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17-01-2011, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cookee
Have a look on the news pages of P1 - the new boats aren't going to be introduced until 2012 in the UK - 2011 in the States and Norway allegedly!
May 14-15 or 21-22 Cornwall
June 11-12 Jersey
July 23-24 Plymouth
September 3 Lymington
September 10-11 Liverpool
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New boats will be running in 2011 alongside the old fleet
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17-01-2011, 03:26 PM
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Country: Uk
Location: London
Occupation: Mercury main dealer
Boat make: Baba
Engines: 200xs
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Location: London
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so if your running an old boat with a 300 merc on the back do you have to change the engine over to an evinrude e-tec or will they run merc, evinrude and honda all together ?
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17-01-2011, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pro-rig
so if your running an old boat with a 300 merc on the back do you have to change the engine over to an evinrude e-tec or will they run merc, evinrude and honda all together ?
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As far as I gather it will be a slow fade out for the old craft? 150's will still have a seperate race to the others.
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17-01-2011, 04:15 PM
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Country: Uk
Location: London
Occupation: Mercury main dealer
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Engines: 200xs
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It will be intresting to see the performance differance between the merc and evinrude then if thats the case.
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17-01-2011, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pro-rig
It will be intresting to see the performance differance between the merc and evinrude then if thats the case.
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Just got an update: The new boats will be in a seperate class to the older larger boats but depending on time, tides and numbers the idea is that they'll run together but scoring points in seperate bands.
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18-01-2011, 09:21 AM
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#46
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BananaShark Member
Country: UK
Location: Salcombe South Devon
Occupation: Racer and builder
Interests: Winning races
Boat name: BananaShark
Boat make: BananaShark 34' Race
Engines: Twin Yanmar BY 260's
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Salcombe South Devon
Posts: 4,638
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The original idea is to run the new boat with two different motors for the two classes - so what's the smaller motor going to be and how fast do they think that's going to go?
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18-01-2011, 07:45 PM
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#47
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: Exmouth
Occupation: builder/developer
Interests: raceing
Boat name: cider daze
Boat make: cougar 28
Engines: 200 xs
Cruising area: Devon
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Exmouth
Posts: 297
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Who knows Cookee, Nothing on the web site,
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18-01-2011, 08:56 PM
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team willims
Country: uk
Location: wirral
Occupation: recycling
Interests: racing skiing
Boat name: team williams
Boat make: honda
Engines: 150
Cruising area: north wales
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: wirral
Posts: 19
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dave
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Originally Posted by cider daze
Who knows Cookee, Nothing on the web site,
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dave are you going too race this year
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18-01-2011, 09:25 PM
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#49
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: Exmouth
Occupation: builder/developer
Interests: raceing
Boat name: cider daze
Boat make: cougar 28
Engines: 200 xs
Cruising area: Devon
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Exmouth
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Well were getting the boat ready, thats a start, Bob has a number of races which look good, Fancy it,Tried to sell it but no luck so just as well race it,
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18-01-2011, 10:53 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: Laandan meyt
Occupation: R&D Projects Director
Interests: Racing Boats? Building Superyachts.
Boat name: Atlantic Challenger
Boat make: 1 x Honda 27ft race - 1x 17m Challenge prototype
Engines: 225 - tickled. Force Rotax 500 hp x 4
Cruising area: All of UK
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Laandan meyt
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pro-rig
so if your running an old boat with a 300 merc on the back do you have to change the engine over to an evinrude e-tec or will they run merc, evinrude and honda all together ?
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All race together in the 225/300/250ho ..... P1 are saying the old 225/300 hull will retain grandfather rights to race, possibly through 2012 using the existing engines - assuming separate classes as the notion of single make racing is essential to P1 (As demonstrated in Southampton). Eventually the UK will fall in with the rest of the World fleet of regulated 'new style hulls' and engine configuration
The 150's will continue to run as another separate class and provided there is a minimum of 6 entries, this class will run as an entry class into the P1 model....... just my understanding of the current proposal.
As an aside imho - whether the new boat is great at handling, fantastic at speed or just a slow cumbersome bowl of porridge; if they are all the same spec. then the entries/investors are all equal. Similar story when the Cougar 225 was introduced and its critics remained faithful to the end? (Great looking hull and a handful to keep upright occasionally)!
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19-01-2011, 12:26 AM
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#51
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Originally Posted by OCRDA
Have seen it today at the Autosport Show !! Unable to comment on a public forum !!
