help you!better hurry up and get your kit ready !

gar163y
18-03-2007, 12:56 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BellRaceStarV-Snell2000-international-orange-medium_W0QQitemZ140097725290QQcategoryZ107069QQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem

Bazza
10-04-2007, 03:41 AM
After seding every one into a panic (me included) seems that last years colour bright red is ok for 2007! However we have purchased new in Orange just hope its the right colour orange for 2008, be carefull ordering from USA i just bought a new Bell open face, cheap at $260 however not cheap when it cost $180 shipping BEWARE.And no i didnt ask first, never thought it could cost that amount for 5lbs in weight.

Matt
10-04-2007, 03:55 AM
UPS? I don't buy anything from the US that is UPS shipping. USPS only.

Wacky Racer
10-04-2007, 05:31 AM
Takachi helmets are not bright red and will not be allowed (after talking to Howard). Your safest bet is to get orange ones.

Bazza
10-04-2007, 05:41 AM
We now have 1 Roof full face orange and a Bell open face orange thankfully, and intend keeping right out of any debate on the perceived difference of Red/ Bright Red. Bring your colour chart first race Rod!! Hows the new motor?

Wacky Racer
10-04-2007, 06:04 AM
New engine is excellent, fuel economy is good and no rebiuld at the end of the season, still testing props at the moment.

Bazza
10-04-2007, 07:38 AM
You are welcome to try the 24" Ballistic i bought from Gav it is ace on the Cyclone.

Wacky Racer
10-04-2007, 08:40 AM
Thanks for that mate :up: , I'll give it a go at the first race if your there early enough, looking forward to the racing starting, using both boats this year.

freedom
16-10-2007, 02:14 PM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ORANGE-Helmet-Skinz-Cover-MX-Enduro-Quad-KTM-YZF-CR_W0QQitemZ280086388176QQihZ018QQcategoryZ46169QQ rdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

stupid questionjust spotted these and wondered
are these leagal???
thanks

Wacky Racer
16-10-2007, 05:25 PM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ORANGE-Helmet-Skinz-Cover-MX-Enduro-Quad-KTM-YZF-CR_W0QQitemZ280086388176QQihZ018QQcategoryZ46169QQ rdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

stupid questionjust spotted these and wondered
are these leagal???
thanks


Nope

Cookee
17-10-2007, 01:07 AM
They use them is thundercats - what do you think is illegal about them?

OCRDA
17-10-2007, 01:20 AM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ORANGE-Helmet-Skinz-Cover-MX-Enduro-Quad-KTM-YZF-CR_W0QQitemZ280086388176QQihZ018QQcategoryZ46169QQ rdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

stupid questionjust spotted these and wondered
are these leagal???
thanks

Look like the perfect answer especially for basic racing !!

Bob

Wacky Racer
17-10-2007, 02:40 AM
Too Easily removed by water getting under them, put to our top table and the reply was no, Cyco brought it up at the begining of the year.

Matt
17-10-2007, 02:55 AM
Would I be correct to say that illegal for skiracing is not the same as illegal for offshore/ocr?

Bazza
17-10-2007, 06:13 AM
Would I be correct to say that illegal for skiracing is not the same as illegal for offshore/ocr?

Correct, as Wacky is only replying on the basis of BWS/EAME compliance.

Matt
17-10-2007, 06:58 AM
OK, cool. Just though it worth clarifying.

on a budget
17-10-2007, 01:49 PM
these any good
http://www.helmets4u.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=1626&osCsid=1m7f0ifmgjcg4ts850mafg6fc5

freedom
17-10-2007, 02:43 PM
perfect
if anyone has um in stock:hugegrin:

OCRDA
18-10-2007, 01:51 AM
Rocking horse Poo !!

Dan
08-11-2007, 10:41 AM
Would it be possible to see the rules and regs for the coming season with regards to colours? Sorry to open this back up again but I have spent the last 3 days trying to source a helmet in orange for the round the island race on the 17th and hopefully for ski racing next season if I get my act togther!! Can anyone of the ski lads clarify if bright red is ok or does it have to be orange also does could it be a factury matt finish, RAL numbers etc?
I've tried getting the Nitro NZ250 but they wont have any in stock for anything between 2 weeks and 3 months so any otehr of the shelf suggestion that wont cost me the earth?
Thanks
Dan

Bad Boy 717
08-11-2007, 10:51 AM
not Red!!!!!! dont forget you will need strap on knife, wound/compress dressing, race suit and whistle? not to sure about the last one. Life jacket with leg straps and clean under wear! :seaman:

Dan
08-11-2007, 11:04 AM
Thanks Scott, I'll take a picture of my knife and post it under the 17th November thread just to make sure its ok, I wouldnt want to let you down, I know what your like when your angery :)
As for helmets, right so its defo orange, any suggestions for of the shelf. I already have greytronics so only need a helmet, whats the thoughts on the Urban full face www.urbanhelmets.com its the N50 fusion.

verytricky
08-11-2007, 12:27 PM
N50 Fusion is 22:05 thus complies with RYA rules as they stand.

