ooops!

[Jono]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3529766.stm

[Jon Fuller]

Don't start me off!

[jackeen's Missus]

Originally posted by Matt
Spirit? Yacht? American registered ketch?
Glad they're all OK though.

Full name of boat currently : 'Spirit of the Jolly Sailor'.

Her new home was indeed intended to be Newfoundland. This may explain the registration.

As for the 'ketch' remark. Perhaps it shouldn't dominate some superb work by emergency services to save four people's lives?

They got there, they got them out, they're safe.

K

[termite]

Don't start me off!

Steady. Four people have had a very close shave and a boat is missing.

Whatever else your views on Alan are; at least he had the bollocks to have a go, not once but repeatly for over a decade.

T

[termite]

Oh yes, and here comes the defense from termite.

Matt, someone edited your reply :laugh: guess another moderator is in for the chop then :no:

[Jono]

Originally posted by termite
Steady. Four people have had a very close shave and a boat is missing.

Whatever else your views on Alan are; at least he had the bollocks to have a go, not once but repeatly for over a decade.

T

Had to think carefully whether or not to post this, but here goes..

Right, now I’m going to go out on a limb. Please read what I am saying carefully before “flaming” me. Firstly, I wish to make it very clear that I am pleased that the crew of “Spirit” are alive and well and, from what I read, they had made every effort to be prepared for such an event.
My point is this; - Everyday, “ordinary”* people risk their lives and health just by going about their business. You only have to look at the list of “dangerous occupations” to see what risks these people take day in day out. You can include in this list those members of the emergency and rescue service who have to deal with this type of emergency. Alan and his crew chose to be where they were. I do not know whether or not this particular event was being done for charity or not, but the point remains the same. They chose to be there. It was not part of a job, it was not part of a rescue mission, it was not Government service, it was choice. The same choice I make when I set to sea in my own boat, or take the car out for a drive, or even walk the dog. If I run foul of events and end up in a situation where I need to rely on someone else to come to my rescue, how should I be regarded? If I am undertaking something that could not be considered as part of everyday living, how should I be considered by “the public” should I have need of outside assistance? If I have an “accident” whilst driving to work, with due care, or something as mundane as walking the dog, should I be considered differently? After all I am not choosing to put myself in harms way, the way I would be if I was undertaking something such as caving, skydiving or even playing rugby.
What I am getting at, in a round about sort of way is my questioning of why people heap praise on those taking unnecessary risks and yet, by and large, ignore those who risk their all for the benefit of others?
I am not against taking risks at all. I am a firm believer that society will benefit from the exploits of some people. Balance this with our strange ways of promoting to cult status, those people who are the sole beneficiaries of their own exploits and no, I am not saying this about the crew of Spirit, because I don’t know what the object of their journey was yet.
So, in your congratulations and thoughts for Alan and his crew, remember all those “ordinary”* people too…….



*Yes I know that sounds condescending, but I can’t think of an alternative way of expressing this.

[Jon Fuller]

An extremely articulate post and I'm sure it won't be taken out of context by anyone on this forum.

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by termite
Matt, someone edited your reply :laugh: guess another moderator is in for the chop then :no:

Pete, your apparent obsession with moderators on this forum is becoming tiresome! would it be asking too much, to expect you to drop it now please?

JF

[termite]

Pete, your apparent obsession with moderators on this forum is becoming tiresome! would it be asking too much, to expect you to drop it now please?

Okay,

Pete

[Jon Fuller]

From what I can see of this image, which I presume was taken with an infrared camera, it looks like the shed fell orf! I reckon that'd get y'r attention! :aaahhh:

[Chrisallse]

Originally posted by Matt
Bravo!!! You managed to have a dig at me there quite sneakily. 10/10 for effort.

:duell:

Good God..all the women have gone and left a load of kids.:rolleyes:

[Jon Fuller]

Would you care to expand on that Chris!

[Chrisallse]

Originally posted by Johnson
Would you care to expand on that Chris!

Of course i will..I thought that this reply was childish.

[jackeen's Missus]

Jon's right.
Enough power struggles.

Jono's right.
I would also be personally devastated if any of you were in danger of death.

Termite's right. Keep it light. They're OK.

Matt. I wasn't having a go. I don't know the full story either. Trying to fill in a few gaps. Please don't take it personally.

Yes the boat was going to work for food deliveries in remote places to people who need them.

Yup. I know a lot of people who suffer as well. Feeling sad for one or another doesn't exclude feeling compassionate for this group.

And to be honest I got a bit of a fright myself because we were all together at the weekend. Fi and I are/were so fond of the boat too and grateful for the way it looked after us. We waved them off on Sunday night fully expecting news of a great trip.

K.

[Jon Fuller]

Chris, what do you think you 'give' to this forum?

[Chrisallse]

A boat to take the piss out of?

[Jono]

Originally posted by Chrisallse
A boat to take the piss out of?

:drain: Well, FGT, there's no "come back" that will match that...:D

[Jon Fuller]

Yes, it's an excellent reply! and I have to admit, it defused a growing situation in this thread (I hope)

[Chrisallse]

When you going to let Willowkis view the pictures?

[Foolish]

Oh well here goes ......

as i am probably one of the newest "NEWBIES" i wondered wether i should reply to this particular thread or not ... but hey whats a forum for !

Alan & his crew got in trouble... ( thankfully they are OK ) but.. Who was there to help them ?

"The coastguard rescue helicopter "Mike Uniform" was scrambled along with a Nimrod aircraft from RAF Kinloss in the north east of Scotland. ( how much did that cost ? )

I wonder how many here actually give a "Donation" to the people who are there to rescue us or just take them for granted !

I for one hope that anytime i might get into any sort of trouble on "my big blue playground" the real "Heroes" will be there to help me & and the next time i see an RNLI collection box "I WILL DIG DEEP" WILL YOU ????

[jackeen's Missus]

Well said.

Good for you.

Not 'foolish' at all.

K

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Chrisallse
When you going to let Willowkis view the pictures?

