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Old 01-04-2009, 01:02 PM   #21
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Old 07-04-2009, 08:58 PM   #22
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It would be interesting to know if Firecracker was Crescendo modified,but I have my doubts.Can`t see the pattern of Crescendo having that chine right forward,yet still referred to as a tremlett,whereas the others i.e.Island Hopper etc came from the Offshore Powerboat stable,unless of course Crescendo was an Offshore Powerboat with a Tremlett bottom.Be handy if your man `Blue Mist`,could clarify.Digging into the builders history throws up all sorts of odd info every time.
I spoke to the owner of ' Firecracker ' yesterday. It's his understanding that Firecracker was designed and built specifically for racing by Chris Tremlett.
She is still much as when originally built including her 250HP Perkins diesels. As a side issue the owner has acquired 'Prawn Cocktail' which is undergoing a complete restoration in the IOW. Designed by Don Shead and built by Souters/Woodnuts, shown running a Holman Moody 427 Ford in the 1970/71 CTC, the owner thinks she may have been built from the plug of Telstar? Could anybody confirm.......FF? Just to confuse, there is a boat called Snoopy in the 1969 CTC entry list with the same race number 044 and spec, could this be the same boat?
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Snoopy

Snoopy became Prawn Cocktail.
It could well be that Prawn Cocktail`s lines are as Telstar,they certainly look the same.No separate design number was given for Prawn Cocktail and only Telstar`s hull lines were drawn,no modified drawings for other boats done.It was probably agreed over the phone that Souter could build another Telstar hull.When you think the only drawings done for Telstar were the hull lines and the odd sterngear drawing,the rest decided on site.Your chum Norman Titcombe may know,Brian,he probably had a hand in building it.
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Prawn Cocktail had sat outside under some tarps for many many years (in Woodnutts Yard) - quite a few people had tried to buy her without luck as well. So good to here she is being restored.

By coincidence there is also the 28 Magnum called Snoopy - and that is also on the Isle of Wight.
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I always thought Crescendo became Firecracker, because if it did ,look at the chine position.It has the two Tremlett type locations at gunwale.Was that modified a la Island Hopper? The odd thing is ,all the `Tremlett` boats that are credited with a different builder i.e. Offshore Powerboats,Stapley,have the chine located almost at bow,which makes Island Hopper even more confusing as it was an Offshore Powerboat build,short of moving it.There again both Crescendo and Firecracker are listed as Tremlett.Ummmm!
Hey Guys, just thought i'd add a little extra on this Tremlett saga, there was also another 'Racing Tremlett' back in the 70's called Sandy Bay Girl, i used to see a fair bit on the river Exe, i think was then a retired racer back then, i was still a kid mind you on my dad's Westerly sail boat. If my memory serves me right Sandy Bay Girl looked very similar to the boat Firecracker in question, it might well have been the same boat even, be intereting to find out.
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This was a tremlett owned by Nat "The Thatcher", and he built his own surface drive for it.

He used to race against my parents Richard and Sue Griffith when they had their Tremlett "Anything Goes".
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Sandy bay Girl

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See earlier in this thread for a bit more ...
Sandy Bay Girl built 1973/4 on the banks of the River Clyst. Definetly not the same boat as Jack Renouf's 'Firecracker'. The SBG hull was designed/built by Nat Barkwill and had a Tremlett fibreglass deck put on top.
Originally named "Miss Supercavitation" until Mid August 1975 when John Lee of Sandy Bay Holiday Park purchased a new engine ('Blue Special' Perkins 6.354 dot 3 spec) as we blew a con rod out the side during the 1975 Needles International Race only a week before the big one ... the CTC.
The new engine was put in by the boat owner, designer and builder Thatcher (genius) Nathan Barkwill in the next couple of days in Poole and we won the CTC Beaverbrook Trophy a few days later.
This boat was the first boat racing (@ Lymington National 1974) "Offshore" to use Surface Drive supercavitating propulsion.