Wacky Racer
08-11-2007, 04:37 PM
:up: Looks OK to me

dazza
09-11-2007, 12:31 PM
lOOK! ITS EASY, YOU BUY A CRASH HELMET PAINT IT ORANGE AND STICK IT ON YOUR HEAD! JOB DONE!:hugegrin:

Wacky Racer
09-11-2007, 01:40 PM
Not quite that simple, you ain't allowed to spray em :hugegrin:

gar163y
09-11-2007, 02:20 PM
It's OK you can always get one of these......... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ACU-gold-crash-helmet-sticker-decal-400-600-750-1000_W0QQitemZ270185497117QQihZ017QQcategoryZ12223 4QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Dan
09-11-2007, 02:27 PM
It's OK you can always get one of these......... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ACU-gold-crash-helmet-sticker-decal-400-600-750-1000_W0QQitemZ270185497117QQihZ017QQcategoryZ12223 4QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Interesting that, does anyone know what this sticker actually stands for??? Speaking to someone today they advise me that helmets that carry this do NOT undergo any further testing that helmets that dont carry it, infact you can buy them for 47pence each, only stipluation is that you have to buy a minimum of 1000.

dazza
10-11-2007, 01:52 AM
Not quite that simple, you ain't allowed to spray em :hugegrin:

I have a Toptek in my garage if any1 wants it, its Orange! i didn't spray it honest! no good to me

gar163y
11-11-2007, 09:06 AM
I have a Toptek in my garage if any1 wants it, its Orange! i didn't spray it honest! no good to me

If it's over five years old Daz, your supposed to just throw it away! Anyway now you've got the tow vehicle aren't you going to get a new boat?

Gerbil112
11-11-2007, 10:42 AM
Interesting that, does anyone know what this sticker actually stands for??? Speaking to someone today they advise me that helmets that carry this do NOT undergo any further testing that helmets that dont carry it, infact you can buy them for 47pence each, only stipluation is that you have to buy a minimum of 1000.

As helmets generally shouldn't be painted ( it weakens them), using this sticker could mislead anyone buying the helmet into thinking that it is still in spec!

Also, on a motorcycle helmet, it could mislead Police in a roadside check if applied to an illegal helmet. Perhaps powerboat race scrutineers could be misled by it?

gar163y
11-11-2007, 11:21 AM
As helmets generally shouldn't be painted ( it weakens them), using this sticker could mislead anyone buying the helmet into thinking that it is still in spec!
misled by it?

Perhaps that's why I posted it! And painting fiberglass does not weaken it.

dazza
13-11-2007, 10:38 AM
If it's over five years old Daz, your supposed to just throw it away! Anyway now you've got the tow vehicle aren't you going to get a new boat?

What tow vehicle is that mate!!! i cant see me towing a boat with a BMW 330CD Convertiable! i did once tow dads Phantom 21 with my 4x4 Sierra down the M1 at 120mph in the outside lane!!!:hugegrin:

dazza
13-11-2007, 10:39 AM
If it's over five years old Daz, your supposed to just throw it away! Anyway now you've got the tow vehicle aren't you going to get a new boat?

FIVE YEARS OLD!!!

God mate!!! this helmet must be at least 20 years old!!!:hugegrin:

dazza
13-11-2007, 12:14 PM
If it's over five years old Daz, your supposed to just throw it away! Anyway now you've got the tow vehicle aren't you going to get a new boat?

Been looking for a new boat for sometime mate!!! Phantom 28!!! no luck yet:headbang:

verytricky
13-11-2007, 12:32 PM
As helmets generally shouldn't be painted ( it weakens them)
Not true of the fiberglass helmets.



using this sticker could mislead anyone buying the helmet into thinking that it is still in spec!

Hmmmn - yes, valid point there, that would be nasty fraud. Quite bad. OK if it is your own head.




Also, on a motorcycle helmet, it could mislead Police in a roadside check if applied to an illegal helmet.
:up: Exactly, that is a good point! Stuff the rozzers, its your head. They dont actually care, they just want to mess you around!




