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Old 15-03-2009, 12:54 PM   #1
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Unhappy Marshan Jet Bluebird -help needed

Hi all, newbie here!

Ok guys I need some info and a whole lotta help!

Rightly or wrongly I had a bit of an impulse buy and now own this boat.

Now I know nothing about boats, and I need to know what I should check for,

What maintenance I should do before attempting to fire the engine up for the first time as its not been running for quite some time. (not sure what make is in it yet, or if its a runner)

Just really want to know what you would look for and what I should look at first


I am collecting it early next week so I will know more about it then.

Thanks in advance

Rob

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Old 15-03-2009, 02:30 PM   #2
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to be honest it might be worth seeing if there is a BM member close to you who would be willing to have a quick look over it for you,
i'm sure for the offer of tea (beer) and cakes there will be somebody nearby
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Old 15-03-2009, 03:59 PM   #3
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Engine looks like a 1600 or 2.0 Ford ohc out of a Cortina or Capri.
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It is a ford pinto engine!
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Old 15-03-2009, 08:25 PM   #5
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that looks like an american trailer it sat on!
make sure its got a uk hitch before you take it anywhere or you might get a shock!
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Unique bits about a Jet Boat

Hi,
Firstly good luck - it will be lots of fun - Jet Boats are great fun!

In the past I had a 1600cc cross-flow coupled with a Hamilton Jet. Whilst this is quite different vs your 2.0/2.3ltr "Pinto" coupled to a Castoildi Jet drive - a couple of key points.

If you start the engine on dry land be very careful - on some Castildi's (larger ones I think) theres a means of de-clutching the engine so you can run up the engine without the Jet Pump being engaged.

This is important if the Jet Pump drive shaft is supported by a rubber cutlass bearing (as on the Hamilton) - you gessed it run it to fast without water and you burn out the rubber bearing. Solution may find on a small hole in center to push a garden hose against to give a water feed - anyway that's what I did.

The engine maranisation looks like a Indirect cooling set up as has a Bowman combined manifold header tank heat exchanger set-up. Could do with a tidy up and paint - just my thought.

Had a lot of fun with my boat which was a Jet Dory - even chased by the Feds at one point Shoreham Harbour way - we saw sense and stopped eventally.

When reversing the boat will go in opposite direction to what you steer - to do with reverse thrust etc. Was able to spin turn mine as had a flat bottom - fairly unique.

Plus can run in shallow depths - which is great untill you run aground on a mud bank say in Poole and end up spending the rest of the afternoon in a futile effort to push the boat back to the channel.

For parts Castoldi/Ford Maranisation call my Pa Mike at Lancing Marine (google for details) - don't know of others in Uk that have Castoldi but I may be wrong.

Anyway hope all goes well.

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Old 16-03-2009, 03:53 PM   #7
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Thanks guys!

All help appreciated!

I had already enquired about the hitch, the seller tows it with his seat Ibiza so I am hoping that all is well with that (anyway I have a friend with a low loader to pick it up for me to get it back to the yard)

LorenZo, wow you can get all of that off of those low rez pictures! The mans a genius!

When I bought this I thought what have I done, no research no planning. But now I canít wait to tinker with it and get it in the water (as long as itís a floater!)

I will apologise now because there will be questions (allot of questions) in the future

Hope to see some of you out and about as well

Thanks

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Marshan 18 jet drive

Hi

Just reading your thread and wondered if you have had it running and in the water, if so what does it perform like and how fast. The reason I ask is because I have a Hamilton jet drive coupled to a Fiat 1.9JTD turbo diesel engine. Standard it puts out 100bhp but will easily tune to 125bhp. I was originally going to put it in a 14ft Pickton but as I want to use it at sea, I think a Marshan 18 would be far better boat.