John Crouse and a few others thought (wrongly) that Telstar with her Daytona Strut and equipoise prop was the first.
She held the UK National CC2 Record at Windermere 75, making her the fastest cabin cruiser in the World but did not officially get the World Record as the UK national speed was, although a higher speed, was less than the required 2% higher to officially qualify.
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See earlier in this thread for a bit more ...
Sandy Bay Girl built 1973/4 on the banks of the River Clyst. Definetly not the same boat as Jack Renouf's 'Firecracker'. The SBG hull was designed/built by Nat Barkwill and had a Tremlett fibreglass deck put on top.
Originally named "Miss Supercavitation" until Mid August 1975 when John Lee of Sandy Bay Holiday Park purchased a new engine ('Blue Special' Perkins 6.354 dot 3 spec) as we blew a con rod out the side during the 1975 Needles International Race only a week before the big one ... the CTC.
The new engine was put in by the boat owner, designer and builder Thatcher (genius) Nathan Barkwill in the next couple of days in Poole and we won the CTC Beaverbrook Trophy a few days later.
This boat was the first boat racing (@ Lymington National 1974) "Offshore" to use Surface Drive supercavitating propulsion.
John Crouse and a few others thought (wrongly) that Telstar with her Daytona Strut and equipoise prop was the first.
She held the UK National CC2 Record at Windermere 75, making her the fastest cabin cruiser in the World but did not officially get the World Record as the UK national speed was, although a higher speed, was less than the required 2% higher to officially qualify.
Great bit of history, i can see by littlenige's pic of SBG that she is different from Firecracker. At least now i know all of her History, does anybody know if SBG still exists..?
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I always thought Crescendo became Firecracker, because if it did ,look at the chine position.It has the two Tremlett type locations at gunwale.Was that modified a la Island Hopper? The odd thing is ,all the `Tremlett` boats that are credited with a different builder i.e. Offshore Powerboats,Stapley,have the chine located almost at bow,which makes Island Hopper even more confusing as it was an Offshore Powerboat build,short of moving it.There again both Crescendo and Firecracker are listed as Tremlett.Ummmm!
Firecracker was bought from Tremlett as a bare hull and finished by my father Jack Renouf.
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Agree with John Renouf, above Firecracker was one, if not the first, 32' bare hull 'skins', sold with transom on, by Chris T. Definitely was the first successful one. Even with a fairly steep shaft angle ran over 50 mph across Torbay after fitting out, on an early test, and that was fast in them days.
Firecracker gave Nat Barkwill the idea of building Sandy Bay Girl and he thought hard to resolve the steep prop shaft angles that he strongly (& correctly) believed were taking a lot of potential off Firecracker's speed; so he put surface drives on Sandy Bay Girl! And so SBG became the first offshore racing boat to race with supercavitating surface props (Lymington National Race in 1974). He stayed at Jack Renouf's at the time of the race and after during the salvage of SBG as she went green when running alongside the OP1 Blitz when the 'cabin class' specified cooker on SBG fell through a hole that appeared in the bottom of the light lay up SBG (as Fabio says - "you can learn more after a day's racing on the Solent, than a year of testing anywhere else"!). SBG's liferaft was put to immediate important use and was inflated inside the cabin to keep her afloat. Nat says Jack R helped him out a lot. He had already assisted him locating 2 x dot 3 blue Perkins racing Perkins engines (the first 250 hp racing turbo diesels made) and they were "like rocking horse shit" to get hold of. Both Firecracker and Sandy Bay Girl won the Beaverbrook Trophy in the 70's.
Crescendo was an earlier 4 x 200 hp Jaguar engined boat, owned by W. Andrews and somewhat different story with no connection other than the River Exe (the prime home of offshore racing). The selling of 'skins' by Chris Tremlett was the origin of the confusing 'other' builders mentioned with Tremlett's hulls - such as 'Offshore Powerboats' of the Strand in Topsham, Ray Stapley ('cut em down the middle take a bit off each side and glue em back together'), etc.
