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[Black_Tornado]

Can I know what you talk on this thread with Jon?
A Cigarette model?
What the link?

[TimB-C]

Les Embiez and I appologise if the spelling is wrong

[Black_Tornado]

Originally Posted by TimB-C

Les Embiez and I appologise if the spelling is wrong

Then the Dauphin D'Or two weeks after the Viareggio-Bastia-V.
I know that Cosentino was in the red Bertram.
It's uncorrect?

[TimB-C]

Francesco ran the red in Cowes and took both the red and the cary 32 with cut down deck to Dauphin, V took 2 Blacks, He was having a few problems with engines so was trying to cover all bases, It was on the friday testing that F C duped us in the water,not the race. the cut down I believe was never raced again, All I remember is F crying with laughter at us swimming..............He had the most wonderful scence of humour, usually directed at A Petroni.....They had a very strong bond, Something V B never achieved.....He and Carl K did not get along. I never knew why....... but it was very unsettling indeed.
F C & M V did not get along..............with J S......... Mike was forced out

[TimB-C]

F C also had a yellow Bertram, but can't remember which year.........think it was V B's first

[Black_Tornado]

Tim, I think it was the Yellow Tornado,former Sternwinder of the American Sirois.
Balestrieri bought it to compete in the last races in USA,after that the Tornado sank during the CTC in 1968.
Then in 1969 the boat became the Red or White Tornados.

[Black_Tornado]

Tim,when you talk about a Cary.32' with cut down deck in 1970 for FC,to what you refer?
Here the two Cary 32' at Naples Trophy 1970.

P.S if you have not never visited the site of VB here you will find many photos for your memories.

http://albaco.net/tornado/index.html

[Black_Tornado]

Here instead the Cary 32' modified in 1971,with a new flat deck on plywood and shortened to 31' drove by VB only.
After the VBV with rough seas the light deck went to broke and VB abandoned it,sending back in Florida the boat,that never used again.

[TimB-C]

I remember the wood eck, think VB and Don had a falling out over it!!
On the 89 of FC they reduced the hull topsides to below the chine as on the outboard hulle (Cigarrilo which I owned for a while and went to Norway.......
We ran it once there with the person who bought it from me....... and he took me thru some narrows and he didn't realise there was a hawser across the pass, nearly decapited us both and took the 4 BP power heads of the transom !!!!

[Black_Tornado]

I have always thought that the two 32' they were not equal.
From some photos it seemed me more' small the 32' of FC.
You now confirm me my suspects.
Then 32' of FC had the sides more low as in the outboards versions?
I believe that VB and FB exchanged the two 32' during the season 1970. It's true?

[Black_Tornado]

Here you,Jack and VB at the Needles Trophy 1970.
Were you afraid to meet here also a hawser?

[Black_Tornado]

And here you maybe at the CTC(or the Needles?) of the same year.
How many races you made with VB?
You was aboard the BT 36' on 1972?

[BluFin]

That is a cowes pic, just before the start flag. Often thought how the little cruiser handled the sloppy water after they went by !!

[TimB-C]

I always used to hold my breath and close one eye at the start in those days!!! 70 odd boats doing anything fom 23 to 70+ and rolling sickeningly, then Spirit of Ecstacy bulldozing thru the pack.......................definately baggy trousers.............

[TimB-C]

VB and FC continually changed boats, FC stopped running the cut down, 1 because we kept falling out.if not overboard on to the hatch covers and 2 because FC kept taking a lot of bruising from the wheel being so low......... He was a big man and the wheel just below the waist.... ideal for VB .Anything about JS in private only
It is the first time I have seen the photo from Poole, it is us running along by Hurst Castle before entering the Solent on our way to the Nab Tower ande then back to Weymouth and home....Offshore at its best when IT WAS offshore.........
Has Alberto S still got the Piccotti?? I know his son was using it sometimes..

[Top Banana]

There is another Cigarette model on e-bay now.

[TimB-C]

link please as I can't find it !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Black_Tornado]

Tim, The CUV 38' of Smania(it wasn't a Picchiotti) sunk during a Venice to Montecarlo race in the last of eighties.
Was recovered?

[TimB-C]

Yes it was salvaged it sank on the second leg I was in Giesse............ and I think you will find was a pic..........??not the one Alberto ran later in his career with which he was so sucsesfull..a CUV....

[Black_Tornado]

That boat it's really unsinkable(not like the Titanic) because during the VBV in 1980 went on flame near the Gorgona when it was fighting close to close with the Toleman's Bertram.
Days after I spent hours inside the boat to clean it from the smut....with the avio...I came out seconds before faint.