offshore cat? - Page 4

Jon Fuller · 17-04-2008, 12:28 PM

Oh dear, so Monos really have no place at all on the water.

Monohulls R.I.P.

PHANTOM EVOLUTION · 17-04-2008, 02:16 PM

vee hulls will always have a place on the water!
maybe the mono drivers that yr needed more training !

Jon Fuller · 17-04-2008, 02:21 PM

Good retort!

Remind me, what type of boat is it you build and sell?

Pete Little, Chris Bryan, Val Bryant, Adam Younger and Mike Spinks have certainly all shown in recent years that the 'Cat is King' in all weathers, that's for sure.

Maybe you could offer some services there, as it appears we have gone full circle from your famous 'year of the cat'.

As the smaller B23's manage just about 80, are inherently unstable, dangerous, are liable to capsize at any momment in thier droves if pushed in the persuit of a feline and the current cats are capable of close to a ton, and better in ALL conditions, there has to be something wrong......somewhere. Would you agree?

verytricky · 17-04-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by caw blimey

If you just want to go to sark you do not need a cat you need a RIB we go to sark in all weathers an have never turned back, have not made it back some times but never turned back

What a man!

As for the passage.... It does not appear immediately on approach that there *is* a passage... It looks like the navigessor fuggedup and is taking you into land - at speed!

Once you done it once, it is great.

But the first time it is unnerving looking for the actual gap as you approach.

lyder · 17-04-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lain

Do you think a cat would be any good round Guernsey? Or are they just a flat day boat and i should stick to monohulls? I'd be looking around the 25-27ft.

Will be loooking forward to test the Guernsey waters 4-7 sept (world Champsh.) a couple of Argo's, a couple of "endangered rainforest boats", a couple of Hydrolifts, one Euro cat and one Twister will most likely arrive from Norway.

Jon Fuller · 17-04-2008, 03:12 PM

The famous passage

Cookee · 17-04-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

Johhny, I feel we should have the story from you first hand, so to speak.

What happened, what boat, what did he say? Will you ever forgive him? Did it knock any sense into him?

If it's all right with you I'll have to tell you in person as it might get "a bit funny" if you know what I mean!

Jon Fuller · 17-04-2008, 05:01 PM

I like the sound of that.

Take it all the way.

chris · 18-04-2008, 07:06 PM

hi mr boatless are you over in the usa ? have you seen these doug wrights run or been in one ? love to talk to some one who has like the idea of semi converting a race 32 doug cat , keep the screen as is just cut open a bit more roof , i did read the article on loan shark it looks good ,would be nice to talk to dan laurence about it ! how well do they go in the rough ?
everyone tells me once you go in a cat you wont want to go back to a mono trouble is i like having a cabin to throw crap in etc

PHANTOM EVOLUTION · 19-04-2008, 09:03 AM

the boats are phantom evolution sports ribs, when the cats had the development they got better faster and could cope with rough seas,then the monos had to step up there game and got better faster and still good in the rough , the next lot of cats to come out lept farward in speed and rough water handling , the next breed of monos to keep up with the cats lost some sea keeping and rough water handling just to gain speed ! .............

Jon Fuller · 19-04-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by PHANTOM EVOLUTION

the next breed of monos to keep up with the cats lost some sea keeping and rough water handling just to gain speed ! .............

So what went wrong? the cats still aint winning, even with their near 20mph speed advantage.

PHANTOM EVOLUTION · 19-04-2008, 09:13 AM

thats easy.......theres been no cats made for the waters we race in here in the UK ,the cats being used are from abroad not made to run in our sea conditions, and who would spend LOTS of money building a new cat to race here in the uk championships

Jon Fuller · 19-04-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PHANTOM EVOLUTION

thats easy.......theres been no cats made for the waters we race in here in the UK ,the cats being used are from abroad not made to run in our sea conditions, and who would spend LOTS of money building a new cat to race here in the uk championships

Mmmnn, could the same be said of Monos?

verytricky · 19-04-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PHANTOM EVOLUTION

...who would spend LOTS of money building a new cat to race here in the uk championships

Why - the racing series has never been better. Almost guaranteed a podium place each race, and a one in four chance of winning!

PHANTOM EVOLUTION · 19-04-2008, 09:28 AM

yep same thing, but i think if you put lots of money into each cat/mono when a winning mono comes out you could build a cat to beat it and so on , and a lot depends on the type of laps your going to race , normal offshore coarse with sea state upto a 5 when after that they might not run the race (because of the saftey being they cant get people out of the water as they would like to) and given a large pot of money id race a cat !

Jon Fuller · 19-04-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PHANTOM EVOLUTION

normal offshore coarse with sea state upto a 5 when after that they might not run the race (because of the saftey being they cant get people out of the water as they would like to) and given a large pot of money id race a cat !

Yeah, I know you would, and most likely, so would I. I Just enjoy the banter. (maybe not 2 litre though, not sure about that single drive in the tunnel thing, prop is never trying to claw things back into shape like a twin sponson mounted job)
However, sea state greater than 5,... I reckon a good V24 would probably give a good run for it's money against most of the 4 litre stuff, period. cat or mono...how does that work?

PHANTOM EVOLUTION · 19-04-2008, 11:06 AM

i think the main reason is the realy low c of g and good balance, a v24 with a top speed of only 74 mph ish against a b24 outboard with a speed of 81 mph ish unless it with very flat the v24 would win just because of its very high average speed ,the drive being so low you can just keep pushing on without the prop breaking free every 2 seconds, v24 great boats iv had lots of fun training in them its sad the natonals arnt running the 12 plus strong fleet they used to have

225 · 19-04-2008, 11:34 AM

i'm with phantom on that one,

scottyboy · 19-04-2008, 03:43 PM

The trouble with alot of B23's/ other mono's is that they are now set up for top speed to try and catch the cats and you therefore lose alot of your drivability. Its not goin to happen if its flat......you'll only be as fast as the quickest mono hence the unstable characteristics there renound for when driving it on the edge to catch them (I know as i had one of the slower mono's in last years 3C fleet and had to drive it alot harder in the flat at its max. Not nice when it bites). When its rough........ IF you have your boat set up with a good balance and its set up so it's still driveable when flat and rough and you can use all the power you have to push on when the others cant (Look at "old beardy" in his P21 in ramsgate against the B23's. Creamed them!). Same with the current style of cats You could make them go better in the rougher conditions with bow tanks etc etc but you'll break them eventually.
Thats what i think anyways.....................