Anatomy of a Kiekhaefer Champion Maker race engine - Page 2

Delta28 · 20-10-2010, 01:18 AM

I'll answer that one myself... Kiekhaefer supported Doc Magoon with the second-ever Cigarette 36 off the line, from late 1970

In the words of one Captain Mainwaring: ...."You stupid boy..."

Move-over, Graham...

I'm back.

Both pictures by Sal Maugeri / Acme Photo and feaured in John O Crouse's Excellent (though repetitive and often inaccurate!) "Searace"...Bless him!!

Mike Bontoft · 20-10-2010, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

Are they Bassetts? i have a set of those

I am not sure who produced the headers for Mr K, I can't imagine they were done in house. Can you get a picture to compare?

Graham, Would love to see the drawings. Probably too large?

Again, great input.

FLYING FISH · 20-10-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Bontoft

I am not sure who produced the headers for Mr K, I can't imagine they were done in house. Can you get a picture to compare?

Graham, Would love to see the drawings. Probably too large?

Again, great input.

Now I know they look like the dead sea scrolls,but that`s what you get after nigh on 40yrs.

They piece together as follows,working left to right.

TOP - 8,6,4,2
BOTTOM - 7,5,3,1

BTW drg ref states Aeromarine Headers Assy Part No12 - 100714.

The above is the installation drg,the others I don`t think are as grim.
I could copy if you really need them.

Delta28 · 20-10-2010, 07:50 PM

August 1972...

Dr Carlo Bonomi demonstrates a well-prepared team and Kiekhaefer superiority...

littlenige · 21-10-2010, 10:16 PM

As we are hijacking Mike's thread a little and making it a Mr K tribute (!), here are a couple of pics. One of the great man himself and an advert from 1983.

Mike Bontoft · 22-10-2010, 09:25 AM

Thanks graham, Appreciate you posting the drawings. Just knowing they still exist and that you have them is enough.
Thanks Nige, Wondered where you were.
About a year ago I did a search and there was an old Sports Illustrated article which included a piece on the KAM engine with a picture. It seems to have vanished from the web.

Mr K connecting rod, he wasn't leaving anything to chance.

This is the original KAM harmonic balancer which is about twice the width of a stock chevy piece but it still looks like a stock factory part with GM type part number, In a search nothing comes up. I think it maybe for a GM industrial or stationary engine application. A generator would be run at a set rpm and may require a larger balancer to keep harmonics at bay.

littlenige · 22-10-2010, 09:58 AM

Mike maybe you wanted the 'vault' section on SI?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...6768/index.htm
I am going out shortly so don't have the time to scan the links for the article you wanted but I'm sure it'll be on the link somewhere! Other articles are linked further down the page.

Jim Brooker · 22-10-2010, 03:36 PM

This is the original KAM harmonic balancer which is about twice the width of a stock chevy piece but it still looks like a stock factory part with GM type part number, In a search nothing comes up. I think it maybe for a GM industrial or stationary engine application. A generator would be run at a set rpm and may require a larger balancer to keep harmonics at bay.

Hi Mike that Kam balancer, because of it's width and wight the outer ring would become unbounded from the inner and then brake in half, doing a lot of damage, we had one that wiped out the distributor
New type Viscous dampers are much better they don't bake-up.

Mike Bontoft · 23-10-2010, 02:40 AM

Hi Jimmy, Yes once you've had one fly apart you gain a new respect for this piece. We had one come apart on a dyno when I worked in Florida. Scared us to death, a few minutes before, I had been in the room with the timing light. After that we made a stand for the light and peered in through the window. The ATI product is probably the most popular over here and has shown good reliability, this is what I run, Although as you said the Viscous type Fluidamper is considered superior by some.

Jim Brooker · 23-10-2010, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Bontoft

Hi Jimmy, Yes once you've had one fly apart you gain a new respect for this piece. We had one come apart on a dyno when I worked in Florida. Scared us to death, a few minutes before, I had been in the room with the timing light. After that we made a stand for the light and peered in through the window. The ATI product is probably the most popular over here and has shown good reliability, this is what I run, Although as you said the Viscous type Fluidamper is considered superior by some.

