Scams

Russ Downes · 01-06-2006, 07:01 PM

Im trying to sell my old boat at the moment and after bothering to write a detailed description of it and sending photos to someone who seemed at first to be interested they now have a shipping agent who owes them money blah blah blah!!!

Any ideas of how to waste some of this guys time??

Gav · 01-06-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by Russ Downes
!!!

Any ideas of how to waste some of this guys time??

better still, dont waste yours wasting his!! fkin lowlife mo fo's!

Rupert Munro · 01-06-2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by Russ Downes

Any ideas of how to waste some of this guys time??

Similar to that there was one guy who got one by email where they wanted to deposit money into their account etc etc etc (you know the ones) and then they said that they needed some money first etc etc so the guy pretended to be from a church and got them to wire money to him to enable him to set the money transfer working (blabbered on about how the church couldnt pay the transfer fee or something), anyway the scammer sent him £150 and got scammed himself!!

verytricky · 01-06-2006, 08:46 PM

Accept the money - then wait 45 days for the money to clear first...

Troels L · 02-06-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by verytricky
Accept the money - then wait 45 days for the money to clear first...

Money to clear after a bank transfer ???

Here in denmark it is your money as soon as they are on you
account - Is it different in the UK ?

The reason I am asking is that I am planning to buy a boat in UK...

Kind regards

Troels

Rupert Munro · 02-06-2006, 10:32 AM

In the UK the money is yours as soon as it gets to your account but if the credit card if fraudulently used then the payment can be recinded upto 45 day after you receive the money i.e. you could get the money, give them the boat and then in 45 days time you will find that you no longer have the money. it is similar when buying things from people who says they have people that owe them money - they buy an item from you and the money that is 'owed' to them is sent to you (usually more than the value of the item your selling) and they ask you to send the balance of the money to them, if you do they will get the excess and in 45 days you will find that you have lost the money that they were owed, leaving you out of pocket.

Hope this is of use

Rupert

Thunderbird Racing · 05-06-2006, 09:31 AM

Actually beware in the UK someone can still do a late stoppage after money has cleared into your account. i had one happen two years ago for £1600 for a precision panel saw, phoned bank said it had cleared in ok, so delivered saw. three days later found out once delivered buyer called his bank stopped cheque his bank contacted mine directly and they refunded him £1600. tosser disappeared with saw. Thanks to HSBC couldn't get a unpaid cheque order from court (within 24hrs of bouncing/stoppage) so only way was through police/solicitor. police not interested as civil and solicitor completely useless accept for making further £900.
So really thanks to HSBC had no come back they apologised for not calling me but that didn't get the £1600 and they wouldn't be held responsible !!
So Beware accepting cheques, i allow at least 3 days once cleared into my account before releasing goods.

verytricky · 05-06-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Thunderbird Racing
So Beware accepting cheques, i allow at least 3 days once cleared into my account before releasing goods.

No,

45 days.

You can still stop a cheque up to 45 days after clearing!

Jon Fuller · 05-06-2006, 11:35 AM

T bird, when you hear a story like that, it makes it clearer what total waste of Fkkn time it would be trying to pursue a splasher using the legal system. I wish a few more people here, and on ribnet were more realistic in their view of this stuff when commenting on the subject.

So did you wind up losing the 1600 quid + the 900 legal fees? that sucks!

Jono · 05-06-2006, 12:14 PM

Small claims Court ?

https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco/index.jsp

Cost about £120 to make a claim and is worth pursuing... trust me...

verytricky · 05-06-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by Jono
Small claims Court ?

https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco/index.jsp

Cost about £120 to make a claim and is worth pursuing... trust me...

Or not.

I have a CCJ against 'Springbok Motorsport' for £18000. It is worthless.
I have a further CCJ against Mike van Huisteen for £3500 and another for £500. Again worthless.

It is valid against a real and valuable company: I got back my £4500 from the guy who transacted Mike Van Huissteens credit card deals, because he has something to loose.

A company can fold in a day, or you can win a costly victory against a 'paper shell' and the business starts up again the next day with a new name.

Unless the person or company owns something of value you can attach, victory in court is meaningless!

Jono · 05-06-2006, 01:54 PM

... I was thinking of the HSBC for saying that the funds had cleared.......

Thunderbird Racing · 05-06-2006, 03:20 PM

Yeap out of pocket, small claims court doesn't always work only on cut and dried cases.

we hold a claim against someone for just over £4000 and he now works from home so the bailiffs went around to his address to collect goods and couldn't touch it as its a personal address.

I built 6 trailers for a company who ordered 20 and wanted 10 straight away who will remain nameless for now. They paid £80 dep on each trailer. got a phone call saying don't let him have them until he pays for them as he was being dodgy with others and so i didn't and guess what allsorts of excuses and lies and no money. legal advice was to make sure he recieved in writing that payment was due for the completed trailers and that after 30 days storage would need to be charged until paid for in full. gave him the opportunity to pay for them one at a time as he could afford but just got a pack of lies and threats back. so covered legally and if he wants to chase he now owes 10 months of storage. still lost out a couple of grand as the were to his own spec and not really suitable for many others so now changing all the axles to get some return on the frames built.

Legal system doesn't always work. i actually found out that he moved the sa to is g/f's pad and found out her address and rang. then got a call from the police saying it would be illegal and theft if i went around and collected my saw !! i am just biding my time now !!!

roofer · 05-06-2006, 04:35 PM

I fitted a new flat roof on a wedding dress shop a few years ago, the manageress at the the shop kept telling me I'd never get paid but I thought she was taking the piss because she was leaving the job at the end of the week.

After trying to get paid for a couple of weeks I went round when it was pissing down and removed the roof causing the ceilings to fall in, the guys solicitor sent me a bill for 17k for the damaged stock, A visit to the guys office put an end to that and never heard from him again.

Sometimes it pays to take the law into your own hands, I never got paid but I certainly felt better.

DAVE · 05-06-2006, 09:09 PM

Top Man......

verytricky · 06-06-2006, 12:43 PM

What does my head in is the Police insisting my engines are *not* stolen.

I think I prefer the 'old school rules' in dealing with some people!

minto · 07-06-2006, 05:11 PM

Had a case a couple of years back where 2 guys owed us money, the Police DID get involved as they were contacted by many other local firms telling the same story about these individuals.
After an entire evening giving a full statement down the local copshop they were taken to court and convicted of fraud. The courts gave them a fine which presumably went straight into the governments pocket rather than to the folk who were actually owed the money.