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Be careful when putting the garden hose up the pump to run is out of the water. It may be okay on a single stage pump where there is only one cutlass at the rear, but milti-stage pumps run more than 1 and they can't be got to with the garden hose...
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Old 17-05-2009, 11:26 AM   #11
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Hi

Just reading your thread and wondered if you have had it running and in the water, if so what does it perform like and how fast. The reason I ask is because I have a Hamilton jet drive coupled to a Fiat 1.9JTD turbo diesel engine. Standard it puts out 100bhp but will easily tune to 125bhp. I was originally going to put it in a 14ft Pickton but as I want to use it at sea, I think a Marshan 18 would be far better boat.

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Hi Freddie21,

no I haven't had it in the water yet. had to do some work to do on it.

I have rewired everything from scratch. made a new engine cover (which came out quite will I think) had been waiting for a new parts from Italy for the jet drive but that's all done now all she needs now is a good clean. so off next weekend for the first outing.

as for the speed i will let you know as my engine was once supposed to be 100HP as well. i am thinking anything over 20 MPH will be a bonus! I would like to stick a new engine in it but I am unsure of what HP a Castoldi 04 drive can handle as they don't make them any more and I cant find any spec info on them

I will keep you posted
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Look on the bright side, it's pinto based so your engine options are huge if the jet will take it! Looks like a nice little project!

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Old 18-05-2009, 11:40 AM   #13
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Yeah there are lost of option to me, but I think first I will get it out on the water get a feel for it and then see what takes my fancy. to be honest I am really hankering after a bigger boat but this is a good place to start.
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Old 09-06-2009, 02:36 PM   #14
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So got it in the water finally!

Dam thatís stress after never towing, never launching and then finding the busiest ramp going (god everyone must have thought what a bank holiday chump! )

Well day one got out from the ramp about a 1000yds and the motor cuts out so dead in the water, try again and got about another 100m and the same again.

Floated around for some time! Finally got it started again and made my way back in! It was a problem with the carburettor on load it was starving the system of fuel (donít ask me how) but I took it off cleaned it and all seemed well. Been back out in it and itís not the fastest thing going but still a lot of fun.

Such a strange sensation accelerate to turn especially when doing tight manovers! Goes against everything your brain is telling you!

I am wanting to sort a few bits on it I need to dial in the foot throttle as I am sure thereís a few more horses to be had but I need to put the boat in water

Do any of you know where I can test this in north London area (lakes etc)? I am based in Watford, Hertfordshire and the thought of hiring a van to tow it down to the coast and bring all the tools down, accommodation and everything is a lot of hassle . I have tried the Google to locate one but so far I have come up blank

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You could try lagoona park in reading, they may or may not be able to help on a quiet week day.

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The boaters north of London that I know come east to River Blackwater/River Crouch or down to the Thames.
Although you still gota drive it seems to be the best solution.


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So got it in the water finally!

Dam thatís stress after never towing, never launching and then finding the busiest ramp going (god everyone must have thought what a bank holiday chump! )

Well day one got out from the ramp about a 1000yds and the motor cuts out so dead in the water, try again and got about another 100m and the same again.

Floated around for some time! Finally got it started again and made my way back in! It was a problem with the carburettor on load it was starving the system of fuel (donít ask me how) but I took it off cleaned it and all seemed well. Been back out in it and itís not the fastest thing going but still a lot of fun.

Such a strange sensation accelerate to turn especially when doing tight manovers! Goes against everything your brain is telling you!

I am wanting to sort a few bits on it I need to dial in the foot throttle as I am sure thereís a few more horses to be had but I need to put the boat in water

Do any of you know where I can test this in north London area (lakes etc)? I am based in Watford, Hertfordshire and the thought of hiring a van to tow it down to the coast and bring all the tools down, accommodation and everything is a lot of hassle . I have tried the Google to locate one but so far I have come up blank

Cheers

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I am a regular ay Putney. there is a good slip at chas newens. also you have water access 24-7.
ideal if you have 4x4 at low tide as it is gravel, but not a major issue. i dont live far so if you want to meet up let me know.

the blast down the thames is a great run and the feeling you get past all the sights are great.

Will let you know when i will be there next, also a good pub next to slip way.
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