I hadn't intentionally barred her from viewing attachments, it's sorted now.

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Foolish
( how much did that cost ? )

I wonder how many here actually give a "Donation" to the people who are there to rescue us or just take them for granted !



In the case of the RAF Nimrod, I think you'll find we ALL paid for it!

[Tony Davis]

Originally posted by Johnson
In the case of the RAF Nimrod, I think you'll find we ALL paid for it!

Yeh, but some have paid more than others!!!!!

I may not be Mr P's greatest admirer, but that is what the rescue services are in place for, and I'd rather see hundreds of thousands of pounds spent rescuing a british taxpayer ( and a canadian coz he's not a yank) than to see it wasted on some waste of space asylum seeker or a member of the royal family having another day out courtesy of us and the RAF.

[The gArfish]

Originally posted by Tony Davis
Yeh, but some have paid more than others!!!!!

wel dats fkin cewt cumin fromm de KU's bigist fkin taks dojjer

gArf

[Tony Davis]

Originally posted by The gArfish
wel dats fkin cewt cumin fromm de KU's bigist fkin taks dojjer

gArf

Are you saying "I'm a large tax dodger", or "I dodge large amount of tax", you northern nob jockey!!!!!:D :D :D

[BREN]

Originally posted by Tony Davis
Yeh, but some have paid more than others!!!!!

I may not be Mr P's greatest admirer, but that is what the rescue services are in place for, and I'd rather see hundreds of thousands of pounds spent rescuing a british taxpayer ( and a canadian coz he's not a yank) than to see it wasted on some waste of space asylum seeker or a member of the royal family having another day out courtesy of us and the RAF. :up: i agree tony well said mate

[Foolish]

Difficult decision for the coastguard ?

"The accident happened after more than 30 cocklers - thought to be Chinese who do not speak English - were caught by rising waters in the Hest Bank area"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/3464203.stm

:up: But even after this i still have to agree with "TONY" the money we could have saved here could have been "better spent" .. in many ways !!! .... . ( perhaps a memorial that we could take our "Boats" round !!!!!! )



sozzy if this dont make sence or anyfing but the "Booze" is kinda takin effect now ...so i'll probably have to edit this in the mornin to finish wat i was tryin to say.....

[jackeen's Missus]

Lotta sense :up:

Missus

[Jon Fuller]

A memorial! what like a 30 foot high fibreglass Trumpet 'n' Hypalon Tee shirt jutting out of the sea 200 miles north of Stornaway:lol:lol:

[jackeen's Missus]

They lost the t-shirts...:cry:

Missus

[Ice Kiddie]

Originally posted by jackeen's Missus
They lost the t-shirts...:cry:

Missus In that case, this phrase could be a collectors item...

Yes I have got the t-shirt and I have worn it out! Alan P

(Can you remember what thread that's from, JF? :D )

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Ice Kiddie
(Can you remember what thread that's from, JF? :D )
I thought it was his signature!:bolt:

[jackeen's Missus]

On the ball tonight JF!!!

Yup though they 'lost the t-shirts' they gained respect from a lot of peeps last night.

Missus

[Ice Kiddie]

Originally posted by jackeen's Missus
gained respect from a lot of peeps last night. Hmmm... stand back from the situation and take a good look.... Mr Priddy could lose a lot of respect if the rate at which he's rescued continues.

[Jon Fuller]

This is bound to cause a load of aggro, as everyone knows I'm far from Priddy's greatest fan, but it's a funny old world! they gained a lot of respect from peeps last night coz they failed!:confused:

part of the challenge was building an indestructable boat, which he obviously didn't, and i really can't see why putting your self in harms way, then getting burned, then getting rescued, generates respect! (other than his/their guts, which was proven on departure, not by the misshap)

I guess we all look at things from a different angle.

[jackeen's Missus]

Originally posted by Johnson
and i really can't see why putting your self in harms way, then getting burned, then getting rescued, generates respect! (other than his/their guts, which was proven on departure, not by the misshap)

I guess we all look at things from a different angle.

Not really. For an ordinary person like myself it's the courage shown by some people in a near-death experience which many powerboat racers also have (remembering the burned boat at Brighton/ the many examples of dangerous stuffs) which generates respect.

K

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Ice Kiddie
Hmmm... stand back from the situation and take a good look.... Mr Priddy could lose a lot of respect if the rate at which he's rescued continues.

Kinnell! and this from a ribber! :aaahhh: are you (like Mark Wildey) considering a hardboat by any chance Richard? sounds like you've seen the light



PS. the burned out Italian boat at Brighton was extremely sad, and I felt gutted for them, but it was probably their fault, or certainly would have been if it were our (Team Extreme's) raceboat, as WE prepared it, and had it happened to us, I certainly wouldn't have expected any respect, I would have expected to be called a tosser (again) (and again)

[jackeen's Missus]

I guess that's different alright...when someone's in difficulties 'out there' I don't care whether they're in a jetski or Brittany Ferries...I'm just worried about them & if I can I'll try to help because I'm a bit scared of the sea.

Don't imagine Team Extreme ever got it wrong :D but ye must have had a few hairy moments .....:D

Missus

[Captain Chaos]

Originally posted by Johnson
I would have expected to be called a tosser (again)

What??

No "Ginger" then?

BTW.....I know yet another question? anyone know what fecked that Italian Boat?

[Jon Fuller]

Yeah, we had plenty, all our fault

[Jon Fuller]

Wiring behind the dash! (JW???:bang: )

[jackeen's Missus]

1)fire

2) Sometimes stuff happens tho...or I mean 'stuffs happen'...

Missus

[Captain Chaos]

that could cause a heft inferno like that then???

