Marathon

[Johnny Rocket]

The best racing rules I have seen come from the 24 Hours of LeMons - endurance racing for cars that cost $500 or less.

Here are some of the highlights:

Organizers Decisions: Organizers decisions are final. If you don't like it, tough. Get your own race.

Claiming Race: At the end of the competition, the Organizers--and nobody else, you lazy, better-car-wantin' bastids--may elect to purchase any vehicle from its owner(s) for $500. In other words, don't spend a lot on a cheater, cause if you do, you ain't gonna own it much longer.

Whiner Eligibility. Whiners are not eligible to compete. If you believe that you might be a whiner, please check with a domestic partner, guardian, or health-care professional before getting the rest of your team kicked the hell out of the race.

Individual Lousy-Driving Rule: Lousy driving--which includes, but is not limited to, unnecessary contact, overly aggressive driving, chopping off other cars, unsportsmanlike conduct, lack of car control, just generally being an idiot, and/or proving an undue pain in the butt to fellow competitors--will result in a black-flag penalty for Lousy Driving.

Why Am I Upside-Down? Rule: You're upside-down because you have no business being out on a racetrack. Any driver who puts a car on its roof is out for the rest of the season, beginning immediately. Any car that rolls during a race will be removed from the race.

[Tony Davis]

Originally Posted by peterunwin

Can anyone advise an up to date price of the Steyr and Yanmar engines with the XR leg?

Peter

I don't know about Steyr, but you can't buy a Yanmar with an XR. It comes with an X, for around £23k, bit less for a boatbuilder! Might be possible to upgrade, but the trade price on an XR is around £9K so it won't be cheap.

[Adam]

If an engine is legal then there is not really any dispute. Only to consider looking at rule changes - but as whenever this has been mentioned before it has been like blaspheming...

Affordable is all relative...but I don't think there has been too much effort to make a really competitive and affordable class anyway. I mean a class where you can put together a relativley cheap and lowish powered boat and be competitive.

[peterunwin]

Originally Posted by Tony Davis

I don't know about Steyr, but you can't buy a Yanmar with an XR. It comes with an X, for around £23k, bit less for a boatbuilder! Might be possible to upgrade, but the trade price on an XR is around £9K so it won't be cheap.

Thanks for the info Tony that is quite a bit more expensive than i was expecting! If my GM crate engine idea were accepted i could put a very competitive nicely built E class boat together for between £45-50000 bearing in mind it would only need one engine, i think the fuel consumption would be very similar to a twin diesel setup, so that is a whole boat for not much more than the cost of one Dmax not forgetting the "SNARLING V8 NOISE YOU GET FOR FREE"

Peter

[Jon Fuller]

Originally Posted by Boatless-Again

Hey, I am not the one crying that racing should come to my budget rather than the other way around.

Neither am I, on the contrary. The rules were set for the lower classes with trying to keep it cost effective and competitive, I'm whining because every one and his uncle wants the rules relaxed, or interpreted in a more relaxed way to UP the costs and competitive level. I just want things to stay they way they are and were intended, for the lower classes at least.

[Paul E]

Looking in as an interested 'outsider', it seems clear to me that if E or D isn't fast enough for you, and you have the money to spend on a Goldfish or something along those lines, then why not race in A B or C sport?

On the othe hand if Peter's proposed engines fit the rules, and are affordable, then what's the problem? The reason F1 is so crap these days is because they immediately ban any innovation, even if it fits the rules. It seems crazy to me to not allow an affordable engine that is within the rules, just because it makes more power than others in that bracket. It is a race after all?

[Boatless-Again]

Originally Posted by peterunwin

Thanks for the info Tony that is quite a bit more expensive than i was expecting! If my GM crate engine idea were accepted i could put a very competitive nicely built E class boat together for between £45-50000 bearing in mind it would only need one engine, i think the fuel consumption would be very similar to a twin diesel setup, so that is a whole boat for not much more than the cost of one Dmax not forgetting the "SNARLING V8 NOISE YOU GET FOR FREE"

Peter

That seems high for a single engine package especially when considering the cost of the GM crate motors and their modest power output

[larby]

I think Peter was suggesting that price for a whole boat, not just an engine, which sounds great to me! Even compared to the leisure market, £50k ish for a fully set up 30ft boat seems like a bit of a bargain!