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Agree with John Renouf, above Firecracker was one, if not the first, 32' bare hull 'skins', sold with transom on, by Chris T. Definitely was the first successful one. Even with a fairly steep shaft angle ran over 50 mph across Torbay after fitting out, on an early test, and that was fast in them days.
Firecracker gave Nat Barkwill the idea of building Sandy Bay Girl and he thought hard to resolve the steep prop shaft angles that he strongly (& correctly) believed were taking a lot of potential off Firecracker's speed; so he put surface drives on Sandy Bay Girl! And so SBG became the first offshore racing boat to race with supercavitating surface props (Lymington National Race in 1974). He stayed at Jack Renouf's at the time of the race and after during the salvage of SBG as she went green when running alongside the OP1 Blitz when the 'cabin class' specified cooker on SBG fell through a hole that appeared in the bottom of the light lay up SBG (as Fabio says - "you can learn more after a day's racing on the Solent, than a year of testing anywhere else"!). SBG's liferaft was put to immediate important use and was inflated inside the cabin to keep her afloat. Nat says Jack R helped him out a lot. He had already assisted him locating 2 x dot 3 blue Perkins racing Perkins engines (the first 250 hp racing turbo diesels made) and they were "like rocking horse shit" to get hold of. Both Firecracker and Sandy Bay Girl won the Beaverbrook Trophy in the 70's.
Crescendo was an earlier 4 x 200 hp Jaguar engined boat, owned by W. Andrews and somewhat different story with no connection other than the River Exe (the prime home of offshore racing). The selling of 'skins' by Chris Tremlett was the origin of the confusing 'other' builders mentioned with Tremlett's hulls - such as 'Offshore Powerboats' of the Strand in Topsham, Ray Stapley ('cut em down the middle take a bit off each side and glue em back together'), etc.
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Brilliant,
I love all this boat history stuff..
And another piece of history is the fact that the basic transmission and running gear including the Vee drives for Sandy Bay Girl I sold to Nat when I re-engines "Magnum Tornado" so all those parts had been on the bottom of Lyme Bay beforehand. Best of all the Vee drives were handed but Nat thought that they sounded better running in the opposite hand so he ran them backwards to the cut of the gears. It worked though !!! Good old Cassel.
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And another piece of history is the fact that the basic transmission and running gear including the Vee drives for Sandy Bay Girl I sold to Nat when I re-engines "Magnum Tornado" so all those parts had been on the bottom of Lyme Bay beforehand. Best of all the Vee drives were handed but Nat thought that they sounded better running in the opposite hand so he ran them backwards to the cut of the gears. It worked though !!! Good old Cassel.
Brilliant again, it just gets better... thanks for that Ian...!!
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Thanks Ian
Are you referring to SBG?
I thought the shafts were off Miss Dunhill - but am sure you're right as memory fades ...
The Casal box was fair bullet proof ... lasted through 1975 until Windermere Records Week. Seem to remember there were 2 gas turbine boats running that week. After breaking the National Cabin Class 2 record at a speed higher than the CC1- port forward Casal V-drive box started playing up on the way back to the pontoons and the last morning's run. The speed recorded was higher than the Argies' World Record - but by insufficient margin to classify as a World Record ... a bit of magic from 'Nat the Thatch' and now Friday 3pm. ... the Casal was back in place, ready for more punishment ... last day ... afternoon ... World Record at stake ... John Reed (YRA pwbt sec.) refused to let SBG run ... wait in the queue! ... for half a dozen Class IV's to do Performance Runs ... Too dark ... time to stop now ... After accompanying Nat as he eat 2 X T-bone steaks on the trot, in the pub next to the Lowood - trucked back home to the Exe with an illegal (too wide at 11ft) load plus a UK National Record - standing at a higher speed than the World Record ... Good old RYA somethings never change!
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