I'll assume it must have got near to fuel very quick

[Jon Fuller]

In a race boat, a stuff is caused by driver error, in a 15knt rib clearly it's less in your control, but the integrity of the structure in which you put your trust, is down to the designer/builder, the cockpits/canopies on race boats can withstand 100+mph stuffs, so the designer/builder has ensured the kit can take what the sea/speed can throw at it, if the rumour/theories that Spirits wheelhouse fell off are true, then it wasn't fit for the purpose, at least not in the event of a major (albeit slow) stuff, and it did have a massive frontal area! (the wheelhouse)

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Captain Chaos
I'll assume it must have got near to fuel very quick

Polyester resin (the boat) is pretty flamable!

[Jon Fuller]

Anyway, I'm going to bed now, gotta stay up late tommorow night and take compromising pics of Rogue wave!

[jackeen's Missus]

The suff info is helpful & very relevant to something I was thinking about.

But it would be wrong of me to speculate about what happened to Spirit particularly as the details are still coming out....

Just bothered by the idea I guess...

K

[Jon Fuller]

A real high speed stuff is one of the most frightening things you could ever experience

[jackeen's Missus]

That's tonight's nightmares taken care of again then!!!

Nite all

K

[Captain Chaos]

Originally posted by Johnson
A real high speed stuff is one of the most frightening things you could ever experience

I'm sure i get closer every week!! I've become a useless feckin driver!!

mind you...what 40-50mph? probably isnee hi-speed to race folk!

guess its nite then?

till later:)

[Jon Fuller]

Remember THIS (http://www.proprider.com/goodstuff.swf)

[Ice Kiddie]

Originally posted by Johnson
Kinnell! and this from a ribber! :aaahhh: are you (like Mark Wildey) considering a hardboat by any chance Richard? sounds like you've seen the light I don't really see this as a hardboat v RIB thing, but sometimes I can't help feeling that RIBsters get a bit gung ho about the bravado element, usually lead by the blinkered (IMHO) Priddy fans. I've got great respect for what Alan has achieved, but recently began to think that he's "lost it". I think that he put Kathleen and Fiona in danger during their round Ireland trip, and the only mild critic (Kipper) had his/her 3 short line answered by 12 packed lines of vitriol from Alan Priddy. Wow, there's one guy who can't take criticism.

That's enough for now. I sympathise with Alan's current plight but he's a big boy and can take the knocks.

BTW I used to go out to sea in hard boats (and things with rags and sticks!) before I ever set foot in a RIB - but only displacement/semi-displacement ones! As for seeing lights... thats going to be either Cowes Fireworks or the sparks flying from the RIBsters!

[Captain Chaos]

Oh yes,

it gets regularly played to my mates........honestly scares the shite out of me!!!

I'm quite sure that when I get the boat done....i'll recieve some instruction on how to trim a boat "proper"....If not TD's threatening to let me "take him for a spin"......foolish man!

really going to bed NOW...check your PM box some time soon Jonny;p;

[Jon Fuller]

Richard, that's certainly brave talk from some who mixes with the ribnet crowd, I admire your honesty (not just because you're questioning priddy) I too felt Kipper got a rough deal from the superstar!

on the whole, I aggree with your comments.

PS, the hardboat comment was just a joke

[Ice Kiddie]

Originally posted by Johnson
the hardboat comment was just a joke Yeah, I know, but I had to take you to task! (old habits die hard :D )

There's a lot more to be said, but now's not the time to "stick the boot in".

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Ice Kiddie
There's a lot more to be said, but now's not the time to "stick the boot in".

Now is ALWAYS the time to stick the boot in! :lol:lol:

[glen76]

spirits quite a travelled boat and has probably seen more seas than 98% of boatmad boats will ever see... i dont think we can fault her ability to handle the rough or turn it into a hard boat rubber boat thing... I think the more likely scenario is that shes tired and really due for retirement, everything has a life span and the harder the life the shorter it will be..... I also respect priddy for what he has done in the past cause feck knows i wouldnt have the balls, but it doesnt mean i understand, support, like or dislike either way (have to admit his articles in mags are getting stranger). Glad they are well

Mr neutral(today only)

glen

[jw.]

Originally posted by Johnson
...the cockpits/canopies on race boats can withstand 100+mph stuffs, so the designer/builder has ensured the kit can take what the sea/speed can throw at it, if the rumour/theories that Spirits wheelhouse fell off are true, then it wasn't fit for the purpose, at least not in the event of a major (albeit slow) stuff, ...

It'll be interesting to hear the comments about the actual moment. I don't believe for one second that the wheelhouse fell off.

One thing occured, especially after the heli crew comment that the boat had hit something. If you visit the outer islands, the beaches are littered with debris, much of it from Canada, amongst this there are often very large tree trunks which have been cut, topped and cleaned as in tree felling operations. Probably escapees from the Ottawa river. They're usually about 6-10mtr long and pretty waterlogged. I bet they weigh the best part of 5-6tons. Meeting one of these contained in a wave would certainly part your hair.

[Johnny Rocket]

Originally posted by Ice Kiddie
I don't really see this as a hardboat v RIB thing, but sometimes I can't help feeling that RIBsters get a bit gung ho about the bravado element, usually lead by the blinkered (IMHO) Priddy fans. I've got great respect for what Alan has achieved, but recently began to think that he's "lost it". I think that he put Kathleen and Fiona in danger during their round Ireland trip, and the only mild critic (Kipper) had his/her 3 short line answered by 12 packed lines of vitriol from Alan Priddy. Wow, there's one guy who can't take criticism. A very interesting point of view Richard. :D

Will you be taking this discussion to RIBnet, or are you just going to lurk about here? :bolt:

[jackeen's Missus]

Fiona and I took responsibility for ourselves when we said yes to the recent successful circumnavigation of Ireland. But your concern is appreciated Richard. For ways to support the charity involved see here http://www.boatmadforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=722

Glen that's an open minded view:up:

JWalker now I'm going to be worried about you as well.
Sounds like a floating MFI out there...:aaahhh:

Missus

[Dilligaf]

Originally posted by Foolish
the next time i see an RNLI collection box "I WILL DIG DEEP" WILL YOU ????

Yes.

I Do.

Monthly.

By Direct Debit.