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Why ......... opinion's please ........because i can almost bet it would be of interest to all .
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19-01-2011, 12:30 AM
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Alan powers , how have you been ? Alan have not seen much of you lately on S & F .
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19-01-2011, 08:38 AM
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#53
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BananaShark Member
Country: UK
Location: Salcombe South Devon
Occupation: Racer and builder
Interests: Winning races
Boat name: BananaShark
Boat make: BananaShark 34' Race
Engines: Twin Yanmar BY 260's
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Salcombe South Devon
Posts: 4,638
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Who knows Cookee, Nothing on the web site,
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Spoke to P1 yesterday and they don't have a motor for the second class as yet. They also said that "They wouldn't let existing Cougar boat owners down" - I have no idea what that means as yet - looking forward to hearing the whole story in due course!
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19-01-2011, 02:34 PM
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Registered User
Country: Ireland
Location: Dublin
Occupation: Boatbuilder
Boat make: Hydrostream V-king, 650SS OCR ,Ring 21, Ring 18, Phantom 18.
Engines: 300Hp Mercury 2.4, 130 Yamaha, Bridgeport EFI, XR6, Merc 200.
Cruising area: Malahide, Dublin
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Dublin
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Originally Posted by OFFSHORE GINGER
Alan powers , how have you been ? Alan have not seen much of you lately on S & F .
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I'm OK Artie, just incredibly busy! I've been lurking and reading a few threads on S&F, theres just not been much new or interesting in a while. And when you spend 15 hrs a day in the workshop thae last thing I want to read about is more broken boats!
BTW, been following your cat thread on here, needs lots more pictures
What you build the extra stingers from? Ply or composite?
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20-01-2011, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Hydrostream
I'm OK Artie, just incredibly busy! I've been lurking and reading a few threads on S&F, theres just not been much new or interesting in a while. And when you spend 15 hrs a day in the workshop thae last thing I want to read about is more broken boats!
BTW, been following your cat thread on here, needs lots more pictures
What you build the extra stingers from? Ply or composite?
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Allen the X-tra stringers and supports were ply . Hey guy , i often feel the same way you do after working on boats all day, and the bottom line is our advise always seems to be free which ..... sometimes can get very tireing ...considering i often find myself giving the same advise to the same person ......three times over . Allen , i am glad to hear that you are so busy at the moment because we have to make hay while we can .
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20-01-2011, 12:51 AM
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Allen glad to see that you stuck with ply for the transom on your build and do you ever use Chesse cloth ( finish fabric ) to hide the seams in your layup .... in the areas that can be seen by the human eye . Allen just curious do you use a bedding compound like DBF under the liner that adheres to the top of the tunnel to give you a better bond between the two which will give you more structural integrity along with your bonding the liner to the hull ?
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20-01-2011, 01:08 AM
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#57
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Registered User
Country: Ireland
Location: Dublin
Occupation: Boatbuilder
Boat make: Hydrostream V-king, 650SS OCR ,Ring 21, Ring 18, Phantom 18.
Engines: 300Hp Mercury 2.4, 130 Yamaha, Bridgeport EFI, XR6, Merc 200.
Cruising area: Malahide, Dublin
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Dublin
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I would only ever use ply in any transom, I'm not convinced with composite transom materials. About the best looks to be coosa, but I've heard things about that too.
Yeah, we use an adhesive under the cockpit liner on the tunnel top, then bond the liner to the hull and bulk heads.
The way we lay the glass there aren't any visible seams, the liner covers 90% of the area, behind the rear seat is the only semi visible area.
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20-01-2011, 01:13 AM
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Allen , i apologize and please do no think i am trying to be rude for asking questions after visting your site ......because it never hurts to ask ..
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20-01-2011, 01:27 AM
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#59
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Registered User
Country: Ireland
Location: Dublin
Occupation: Boatbuilder
Boat make: Hydrostream V-king, 650SS OCR ,Ring 21, Ring 18, Phantom 18.
Engines: 300Hp Mercury 2.4, 130 Yamaha, Bridgeport EFI, XR6, Merc 200.
Cruising area: Malahide, Dublin
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Dublin
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Originally Posted by OFFSHORE GINGER
Allen , i apologize and please do no think i am trying to be rude for asking questions after visting your site ......because it never hurts to ask ..
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No bother at all, ask away!
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20-01-2011, 02:32 AM
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#60
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Alen , take care .
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