James

[Cookee]

Originally Posted by Boatless-Again

That seems high for a single engine package especially when considering the cost of the GM crate motors and their modest power output

6.2 litre with 430hp standard - not bad for a "Crate" motor at 427kg including the V drive transmission for a ski boat or would you expect a lot more?

[Boatless-Again]

Originally Posted by larby

I think Peter was suggesting that price for a whole boat, not just an engine, which sounds great to me! Even compared to the leisure market, £50k ish for a fully set up 30ft boat seems like a bit of a bargain!

James

Okay, I read this a just the engine and outdrive... Not a bad price then

[peterunwin]

Yanmar announced their new toyota landcruiser based stern drive package, 4.5 litre around 370hp about the same weight as their 315 package.

Peter

[peterunwin]

Hi All,
The attached link is for my proposed new single engined project with homemade surface drive.

http://www.partsworldperformance.com...r_crate_engine

Peter

[larby]

That's an incredible price! Am I right in thinking that this would sit straight onto my BBC mounts in the future?

James

[Cookee]

Originally Posted by peterunwin

Hi All,
The attached link is for my proposed new single engined project with homemade surface drive.

http://www.partsworldperformance.com...r_crate_engine

Peter

You can even get it with aircon!

Posting from the Airport Peter? Have a great time!

[peterunwin]

Originally Posted by larby

That's an incredible price! Am I right in thinking that this would sit straight onto my BBC mounts in the future?

James

Hi James,
Yes the pricing is very good and that is for one-offs from an agent, my guess is that substantial discounts could be had for bulk orders, also in that link is a carboreted version of the engine which is even cheaper and has 515hp but it will be substantially less efficient.On the engine mounting front as the package is slightly smaller than a big block there is no reason why mounts can't be fabricated to suit your original positions but as the block is a very lightweight aluminium casting it will require a very solid cross member to transfer the loads vertically into the engine to make it suitable for serious off-shore use. With an all up weight of around 270 kilos including ancillaries you can build the boat structure much lighter than you would for a big block installation saving even more weight also i should have fuel consumption figures from GM in the next few days.

Hi John,
I am in design mode at the moment at our house in Hamble, we fly out to Miami on Monday can't wait

Peter

[larby]

Ohhhhh, why do you have to tempt me like that!!! It's even better than it sounded the other day!

[Cookee]

Originally Posted by peterunwin

Hi John,
I am in design mode at the moment at our house in Hamble, we fly out to Miami on Monday can't wait

Peter

Have a great time in Miami - it's a great show and nothing like we have over here! Rams and pumps arrived yesterday afternoon all in good order - great job and it all looks like new!

Looking forward to giving you "The Tour" when you get back.

[Tony Davis]

Originally Posted by 2-XS-IF

Mastercraft told me they put up the money to get them built, so for there boats only at the moment.

Received this email yesterday:

Hi Tony,

It is our plan to make all of our V8 engines available in stern drive configuration, the 7.4 litre will be the first with a sneak preview at the Miami show in February this year, we hope to start shipping those July of this year, the other model will follow, probably 6.0 litre and the 6.2 next. Please check the Ilmor web site and our Face book site for updates.

Regards,

Ian Hawkins

Ilmor High Performance Marine.

43939 Plymouth Oaks Blvd.

Plymouth, MI. 48170.

hawkinsi@ilmor.com

[Scand]

Would be really nice to have affordable single petrol option for the E-class.
I have been looked at running a single diesel (yanmar 5.8/CMD 5.9) but the price these engines are really high and with low revs and masses of torque the drive train also becomes really expensive.
Do you know what power they will squeeze out of the 6.2? Will need about 500-600hp to be competitive in the E-class.

[Cookee]

Originally Posted by Scand

Would be really nice to have affordable single petrol option for the E-class.
I have been looked at running a single diesel (yanmar 5.8/CMD 5.9) but the price these engines are really high and with low revs and masses of torque the drive train also becomes really expensive.
Do you know what power they will squeeze out of the 6.2? Will need about 500-600hp to be competitive in the E-class.

Don't forget it is really a twin engined sport and if you insist on going single like Gordon you will have to have a permanently mounted auxiliary engine.