:cool: :cool: :D :D :D

[BREN]

Originally posted by Johnson
Remember THIS (http://www.proprider.com/goodstuff.swf)

what boat was this?

[Rogue Wave]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jackeen's Missus
[B]Fiona and I took responsibility for ourselves when we said yes to the recent successful circumnavigation of Ireland. But your concern is appreciated Richard. For ways to support the charity involved see here http://www.boatmadforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=722

Anybody that goes to sea in a smallcraft is responsible for their own safety and must measure and accept the risk themselves

It would be a fairly sick person that didn't wish any seafarer safe passage and God's speed ( I am not a believer, but it seems an approriate phrase) So I should hope it goes without saying that everybody is glad that they are alive and safe. Given that they are well then hey...what a mother of an experience gotta be one of the moments of a lifetime! so lets be happy for them

If I had been offered a place (and could have afforded it) in the missus round Ireland trip, rM Priddys last crossing or on the boat that burned at Brighton I would have taking it without a second thought and worried about the Fkk ups later

So I kinda agree with you Missus. I am sure that some of Richards comments were based on the Nobbers deep affection for you but I notied that his comments didn't go as far as asking how to donate to the Charity.

[jackeen's Missus]

Do you know what Stuart, you and a few other generous minds have restored faith in human nature !!!!

Fair play to you :up:

Missus

[Liam]

Originally posted by Ice Kiddie
what Alan has achieved, but recently began to think that he's "lost it". I think that he put Kathleen and Fiona in danger during their round Ireland trip,

Richard. We've never met but thank you for your concern.

I've been responsible for myself for some time now and wouldn't dream of putting the onus on anyone but myself should anything serious have happened to us on the Round Ireland trip.

Ta anyway.

Liam (Fiona)

[Cookee]

Originally posted by BREN
what boat was this?

It's a Phantom 18 - Cowes 2000 driven by Ian Sanderson - I was in another 18 as well as the BananaShark - the Solent can be a difficult place for racing boats!

Been there done that in a Phantom 18, but we went in straight and just stopped, they went in at a slight angle and destroyed the boat, and didn't do themselves any favours either only it was luckily superficial.

[Tony Davis]

Originally posted by Cookee
- I was in another 18 as well as the BananaShark

Split personallity or twins!!!!:D

[Jon Fuller]

Actually it was a 19 Excel, as pointed out earlier by someone else, and I don't think they went in at any odd angle, the boat jst disintergrated, it had been in a very serious stuff, a few weeks earlier which resulted in the main structures of the boat being ruptured, it was taken to Steve Baker for repair, but he refused, sighting that it wasn't possible to repair it to a standard he considered safe, and it should be scrapped (it was something like 10 years old, and had been raced at the top level all it's life).
The owner refused to accept this and took the boat away, a repair was done elswhere, the rest is history.

[Ice Kiddie]

Originally posted by Johnny Rocket
Will you be taking this discussion to RIBnet? Well, amongst other things, I'm worried about being crushed by stampeding sheep! :aaahhh:

(anyway, didn't the last bloke to disagree with Alan Priddy get banned?)

[Jon Fuller]

Was that me? JK insists he's only ever banned one person :D

He's currently pissing himself laughing coz I started BM saying it would be a non dictator forum (just after he banned me for the third time) and now I'm having a cull bigger 'n' the mad cow thingy.

[Ice Kiddie]

Originally posted by Johnson
now I'm having a cull bigger 'n' the mad cow thingy. I wondered what the smell was!!! :duell::laugh:

So anyway, you're getting rid of mad cows? :bolt:

[Jon Fuller]

OOh You are awfull! but I like you.

You're shaping up like a proper Boatmader

[jackeen's Missus]

Nah I mustn't say things like that

Missus:bolt:

[Chrisallse]

Originally posted by Ice Kiddie
I wondered what the smell was!!! :duell::laugh:

So anyway, you're getting rid of mad cows? :bolt:

Who said you could call my wife a mad cow.....

[Ice Kiddie]

Originally posted by Chrisallse
you could call my wife a mad cow..... That's not very nice, chris!

You should know she gets upset when she can't answer back :D

(don't fancy your chances tonight, mate!)

[jackeen's Missus]

Originally posted by Chrisallse
Who said you could call my wife a mad cow.....

Chris ignore him..

He really ain't worth it

Missus

[Chrisallse]

He might live to regret that....

[Ice Kiddie]

Wow. Sounds like sense of humour failure well marked on the map tonight.

[jackeen's Missus]

....picking on women says more about him than anything else...

K.

[Chrisallse]

Originally posted by Ice Kiddie
Wow. Sounds like sense of humour failure well marked on the map tonight.

No….I think its hysterical….you might meet her one day:bang:

[Jon Fuller]

Well that's the Priddy thread well and truly fkkd! :lol:lol:

[Chrisallse]

Originally posted by Johnson
Well that's the Priddy thread well and truly ****ed! :lol:lol: Thats Ice Kiddie well and truly fkkd :)

[Jon Fuller]

now now! sticks and stones (and grownups)

[Rogue Wave]

Originally posted by Johnson
Well that's the Priddy thread well and truly ****ed! :lol:lol:

Doesn't Forum protocol spell it Fkkd ?

[Jon Fuller]

Yes, thank you Mr Scratcher

[Chrisallse]

Originally posted by rowgscratcher
Doesn't Forum protocol spell it Fkkd ?

You cant get the staff Rowg...

[Rogue Wave]

Originally posted by jackeen's Missus
Nah I mustn't say things like that

Missus:bolt:

go on go on go on

;)

[jackeen's Missus]

Nah Stu.

I just played an old Boatmad game with that one :D

Missus

[Ice Kiddie]

...but interseting to see those who would like to dance on my grave!

Originally posted by jackeen's Missus
Nah I mustn't say things like that

Well I would agree with you about that - a nasty set of insults in your original post, that were either targeted or general - you didn't specify.

