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10-02-2009, 02:16 PM
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Buzzi boats
These 2 Buzzi boats seem to have undergone a few mods, firstly why change the Trimax drives to Arneson drives in both boats and why change the tubes, although I could understand if the original grey was a bit dull also the superstructure area can be seen grey Buzzi colour yet the hull has been re-painted white
https://www.apolloduck.com/feature.phtml?id=100666
Is this boat really a Cesa clone, I think it is if you just look at the shape and add a wing, would need some serious work to make it more race boat and less cruiser but I still recon it could be made into a clone of Cesa and all that wood on it's ass end yuk, pity the Euro is still not 1.7 to the £1 that would of made either of these an endurance racer possibility for some
https://www.apolloduck.com/feature.phtml?id=88745
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10-02-2009, 03:54 PM
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Theres definitely some crossover between Buzzi and C&B Nautica
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10-02-2009, 06:34 PM
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Theres definitely some crossover between Buzzi and C&B Nautica
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Ye that's what I thought, perhaps it's the RB84 winner White Iveco under all that fake wood and Cesa has 2 steps from the pics but White Iveco 1 step
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10-02-2009, 10:45 PM
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steps look a bit different to be iveco
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10-02-2009, 11:04 PM
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am i missing something?
this is from an earlier post by wiggy808 titled
Anyone recognise this?
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11-02-2009, 08:19 AM
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White Iveco isn't a Buzzi design.
He borrowed and used the moulds to build his own boat and added the 'step', which at first was a complete failure, he then modded it (reducing the amount of rocker that the step gave), where upon it was usable, but he doesn't speek fondly of White Iveco. He says it was shite.
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11-02-2009, 08:35 AM
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What was the original hull, and was the unstepped one also known as shite?
Or was it Buzzi's step that made it shite?
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11-02-2009, 08:40 AM
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I can't remember who's the original was. I think that as a generic V, it was probably (like most) a reasonable boat. He said that his first attempt at stepping it, introduced far too much rocker, and it ran with it's nose in the air summat awful. they cut it about and altered the new rear running surface angle of attack, improving it greatly, but as I said, he doesn't seem at all fond of it. Mind you, I spose he wouldn't, as he went on to do his own bigger boats, he's sure to big them up, rather than someone elses that he messed with.
Mr Buzzi is very 'pro' Buzzi products, unsurprisingly.
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11-02-2009, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
I can't remember who's the original was. I think that as a generic V, it was probably (like most) a reasonable boat. He said that his first attempt at stepping it, introduced far too much rocker, and it ran with it's nose in the air summat awful. they cut it about and altered the new rear running surface angle of attack, improving it greatly, but as I said, he doesn't seem at all fond of it. Mind you, I spose he wouldn't, as he went on to do his own bigger boats, he's sure to big them up, rather than someone elses that he messed with.
Mr Buzzi is very 'pro' Buzzi products, unsurprisingly.
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I never realised that White Iveco was not a Buzzi design, I had assumed wrongly that Cesa was a progression in design from that successful RB84 boat, one can understand him being very pro his own design's especially after all the racing/marketing to get the name into the world arena, still very jealous of your factory tour with the great man
PS ... Andy/Wiggy sorry if I stole your pic but I do believe the one you posted and the one I posted are different boats, the one you posted has a yellow top mine grey and yours with the customary grey tubes mine re-made yellow ones, yours also looks like it has Trimax drives my pic said Arneson drives, which prompted my question why change the Buzzi setup or perhaps Buzzi did make a few with Arneson but somehow I doubt that, and I would assume the Tecno 40 was a ribbed version of the 38' winged race boat
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11-02-2009, 11:28 AM
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White Iveco origins
Looked in Buzzi`s `Planning to win` book but did not manage to find any reference to the original hull design,but what caught my eye was his diatribe re the final RB84 leg.
Quote - `For the last time,as always,we all stand in a row and urinate overboard,and,as always,Lady Arran,at that very moment leaves the harbour,thus greatly inhibiting our `functions`.Our friends wave goodbye after repeating the few Italian expressions they have learned in our company such as rompiballe(ball breaker),va fan`culo (up yours) and cazzo duro (stiff prick).
Can`t image that diatribe appearing in a Sopwith autobiography,but knowing Lady A I bet that really made her chuckle.
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11-02-2009, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYING FISH
Looked in Buzzi`s `Planning to win`
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That is not an easy book to find!!
I assume you have the Italian>English conversion with it too?
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11-02-2009, 01:48 PM
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The White Iveco had some C&B Corse stickers on it so I guess it was a Fulvio Bertinetti design.
For the Cesa clone cfun posted above it is one of only four Cigala & Bertinetti Nitro 50 (with those pylons) pleasureboats I have seen so far. They were all single step boats but in some renderings C&B used for advertising the boat was shown as a twin step. The later version with the new deck was twin step only.
Here is one that is for sale in the States:
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11-02-2009, 02:05 PM
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Buzzi book
Progettare per Vincere (Planning to win) was published by Mursia (Italian publisher).It was advertised a while ago in World of Powerboats.There two other excellent books on offshore,also published by Mursia.L`avventura dell`offshore covering (61-76) and Questo e` l`offshore covering (77 - 87).
These books were obtained several years ago and it`s debatable whether they are still available,but try Google/ebay.you never know.
The Buzzi book was 1994 from Ugo Mursia Editore S.p.a
Via TRADINO,29 - Milano
ISBN 88-425-1776-3
L`avventura was 1977
Questo was 1988
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11-02-2009, 02:57 PM
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thats definitely the same as cesa
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03-03-2009, 05:59 PM
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Now this looks interesting 50-63K Euro's I defo want
Looks very much like the winged Buzzi boats raced in class 2 some years back
http://classified.nauticexpo.com/sma...port-6009.html
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17-09-2013, 11:50 AM
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Looking For A Book...
Good morning !
I am looking for Fabio Buzzi "Progettare per vincere" book. Is there someone disposable to sell me one copy?!
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Originally Posted by FLYING FISH
Progettare per Vincere (Planning to win) was published by Mursia (Italian publisher).It was advertised a while ago in World of Powerboats.There two other excellent books on offshore,also published by Mursia.L`avventura dell`offshore covering (61-76) and Questo e` l`offshore covering (77 - 87).
These books were obtained several years ago and it`s debatable whether they are still available,but try Google/ebay.you never know.
The Buzzi book was 1994 from Ugo Mursia Editore S.p.a
Via TRADINO,29 - Milano
ISBN 88-425-1776-3
L`avventura was 1977
Questo was 1988
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17-09-2013, 01:09 PM
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