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Old 12-01-2006, 09:03 PM   #1
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Identification number at a P18 ???

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I´am looking for a identification or building number of my Phantom 18. It was build in 1994 or 1995. Has this boat a number? Where can i find it? I think i have looked everywhere at this boat but nothing to find.
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Old 12-01-2006, 10:28 PM   #2
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Underneath the bonnet it should be spray painted into the glass in big writing
or the transom on the Right hand corner just below the the bumpstip.
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copied from one of Jon's posts, used to be at the top of the technical section

Phantom Hull Identification
I've managed to sieve this data from my 'incomplete data back-up'!

Gavin Brown was asking about Hull ID the other day, so here goes:


Phantom Hull identification

Info for determining the age of Phantom boats

'Boats built before October 1987 had a simple reversed date system on the transom, i.e. If your boat has the numbers '860322' your boats construction was first started on: 22nd March 1986

From October 1987, to December 1997, things were a little more complicated, the hull ID consisted of a number (in most cases 3 digits), followed by a single letter. i.e.: 021J The number represents the build number, in sequence, across the model range, for that financial year. And the letter represents the financial year in which it was built (April to March) The first 2 years though, were, just to be confusing, different!, boats built from October 1987 to December 1987, used the letter 'A' (2 month period) Boats built from January 1988 to March 1989, used the letter 'B' (15 month period) From then on, each letter represents each financial year (excluding 'I') as follows:

Oct 87---Dec 87 ='A' (2 months)

Jan 88---Mar 89 ='B' (15 months)

Apr 89---Mar 90 = 'C'

Apr 90---Mar 91 ='D'

Apr 91---Mar 92 = 'E'

Apr 92---Mar 93 = 'F'

Apr 93---Mar 94 = 'G'

Apr 94---Mar 95 = 'H'

Apr 95---Mar 96 = 'J'

...............(missed 'I')

Apr 96---Mar 97 = 'K'

Apr 97---Dec 97 = 'L' (9 months)

So, a boat with the HIN: 021J would be the 21st boat built by phantom in the financial year 1996. One would need to refer to the factory records to determine exactly what model it would have been, and in which Month it was built.

From January 1998, the standard RCD (recreational craft directive) HIN system was used. This defines the boat in more detail, i.e. the country of origin, the manufacturers code, the boat model, the boat No, the month and year of production, and the model year. For example, GB-PHA28016H303 would be a phantom 28, built in GB, by Phantom boats, it would be the 16th P28' built to date, the build began in Aug 2003, and it is a 2003 model year. It splits up like this: Great Britain-Phantom boats-28'-No16-started in Aug 2003-2003 model. Clear as mud!
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Has someone a photo where i can find the ID? I have looked everywhere but i can´t find it. Maybye something is not ok with my eyes!?!
Maybye the oil-tank or the batterie is mounted over the number? I will be very pleasure about a photo where i can find it.



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Old 03-04-2006, 01:54 PM   #5
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Hey Dragon,

The 'HIN' should be located on the transom in the area circled in this picture. It's on the outside tho' and it sounds like you're looking on the inside!

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Outside i can´t find a ID number. And yes i have looked inside, too.
The boat has the first colour and there is nothing to find.
I have bougth the boat from the first hand and the first owner doesn´t find the number eihter.
The boat should be build about 1995.
It must have a ID or not ?!?
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Old 03-04-2006, 06:26 PM   #7
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It must have a ID or not ?!?
Yes, all genuine Phantoms have an ID in that location.
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There is no ID!
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Old 03-04-2006, 07:53 PM   #10
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Hmm smells like a phoney Phantom. Leave now or get sued and/or banned
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Old 03-04-2006, 08:57 PM   #11
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The rubbing streak is not the type used by Phantom UK either.

I've seen that style on a few Europe derived copies, such as Chris Dodges brothers P28 copy, and Clive Bakers P28 copy.

Looks like you may have a Fake there! Out of Interest, where did the 'first hand' owner you spoke of, buy the boat originaly?.....
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Old 03-04-2006, 09:24 PM   #12
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Er........ Bremen

Just a guess
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The rubbing streak is not the type used by Phantom UK either.

I've seen that style on a few Europe derived copies, such as Chris Dodges brothers P28 copy, and Clive Bakers P28 copy.

Looks like you may have a Fake there! Out of Interest, where did the 'first hand' owner you spoke of, buy the boat originaly?.....
Don´t make me nervous!!!
Yes he has bought the boat originaly and new in 1995. When i remember me right than he bought it in the netherlands.
Please not a fake.
How can i decide between a original and a fake?
Please don´t tell me about the ID!

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Here is a picture without the tarpaulin! Maybye you can see a little bit more of the construction from this ??"PHATNOM 18"??
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Old 03-04-2006, 10:15 PM   #15
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Is the boat finished in gelcoat, or has it been painted? Maybe if it's been painted, the HIN has been lost in the preparation!

Just a thought.
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It think it is finished in gelcoat.
The upper part of the P18´s looks different. When i look at the web site "www.phantompowerboats.net " the picture from the P18 seems to have a little bit other upper part?
Can my one on the picture be a original with this upper part?
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Old 03-04-2006, 10:33 PM   #17
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looking at the close up pic of where the HIM should be, there's a mark on the transom just above the 'U' bolt. it looks like the 'U' bolt may have been altered by re-instaling it at 90 degrees to the normal, ie, horizontal, instead of vertical, maybe for pulling a skier, and the mark is the hole left from it's original fitment. Presumably the lower hole is now covered by the 'U' bolt backing plate. Is it posible the HIN is also hidden by this back plate/new mounting holes? remember, it's only a short number (4 digits, ie '---J' if it's a '95)
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OK! Tomorrow i will remove the plate and have a look behind this one! Maybye the number will be there!
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