[Rogue Wave]

Originally posted by Chrisallse
You cant get the staff Rowg...

i know I am rather dissapointed with his slipping standards!

by the way when will you be bringing your bote to Southampton

[jackeen's Missus]

Originally posted by Ice Kiddie

Well I would agree with you about that - a nasty set of insults in your original post, that were either targeted or general - you didn't specify.

Well I do think picking on women and making fun of people who are banned is cowardly and tasteless...if you feel that applies to you then so be it.

Missus

[Jon Fuller]

Unless it's Manos of course

[jackeen's Missus]

Originally posted by Ice Kiddie
I wondered what the smell was!!! :duell::laugh:

So anyway, you're getting rid of mad cows? :bolt:

Your contribution...

In case you've forgotten.

Missus

[Ice Kiddie]

Originally posted by Chrisallse
Who said you could call my wife a mad cow..... Chris's contribution... in case you've forgotten.

My post was deliberately non-specific and actually designed as mackrel bait for you as you seem prone to sense of humour failures recently. Jeez, did that hit the mark like an exocet! As far as I'm aware, Willowkis can post in this forum... the last I heard it was just Torkin Bollix that she was banned from?

[Rogue Wave]

aww come on there is a big difference between a personal insult and just making a play on words which is what I saw this as.

I am sure it was just a bovine I mean benign comment

[Ice Kiddie]

nail rogue hit scratcher the head have you on

(arrange words in correct order to make sentence :D )

[jackeen's Missus]

[i]My post was deliberately non-specific and actually designed as mackrel bait for you [/B]

You're right. I object to abusive stuff about women. And racism. And attacks on kids as well.

None of the above is funny in my book.

So let's agree to differ :D

Missus

[Ice Kiddie]

Originally posted by jackeen's Missus
You're righterr... moi?
I object to abusive stuff about women.
No argument there. Anything that's caused offence from my direction comes with an option on apology. And just to make sure there's no misunderstanding, that applies to Willowkis if she's at all upset.
And racism.No argument here. I know that there's an argument that sparked your, err, departure from the moderator's position, but I can't comment as you deleted the post before I ever saw it.

And attacks on kids as well..You've lost me now - but natrually unacceptable....


So where does that leave us.... can we still take the gentle rise out of each other in a politically correct manner, or has that become too dangerous and volatile?

[Chrisallse]

Originally posted by Ice Kiddie
Chris's contribution... in case you've forgotten.

My post was deliberately non-specific and actually designed as mackrel bait for you as you seem prone to sense of humour failures recently. Jeez, did that hit the mark like an exocet! As far as I'm aware, Willowkis can post in this forum... the last I heard it was just Torkin Bollix that she was banned from?

No Ice Kiddie…You should by now know my sense of humour ..I was responding to your comment in a light hearted way when I asked “who said you can call my wife a mad cow” YOU FELL FOR YOUR OWN BAIT…If I thought for a minute that you had specifically called her that I would have really got out of my pram….only I get to call her that………But that said you should still watch your step if you do meet her.

:bang: :) OH! and Who are you calling Mackrel...:)

[jackeen's Missus]

Just explaining things I don't find funny.

Glad you understand .

Missus

[Ice Kiddie]

Hey Chris it's getting a bit sad when we have to explain the wind-ups to each other... but I think you mised my reply to you! Oh never mind! :D

It's getting worse than a Vikki Pollard conversation on "Little Britain"! :D

[Chrisallse]

Originally posted by rowgscratcher
i know I am rather dissapointed with his slipping standards!

by the way when will you be bringing your bote to Southampton

Its taking a bit longer than i thought to do the rewire, I doubt it will be ready before September ish the way its going. If you have seen the Rewire update post you will see what i mean:)

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Ice Kiddie
No argument here. I know that there's an argument that sparked your, err, departure from the moderator's position, but I can't comment as you deleted the post before I ever saw it.


No, it's still there!

down a ways, the comment is "Simple, I is black innit"

See it here (http://www.boatmadforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=664)

[jackeen's Missus]

No argument here. I know that there's an argument that sparked your, err, departure from the moderator's position, but I can't comment as you deleted the post before I ever saw it.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

For the record Richard there was no argument. Jon made the rules clear...I was clear I couldn't be a 'moderator' on a forum that allowed certain things so the agreed action was taken. I did not protest publicly apart from feeling sad . So the argument may be a figment of your imagination.
Hey may I suggest you find better ways to spend your time than baiting others?

Missus

[Jon Fuller]

Oh dear, this IS getting serious!

[Rogue Wave]

well we will do the course as soon as it's ready or we can use one of my boats before then.

Just say the word Chris and I'll let Britt slip her leash then the nobber will really know what a Mad Cow is like. Even the gArfish treads warily around her so hes not as dumb as he looks

[Chrisallse]

Look forward to it..I think Willow an Brit will get on well:)

[Ice Kiddie]

Originally posted by jackeen's Missus
For the record Richard there was no argument. I was using the word argument in the loosest possible way. Perhaps difference of opionion would be more appropriate? I'm not trying to put any particular spin on the events and I'm quite happy to put the subject back in the drawer![Hey may I suggest you find better ways to spend your time than baiting others? [/B]You may suggest what you like... I'm off now so you can have the last word if you like! :D

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Chrisallse
Look forward to it..I think Willow an Brit will get on well:)

Don't drop her feckin Phone whatever you do! :aaahhh: :aaahhh: :aaahhh: :bolt:

[jackeen's Missus]

Originally posted by Ice Kiddie
You may suggest what you like... I'm off now so you can have the last word if you like! :D

Many thanks Richard.

Here goes then.

Wouldn't it be great if in the 'New Boatmad' we had a Forum that (in addition to the changes signalled by JF)

-is positive and welcoming to women and peeps of other cultures etc.

Missus

[Jon Fuller]

.................And you could hear a pin drop :drain:

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by jackeen's Missus
Wouldn't it be great if in the 'New Boatmad' we had a Forum that (in addition to the changes signalled by JF)

-is positive and welcoming to women and peeps of other cultures etc.