Perhaps powerboat race scrutineers could be misled by it?
Surely not. They are the best of the best. They have detected that I was running a boat with TWO lead acid batteries!! Nothing gets past them!:hatchet:

Matt
13-11-2007, 01:47 PM
Yeh, but they still didn't catch yer "special" engine did they. :hugegrin:

verytricky
13-11-2007, 06:10 PM
It was the seals that fooled them.

And the fact they cant distinguish a big block from a small block!:hugegrin:

Bazza
14-11-2007, 12:46 AM
If it's over five years old Daz, your supposed to just throw it away! Anyway now you've got the tow vehicle aren't you going to get a new boat?

Hey you, thats my support vehicle your talking about mate !!!:hugegrin:

on a budget
07-04-2008, 11:00 AM
Sorry to raise this again, what the status on the helmets for this year, has the situation changed for this year or not!!

Dangerous
07-04-2008, 12:07 PM
There's a meeting at BWSF on Wednesday where they are going to decide. Lot of hearsay at the mo so best to wait till after the meeting .

MIKE HUNT
07-04-2008, 01:24 PM
as dangerous states there is a committee meeting on wednesday where there will be a definate answer,the 2007 rule states that for 2008 the helmets must comply to 6658 and be flourescent orange so in a way if everybody read the rules and understood them there is no confussion,but due to various manufactures giving flourescent orange as the colour and the actual colour being different we have a problem! the bigger issue is that the new eame rules for 08 state florescent orange and all european teams are out of gb are going to use flourescent so we may have the case where its ok in uk but not europe(ramsgate,belgiun,cardiff etc)but as soon as we have confirmation of the rule i will post it here,this is why the rules at mo are susspeneded from bws site

on a budget
10-04-2008, 11:04 AM
Just had this e-mail from BWFS re helmet regs

Dear Competitor



Your Committee have considered in detail the current rule regarding helmets and have come to the following decision:-



Helmets can be bright red or bright orange. However, we strongly recommend that any new helmets you may need to source in the future, should be fluorescent orange.
Helmets should comply with BS:6658 or higher. This includes Snell standards and also the new CE Motorcycle standards (ECE22:05). If your helmet has either an ACU green or gold sticker, ECE sticker or BS green or blue sticker then your helmet does comply with the standards.
If you have a helmet which is painted orange with no sticker, please contact the manufacturer who should be able to provide you with the necessary paperwork confirming compliance with the above standards.


The Committee have decided that all crews’ helmets will be scrutineered at their first National race. If it is deemed that the helmet does not comply with the above standards then the Chief Scrutineer will refer the matter to the Chief Judge and one member of the Technical Committee for clarification. Their decision will be binding and final and no appeal may be entered into.



Competitors will be allowed to race on this occasion only but they must ensure they have a new helmet which complies with the above standards in readiness for the next National race they attend. Failure to provide such a helmet will mean that they will not be permitted to race.





To clarify the above, please find below the new rule regarding helmets as it will appear in the 2008 Rules:-



“4.06/08: Skiers Crash Helmets – Non Skiing Crew Members (BS6658)



Skiers shall wear helmets meeting the following requirements checked for individual fit by Scrutineer.

(a) The colour: Fluorescent Orange only will be accepted.

(b) Cover for the ears to prevent ruptured ear drums when the head hits the water in a sideways fall.

(c) Secure straps and fit on the head.

(d) The helmet must float.

(e) The possibility of ‘bucketing’ or forcing water between the helmet and the head to be reduced by a very tight fitting.

(f) Full face skiing helmets are NOT allowed.



Non Skiing Crew Members Helmets



(a) Helmets can be bright red or bright orange. However, we strongly recommend that any new helmets you may need to source in the future, should be fluorescent orange.



(b) Helmets should comply with BS:6658 or higher. This includes Snell standards and also the new CE Motorcycle standards (ECE22:05). If your helmet has either an ACU green or gold sticker, an ECE sticker or BS green or blue sticker then your helmet does comply with the standards.



(c) If you have a helmet which is painted orange with no sticker, please contact the manufacturer who should be able to provide you with the necessary paperwork confirming compliance with the above standards.



(d) All helmets must be in good condition, devoid of dents and splits and fit for the purpose.



(e) Helmets constructed from plastic or fibreglass material may not be painted unless this is authorised by the manufacturer.



(f) Visors shall be in good condition and devoid of cracks and easily detachable (i.e. not bolted down) and must not be secured in any way which prevents them lifting up (i.e. taping).

gar163y
03-04-2009, 05:42 AM
With the upcoming Worlds, a small segment from the IWSF Worlds rules:

'Helmets constructed from plastic material may not be painted unless this is authorised by the manufacturer, but should be of a bright red colour. Helmets made from fibreglass may not be painted.'