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26-02-2007, 10:36 PM
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Big red boat
Back in the 1970's there was an Italian offshore powerboat that had a big delta wing over the cockpit. I think it was called Fiat, but I can't be saw.
Can anyone as old as me remember the boat. Better still if anyone has a beken postcard featuring this boat please contact me. Long shot maybe?
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26-02-2007, 10:54 PM
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check out little Nige's offshore library, i'm sure there will be pictures in there
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26-02-2007, 11:38 PM
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Good find Matt, but the one I am looking for must have been about 20 years earlier.
Your picture confirms it was a Fiat sponsered boat, but it was also an open boat.
I'm still looking through the archives but thinking I'm going to have to book an appointment at Specsavers at this rate. Trade my reading glasses in for two magnifying glasses and a long bit of string!
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26-02-2007, 11:45 PM
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Does any one know how much lift was generated by the wing at say its max race speed. i guess was 80 Knots.
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26-02-2007, 11:45 PM
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If you've got Java installed, you could click here:
http://media.boatmad.com/gallery/v/g...howapplet.html
Suggest you have a cup of tea and some rich tea biscuits ready, there's only 929 photos, and then you can start on the non racing shots and littlenige's one's too.
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26-02-2007, 11:46 PM
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When my new piece of software arrives I should be able to tell calculate it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by the bandit
Does any one know how much lift was generated by the wing at say its max race speed. i guess was 80 Knots.
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27-02-2007, 12:38 AM
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The wing on Debenhams (wing designed and built by Short Brothers, Ireland) was said to generate 2 tons of lift at it's top speed of 93mph.
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27-02-2007, 12:46 AM
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And I thought that the wing was just for keeping the boat level and counteract chine walking. I suppose the delta shape does help with this as well?
What is the present position on racing with wings. You never really see them anymore. P1 must outlaw them, but there again they outlaw most things these days.
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27-02-2007, 04:14 PM
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This one? Don't know when it raced though. Actually think it may have been mid 80s
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27-02-2007, 05:13 PM
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ah, there she is again
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27-02-2007, 09:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
The wing on Debenhams (wing designed and built by Short Brothers, Ireland) was said to generate 2 tons of lift at it's top speed of 93mph.
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Did they ever run it without the wing and if so what was the top speed? and did the wing improve handling? either in the rough or flat?
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27-02-2007, 09:52 PM
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You can see the restoration on the Buzzi website: http://fbdesign.it/newscesa.php
She looks good
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28-02-2007, 12:23 AM
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Was Cesa the same boat as Gancia dei Gancia?
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28-02-2007, 12:48 PM
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Yes it was Gancia dei Gancia when it won the world champs in Key West. I think that was in 1988
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28-02-2007, 04:59 PM
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This was it in Miami in Feb 2005, it was then bought and moved to the UK for P1 which didn't happen and was part exchanged for another P1 boat and renovated at Buzzis factory.
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28-02-2007, 05:28 PM
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would make a hell of a round britain boat and alot of publicity for fabio if he won again
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02-03-2007, 03:09 PM
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This it?
Cowes Classic 1994:
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02-03-2007, 03:44 PM
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On the Wing it says Wetpunkt, is that the same as the current P1 team?
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