Missus

But Betty Cook's been dead for 15 years! :lol:lol:


And there is no 'new boatmad'! the original one drifted off course a bit, and it just needs a nudge on the tiller, which I'm giving it.

[jackeen's Missus]

oh...nearly forgot!!!

And in a spirit of adventure which many powerboaters share...if Boatmad could cheer on peeps who push the boundaries a little ...(and I'm back to boating here)...and show a little sympathy and respect when someone's nearly killed ...be it a burn out or a sinking.

Missus

[jackeen's Missus]

Sorry Boss :D

Didn't mean to interrupt :D

Missus

[Jon Fuller]

Like I said before, don't start me off!

I'm sure boatmads members will be right behind anyone who pushes the bounderies in our given sport!

I wonder how frantic the RIBnet boys (and girls) will be when Mike & Reggie go for the big 170mph in a monohull in three days time.......yeah, thought so!

[Ice Kiddie]

Given that the two events/emotions you've described above are intertwined, I'll play with your post a little to illustrate my point...Originally posted by jackeen's Missus
oh...nearly forgot!!!
...if Boatmad could cheer on when someone's nearly killed ...be it a burn out or a sinking. Now bear in mind that I'm not out to score points with arguments here - and we're all tired, so I don't everyone to "get it". That's enough for tonight - certainly fo me anyway.

[jackeen's Missus]

You're a member there...start a thread and educate peeps...

missus

[jackeen's Missus]

Originally posted by Ice Kiddie
Given that the two events/emotions you've described above are intertwined, I'll play with your post a little to illustrate my point... Now bear in mind that I'm not out to score points with arguments here - and we're all tired, so I don't everyone to "get it". That's enough for tonight - certainly fo me anyway.

Thought you were gone? Guess you are now :D

Nighty night Richard B.

Missus

[Jon Fuller]

Yeah right!
Just imagine:

"In the states there's two guys going for the outright record for a monohull in 40 foot hardboats, we could see 175mph! how about some support"

Speed record!, hard boat! wot on earth for? you wanna rib sonny!..."get a life-get a rib"! you get caught in a hurricane in that silly hardboat, you'll be ****ed! you want a 3.1 sib like me! you can go anywhere then! Blah Blah Blah Yawn

[jackeen's Missus]

Originally posted by jackeen's Missus
oh...nearly forgot!!!

And in a spirit of adventure which many powerboaters share...if Boatmad could cheer on peeps who push the boundaries a little ...(and I'm back to boating here)...and show a little sympathy and respect when someone's nearly killed ...be it a burn out or a sinking.

Missus

I've reposted my actual post because you've 'forgotten' sympathy and respect again Richard.

I'm quite sure you didn't mean that.

Missus :D

[jackeen's Missus]

Originally posted by Johnson
Yeah right!
Just imagine:

"In the states there's two guys going for the outright record for a monohull in 40 foot hardboats, we could see 175mph! how about some support"

speed record!, hard boat! wot on earth for? you wana rib sonny!...get a life, get a rib.

I don't actually think so. Yes there are intolerant peeps here and there but I think the thoughtful posters dominate...

I didn't know about this (simple ignorance) but I admire the skill and reactions needed to handle a boat at speed.

Missus

[Jon Fuller]

That's RIBnet, this is boatmad, if they were the same there would be no need to have both

[jackeen's Missus]

Originally posted by Johnson
That's RIBnet, this is boatmad, if they were the same there would be no need to have both

I know...
and that's why I miss the lighthearted BM

Missus

[Ice Kiddie]

"there" - RIBnet you mean.

When I'm ready, but more to the point, when they (other members) are a bit more ready.

I removed those words not to detract from the meaning of your original post but to make my point which is to emphasise the implicit linking of the encouragement and the tragedy by making it more explicit.

Like I said - a bit late for such a complex discussion.

n-nite.

[Jon Fuller]

Well you'll have to find a forum for virtual fairies, coz that's the only difference! the humour here is unchanged (by me anyway)

[jackeen's Missus]

Originally posted by Ice Kiddie

I removed those words not to detract from the meaning of your original post ...n-nite.

Then leave it as it is.

The words you removed I meant for you especially. I worry about anyone in difficulties...and Alan, Egbert, Kevin and Paul had a terrible experience last Monday night.

It was a near-tragedy. Perhaps not the time to score points at their expense.

Missus

[jackeen's Missus]

Originally posted by Johnson
Well you'll have to find a forum for virtual fairies, coz that's the only difference! the humour here is unchanged (by me anyway)

:no: :no: :no:

I guess I'd better shut up or ye'll be up all night....

Missus (nite nite)

[Jon Fuller]

Just out of interest Kath, what do you think of these lines?

"Life is about feeling and being. You are all entitled to an opinion as I have mine.

To those of you who know me, I thank you all for your kind wishes and thoughts.

For those of you who speak against us wrap yourself up in cotton wool and hibbernate for the rest of your days, you are not worthy of sharing this gods earth!!!"


To me they smack of a deeply bigoted religion! which ribbing seems to be.

If you're in my club, you'll go the heaven, if you're not, you'll rot in hell!

[Ice Kiddie]

Kath you're still missing the point.

If you think I'm out to score points at anyone's expense you're not only failing to read what I'm writing but failing to understand it too.

I'll tell you a little story one day soon which may halp you understand my point.

[jackeen's Missus]

Originally posted by Johnson
Just out of interest Kath, what do you think of these lines?

"Life is about feeling and being. You are all entitled to an opinion as I have mine.

To those of you who know me, I thank you all for your kind wishes and thoughts.

For those of you who speak against us wrap yourself up in cotton wool and hibbernate for the rest of your days, you are not worthy of sharing this gods earth!!!"

The first three lines I like...

Don't really understand the last bit.???

Missus

[Jon Fuller]

selective understanding?

[jackeen's Missus]

Hey Richard and Jon.

There's a depth in both your last posts which I appreciate.

Thanks for sticking with the discussion.

Sometimes I really need to clarify things.

Believe me I'm very uncomfortable with bigotry myself and I try to fight against stereotypes.