Yes your right Mike it's very scary working and looking around an engine in a test cell with it running at full power.

Tony Davis · 23-10-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Bontoft

Although as you said the Viscous type Fluidamper is considered superior by some.

Meow

Delta28 · 29-10-2010, 06:15 PM

From Powerboat & Waterskiing and Powerboat (UK)

Dates: Jan 74, Jan 75, Sept 78

Note the "Not Mercury Marine"!

Delta28 · 29-10-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by littlenige

As we are hijacking Mike's thread a little and making it a Mr K tribute

Yeah, but no, but yeah... Mike did make the mistake of saying...

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Originally Posted by Mike Bontoft

Please feel free to add whatever information you can dig up.

So... I've just exhumed this (from 1973)...

brorit · 26-11-2010, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

More rubbish.

I also have some Kiekhaefer drgs.

Installation Drg
Transom Inner Plate
Assembly Drive Plate
Main Drive Gear

These were used for `Unowot`.

Dear Flying Fish,

although these drawings were used for Unowot I clearly see the transom of a 36 cigarette! Do you happen to have more of these drawings? I'm always looking for Cigarette boat plans for scale modelling purposes.

FLYING FISH · 26-11-2010, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by brorit

Dear Flying Fish,

although these drawings were used for Unowot I clearly see the transom of a 36 cigarette! Do you happen to have more of these drawings? I'm always looking for Cigarette boat plans for scale modelling purposes.

Cigarette 36 lines plans or G.A. are very elusive.I have yet to see one.Attached is a 32ft (In actual fact it`s a Cary 32,`The Cigarette` was never a cigarette as such)

The Kiekhaefer transom drg is 1:12 scale so you could lay that on the 32ft plan at a 36ft long position and re fair.I bet you wouldn`t be that far out.

FLYING FISH · 26-11-2010, 08:27 AM

Here`s an almost broadside view of a ciggy 36,which you could almost work to produce a fairly accurate profile,in conjunction with that transom drg.

Black_Tornado · 28-11-2010, 12:24 PM

Graham,your beauty pic is not a perfect longitudinal view.
Better these, I think.

brorit · 02-12-2010, 09:45 PM

Elusive indeed! But look what I have....

These are plans for building a scale model of a cigarette boat. By the somewhat stretched outline it seems more a 36 foot than the 32 foot "The Cigarette".

It says: lines taken from table of offsets for full size boat!

Because Don Aronow didn't use Cadcam technology in those days but rather crudely cut up and stretched hulls to create a new one I wonder if those offsets have ever existed.

Therefore I was much surprised to see the precise Kiekhaefer drawings of a 36transom.

SplitPin · 03-12-2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

The Kiekhaefer transom drg is 1:12 scale so you could lay that on the 32ft plan at a 36ft long position and re fair.I bet you wouldn`t be that far out.

1:12 scale is 1 inch to 1 foot, which is why the cigarettes my dad modelled were this scale.
A lot easier to convert as well.
Also the Airfix soldiers at the time made good scale crew with a little modification.

FLYING FISH · 03-12-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by brorit

Elusive indeed! But look what I have....

These are plans for building a scale model of a cigarette boat. By the somewhat stretched outline it seems more a 36 foot than the 32 foot "The Cigarette".

It says: lines taken from table of offsets for full size boat!

Because Don Aronow didn't use Cadcam technology in those days but rather crudely cut up and stretched hulls to create a new one I wonder if those offsets have ever existed.

Therefore I was much surprised to see the precise Kiekhaefer drawings of a 36transom.

Sounds like your a Cadcam man,with those comments re stretching hulls.If I were a loftsman ,I`d nail you to the loft floor while you observed how true skill in fairing lines were done,not by pressing buttons on a computer (half the characters who do it couldn`t fair a boat to save their life).I`ve been down that road many times,thank you.

Those lines you have found could still be a 32`.Look at the chine line in plan,and imagine cutting 4ft off.The chine would still be travelling outboard ,rather than stretching a 32ft where the lines are parallel to centreline of boat at aft end.Also the keel rocker would have been even larger than it is if stretched.It doesn`t look that fair anyway.Still a good base for a model.