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06-12-2009, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by hunton69
Because some idiot twats a hard boat while moored or nicks your fendors
and it don't sink when you race it. ( Hopefully )
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I think your spot on there, my real reason for prefereing the rib version is somet to help stop it sink if the hull holes (hopefully the collar is still stuck on) AND mostly the ability to withstand twats that moor up next to ya....... having said that ive seen boaters literally squash ribs and bounce off em, because they think exactly the same
Theres another reason for a rib now. EXTRA racing classes
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06-12-2009, 09:43 AM
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numbskull
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I've had more 'twats' with ribs moor up against me than any other type of boat.
That's because they're under the misguided impression, that because they've got a rotten chunk of rubber fendering glued to their ironing board, they don't need fenders. It also seems to encourage the driver to think he can/should just bump into and scrape against anything they choose....no doubt part of the camo gear & bowie knife mentality. Nasty black rubber scuffs being the least you can expect, and damaged graphics or more, being the worst.
Still, I guess if you feel uncertain of your ability to moor up, or manouvre gently and accurately, and you can't be persuaded to just stay the fkk away from the water, a rib is less likely to do serious damage in bad, unskilled hands than a hard boat, that is true.
As for sinking, as Alan Priddy about unsinkable boats. And his didn't even have a hole in it.
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06-12-2009, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
I've had more 'twats' with ribs moor up against me than any other type of boat.
Still, I guess if you feel uncertain of your ability to moor up, or manouvre gently and accurately, and you can't be persuaded to just stay the fkk away from the water, a rib is less likely to do serious damage in bad, unskilled hands than a hard boat, that is true.
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I'm sure swipes was about to make love to the fuel ponton just before the last marathon race
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06-12-2009, 11:59 AM
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numbskull
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Yes, quite intemate.
However, I'm not guilty me lud.
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06-12-2009, 02:55 PM
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The only reason i said a Rib version would be fabulous is because personally I am one to say that you cant beat a Rib as an all rounder/ all sea type craft. After seeing the boats that Kitten produces I am sure that a Rib version of the current project would be fabulous and hard to beat in any circumstance !!
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06-12-2009, 04:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
Still, I guess if you feel uncertain of your ability to moor up, or manouvre gently and accurately, and you can't be persuaded to just stay the fkk away from the water, the you should get a job driving the Folly taxi
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Fixed for you
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06-12-2009, 05:15 PM
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Now if I hadn't been a victim of that pratt myself, that would be well funny.
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07-12-2009, 12:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
As for sinking, as Alan Priddy about unsinkable boats. And his didn't even have a hole in it.
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Most ribs look like skate boards without tubes and as a result are probably no more or less likely to sink than a hardboat, if the tubes come off ur fecked just like sticking a hole in a hardboat. However Boats like revengers 31, despite not being much of a looker, having both has got to increase chances of survival, a proper hull and an arm band... Bonus... Just need a brown bag over ya head so people cant see you in it.
http://www.revenger.co.uk/revenger31/rev31inb.html
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07-12-2009, 08:54 AM
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Proper buoyancy will stop a hard boat sinking and placed in the correct positions will also hold it level just like a swamped Rib.
When I was racing in OCR with Derek in a Phantom 19 we stuffed it in Scotland (quite quickly) and the boat came up perfectly level saving the electrics in the dash and motor - we had the XR2 running in 20 minutes!
Of course you may struggle to to squeeze sufficient inner tubes in to keep a pair of diesels afloat!
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07-12-2009, 09:44 AM
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[QUOTE=glen76;172574]Most ribs look like skate boards without tubes and as a result are probably no more or less likely to sink than a hardboat, if the tubes come off ur fecked just like sticking a hole in a hardboat.QUOTE]
Not that true, as ive tested many RIBs that have had their tubes removed, Scorpion for one, have done tests, where they have not had their tubes fitted, to see the worst case performance. I have even made a channel crossing when a tube got damaged in three chambers on the port side, made back to the solent fine. Ive ran two Ribtec's flat out with no tubes in the past. An 8 meter and a 6. Ofcoarse this is in ideal, light conditions and if you were in a big sea then yes the deck is likely to take on water.
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07-12-2009, 12:34 PM
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numbskull
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cookee
Of course you may struggle to to squeeze sufficient inner tubes in to keep a pair of diesels afloat!
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I haven't done the sums because I'm lazy, but you can probably remember / appreciate the shere volume of balsa that went into the 32, much of which was 25mm. Basically, the entire skin of the boat is balsa cored with one thickness or another. That displacement alone is substantial, + we have large hypalon bouyancy bags up front (3) So if Swipes was damaged enough to sink, it would probably be the least of our worries, and I doubt we'd want it back in that state anyway.
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07-12-2009, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
I haven't done the sums because I'm lazy, but you can probably remember / appreciate the shere volume of balsa that went into the 32, much of which was 25mm. Basically, the entire skin of the boat is balsa cored with one thickness or another. That displacement alone is substantial, + we have large hypalon bouyancy bags up front (3) So if Swipes was damaged enough to sink, it would probably be the least of our worries, and I doubt we'd want it back in that state anyway.
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Quite a lot of Balsa went into that one!
What I meant to say (but didn't) was that it would not be sufficient to keep the stern out of the water and would most likely float bows up.
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07-12-2009, 01:43 PM
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as jeff used to always say ' we each have a stanley blade, you try to sink the hard boat before i sink the rib'
really don't understand why ribs are thought to be better in the rough or more userable.
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07-12-2009, 02:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Stone
really don't understand why ribs are thought to be better in the rough or more usable.
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I do.
A delicate bend of stupidity, and good marketing.
Religion is sold in a similar way, with similar success.
If you have a couple of hours spare, check this out.
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07-12-2009, 02:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cookee
Quite a lot of Balsa went into that one!
What I meant to say (but didn't) was that it would not be sufficient to keep the stern out of the water and would most likely float bows up.
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Agreed, very 'nose up'.
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07-12-2009, 04:04 PM
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are these hypalon bouyancy bags some sort of fancy type of hardboaters tube then jon
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07-12-2009, 04:19 PM
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Sort of, but without the 'FUGLY' factor. and a gentle stuff won't rip the tender wee things off, like Priddy did, and Chris Strickland used to (on a regular basis)
The other benefit of internal bouyancy is, it doesn't become compulsory to wear cammo gear and drive everywhere with a Bowie knife between your teeth. So saves a lot of aggro.
Still, each to their own eh.
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07-12-2009, 06:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
The other benefit of internal bouyancy is, it doesn't become compulsory to wear cammo gear and drive everywhere with a Bowie knife between your teeth. So saves a lot of aggro.
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I remember my step dads comments on our 1st outing in the rib, we were all dressed er normal and a ribcraft went past with a load of telly tubbies on board... Or so he thought.
Jon, is the amount of balsa you used calculatable in terms of bouyancy, or just a positive side effect while adding the strength??
Also is the amount of balloons you carry specified in the rules??
AND have you specific insurance that covers whilst racing?? Incase she does go down??
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07-12-2009, 08:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TomLinley
.... I have even made a channel crossing when a tube got damaged in three chambers on the port side.....
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Was that a Phantom Evo?
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07-12-2009, 08:26 PM
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numbskull
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Downhilldai
Was that a Phantom Evo?
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No, the damage to the loaned Phantom Evo was all due to poor driving and engineering skills by the 'users'.
I heard there could have been a mixture of alcohol & stupidity that caused most of the damage.
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