I have some WAAAAY better quotes than that one for you Jon but I'll have to pm them or peeps will think you've gone soft.

And Rich, my eyes are opened all the time the more I learn about people and situations (the last couple of weeks have been no exception.)

Missus

[jackeen's Missus]

Originally posted by Johnson
selective understanding?

No....it doesn't flow properly?

I will argue over something I believe in till the cows come home :D (behave) but I listen as I do so because I learn from those that disagree with me.
In fact we probably learn a lot more from those that disagree with us.

What do YOU think Forum Boss?

Missus

[Jon Fuller]

I think it's bullshit, and someones ego just got the supercharger it's wanted for years!

[jackeen's Missus]

What??????????:eek:

K

[Jon Fuller]

If you want to praise us, that's cool, if you want to diss us, you don't deserve to live!...you tell me kath, is that a normal, rational person?

[jackeen's Missus]

don't do the death threat stuff neither...

k

[Jon Fuller]

nite nite

[Jono]

Right! Here goes again....

I own a RIB (Yes FGT I know there's a new cream the medics are experimenting with). Its a big fat RIB based on a layout and design far more suited to the commercial world than the "sports" world. It's reasonabley fast 'cause I stuck a honkin' great outboard on the back. It is not, and never will be a "performance boat". I know this and I accept this.
I am, in my ego-inflated opinion, a fairly well balanced individual with some little experience of life and death and places in-between. I am neither a saint nor a bigot. Yes, before anyone goes there, I have had the joke about being well balanced “means a chip on each shoulder”.
I laugh at jokes about Gays, Coloured people, Irish people, people with infirmities and all manner of toilet humour, but, as with most laughter, it’s because the jokes are not targeted at me. I have Irish friends, I have “Black” friends, I have a friend with a hugely unpleasant disability that will end her life sooner than should be so and two of the nicest men I know are a couple.
. I am neither brave nor a coward. Somethings frighten me and somethings that frighten other people don’t frighten me at all. I pretty much accept responsibilities for my own actions and live my life accordingly. Occasionally I go off the rails, but know when I’ve done that and generally regret it afterwards. Road rage anybody? I don’t have anything to prove to anyone in life, because I’m comfortable with whom I am.
Now, before you all get bored with my ranting, I’ll come to the point.
I’ve been carefully watching the “debate” over the sinking of “Spirit” and subsequent rescue of her crew and, with the exception of a gentle dig at people to remember, in their thoughts, all the other people in their lives that deserve respect, have neither criticised nor praised the people involved. The bottom line is that I don’t know these people, so how do I know whether they are brave, foolish, courageous or mad. I don’t know whether they were doing the trip for the good of others, payment or ego, so I cannot comment on their honour or motives.
I only tend to get genuinely passionate about a few things really. One is cruelty to other people or creatures that cannot defend themselves. Read into that what you will. It may be because I was bullied at school, it may just be a psychological imbalance. Who knows? Another is bigotry and intolerance.
So there I was, sitting on the fence as usual, minding my own business and just observing when I read the post by Ageing Youth. I quote “you are not worthy of sharing this gods earth!!!

So, Ageing Youth, who told you that your views and opinions were the right ones? Do you have a direct line to the God you speak of? I think not.

This post has nothing to do with your recent trip and rescue. I have no first hand knowledge of that, as I wrote earlier. This is aimed straight at you for making such an unbelievably arrogant and bigoted remark.

Now as I see it, there are four possible responses to this post that you can make.

1) Ignore it and me. Your choice and one that I respect.
2) Understand what I’m saying, and if you see my point retract your statement.
3) Argue with me that you are right, prove your point that other people are not as worthy as you and I will apologise to you publicly on these forums.
4) Launch into an attack on the thoughts and character of someone you know nothing about (me!) and thereby reinforce my opinion, formed of you, by the remark in question.

If there is a fifth way, I’ll be delighted to hear it.

This post is written for BOATMAD, hence the reference to “performance boat”, but I am posting it on RIBnet so that no one can accuse me of “hiding” on the dark side.

Oh and one more thing. I’m away boating for a fortnight from tonight, so please don’t think I’m ignoring any responses, just out of contact….

Cheers and health and happiness to all reasonable people out there, Jono

[Jon Fuller]

Now why can't I write stuff like that?

Excellent! and with the courage of your convictions!...Bravo

[Captain Chaos]

top draw Jono!

[The gArfish]

Originally posted by Jono
it may just be a psychological imbalance.

yeeh i fink eyd gow wiv dis eksplanahun. de borld heddid bastud az cort madd cowes dizeez. hee sez heez gon onn izz ollidaiys sow dis iz de tyme too giv de bigg fkker a gud kikkin

gArf

[Chrisallse]

BLIMEY....:confused:

[Jon Fuller]

Yeah, but “You are not worthy of sharing this gods earth!!! is straight out of some bigoted religion! even if he wrote it with passion running wild, reading stuff like that back to yourself should make you see it as another might and edit the tone down a bit. Even if he were outside the editing permision time, a quick pm to JK and it would be sorted.

I think this is someone who feels like he's just been handed a microphone, and for the first time in his life everyone is listening to him! (with interest), kinda soap box situation, as it reads like a life story, not a thanks for everyones concern.

[Jon Fuller]

Interesting video of rescue

http://scotlandtoday.scottishtv.co.uk/content/mediaassets/video/030804rescue_56k.wmv

Priddy says "We appear to have hit something which tore the collar off the boat which allowed whatever we hit to tear the cabin front off the boat!"

I wonder if "what we hit" was the sea by any chance!

I think if Mr Priddy ended up with a 40' container, or a 6 ton log sitting on his lap he'd have recognised the culprit!

[Chrisallse]

Originally posted by Ice Kiddie
. the last I heard it was just Torkin Bollix that she was banned from? [/B]

No Willow is banned from all threads....Come on Johnson let her back...

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Chrisallse
Come on Johnson let her back...

Thank god for RIBnet!

[Rogue Wave]

Originally posted by Matt
Yeh, you're right. All this sitting on the fence shit is giving me a sore arse.

gArfie told me that was more to do with how you got to be a moderator

[Jon Fuller]

:sex: :D

[Jon Fuller]

Yeah, it was all that effort you put in

[jackeen's Missus]

Jono....you've been digging deep!!!very good point about jokes...and most peeps recognise jokes as fiction etc...

However when people are directly targeted they may not feel the same. One person's joke at another's expense may be seen as an 'insult' by that person (hence the recent banning of a member over a crack he made at JF's expense.)

I applaud your abhorrence of cruelty. As you are one of the 'powerful' people over here that's reassuring to the weaker members.

I think Bogib's back ... and Willowkis (she only posted some cute artwork for heaven's sake!!!!!!). So hopefully the Forum is displaying a more tolerant approach.

And in the spirit of tolerance may I plead again for a little time and understanding for people who had a very scary experience this week and suffered the loss of a boat some of us loved.

I'll say one last thing before I'm banned (I didn't realise you were banned three times JF...respect!!!)
If one of your boats went down I hope I'd come up with something better than 'OOPS'. I know...only jokin.

But there you go...

Missus :seaman:

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by jackeen's Missus


One person's joke at another's expense may be seen as an 'insult' by that person (hence the recent banning of a member over a crack he made at JF's expense.)

Don't push it Kath!


I think Bogib's back ... and Willowkis (she only posted some cute artwork for heaven's sake!!!!!!)

I see it more as being 'tolerated' as non posting members,


If one of your boats went down I hope I'd come up with something better than 'OOPS'.

Yes I'm sure the majority of RIBnet members would be wearing black armbands if Leviathan sank!....not.

Kath, please stop trying to turn Boatmad into some sort of politically correct club

[Chrisallse]

Originally posted by Johnson
Thank god for RIBnet!

Your quite right...its a better forum.

.I think the power is going to your head and you have lost the plot...You have also been offensive to a number of very nice people so before you ban me i shall bid you farewell

Chris.

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Chrisallse
so before you ban me i shall bid you farewell.
Chris.

Oki doki, - bon voyage! :wave:

[Chrisallse]

Originally posted by Matt
Chris, what are you getting so wound up about?

Dont like bullies..

[Chrisallse]

Originally posted by Johnson
How long you got

[Jon Fuller]

Hey WJ, How much was it you bet with me about what happened to Spirit?...did I hear ten grand :D

Quote: from post by Eg Walters on RIBnet

"definately not a whale--waves and pressure exerted by following sea breached the bow and separated front tube"

Take this statement, and Priddy's saying "whatever took the tube off, came in and took the cabin!"

Good old fashioned water pressure!

Although their speed is pretty low, I guess they could have been surfing down the backs of bign's picking up a fair speed (relatively speaking)

And you've got your answer.

I accept Paypal! :lol:lol:

[The gArfish]

Originally posted by Chrisallse
so before you ban me i shall bid you farewell


oi yew fkker, cum bakk dis minnit sow az wee cann bann yew propper. yew carnt jus reesine yew scrowte. ders no uvver fkker wiv a fakcun too taik de pis owt ov

ohhh fuk itt ders stil sum peepul wiv fawmewlas

gArf

[Rogue Wave]

Don't go Chris......whilst everything is a bit tetchy right now your sense of humour is needed over here. you know you can get away with more wisecracks here than ribnet.

i thought about leaving when Katleen was stripped of her epaulettes but I didn't cos I'd miss it

Don't let the mincer wind you up

[The gArfish]

Originally posted by Johnson
And you've got your answer.

ifn der waz a fkin medul forr smarrtarsis yood gett de viktorier kross yew smarrtarsre. i thort itt waz ownly fkin skawpiun toobs dat fel orf:laugh:

gArf

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by The gArfish
i thort itt waz ownly fkin skawpiun toobs dat fel orf:laugh:

gArf

Na, there all shite!:D ....runnin f cover.

Anyway, where's me 10K WJ?

[The gArfish]

Originally posted by Johnson
where's me 10K WJ?


ifn yew fink dat yorr gonna gett 10 000 kwid owt ov dat scoch gitt yoove gott morr fkin chansse ov gettin acrors de attalantik in dat leviapinnkthonng ov yorrs:drain: beesydes hee neads orl iz dossh forr selff ritin ekwipmunt forr iz fkin bote. wize upp de fatt controwler.

gArf

[jw.]

Originally posted by Johnson
Hey WJ, How much was it you bet with me about what happened to Spirit?...did I hear ten grand :D


You're crackin' up, nobba. Your imagination is runnin' riot. Whoever you had that conversation with, it wuznae me.

[Jon Fuller]

gArf said you wouldn'e pay up!

[Jon Fuller]

What about this?

Originally posted by jw.
I don't believe for one second that the wheelhouse fell off.


OK, mebbe there was no mention of money, but what made you say this?, water in vast quantity hitting the wheelhouse has enormous energy. And Spirit hardley had a streamlined wheelhouse, more like a sail, so it would only have to hit it 'just so' (belly flop) to create a huge shock.
You've only got to go out in a flat bottomed boat to see what I mean

[jw.]

Originally posted by Johnson
gArf said you wouldn'e pay up!

Too fkin right. Good on you gArfie.

[jw.]

Originally posted by Johnson
What about this?

Originally posted by jw.
I don't believe for one second that the wheelhouse fell off.

OK, mebbe there was no mention of money, but what made you say this?, water in vast quantity hitting the wheelhouse has enormous energy. And Spirit hardley had a streamlined wheelhouse, more like a sail.

Well it didn't 'fall off'. Of course big water could tear it off. But you didn't say that. Nobba, go get some sleep, you are crackin' up.

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by jw.
Well it didn't 'fall off'.

Oh right, what did it do then?

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Matt
Hang on, have they forgotten someone?


Well there's already fear mounting over his counting skills, have you seen how many miles he reckons he's done in that boat. :rolleyes: