One diesel one petrol one boat

[Dictator]

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

He already has. It apears to have a plywood deck now. Aronow would turn in his grave!

I think you are muddling me with the one next door! Thats the 35' belonging to John' Which has a plywood cockpit floor!

Anyway if you dont mind I'd prefer to hear peoples advice on engine recommendations. Can we keep the garbage for another thread!

[Jon Fuller]

Originally Posted by Dictator

I think you are muddling me with the one next door! Thats the 35' belonging to John' Which has a plywood cockpit floor!

So the foredeck on your boat isn't timber?

[Dictator]

Where did you get that from Jon?

[Jon Fuller]

Well, I looked at it and would swear it looked like an 18mm ply deck. sincere apologies if I'm wrong, I'll take a proper look tomorow.

[Dictator]

well if it has then its nothing to do with me!!! It must be original spec deck!!!

[Jon Fuller]

Originally Posted by Dictator

It must be original spec deck!!!

Errrrrr, no.

[Dictator]

well john next door lent me the book on D.A. and there was a Squadron 39 identical except had a hatch in the roof!

I just dont get why someone would have changed the deck?

[Jon Fuller]

As I said, It may be my mistake, and appologies if I'm wrong, but it certainly looked very 'plywood' to me.

There's dozens of possible reasons why the deck could have been replaced. getting a 'new one' as in original glassfibre, fitted, certainly wouldn't be easy if it needed it.

[Dictator]

well pop over and say hullo tomorrow! I'll be sanding down the boat all afternoon ready for the custom paintjob going on in a weeks time by the same boys doing Johns under the white tent next door!

You can have a good look over her and give some much needed advice!!

[Jon Fuller]

Originally Posted by Dictator

the same boys doing Johns under the white tent next door!

As in Johnny 'clockit' Pickwick?

[Jon Holmes]

Originally Posted by Dictator

What do you propose to do about it? Raise the subscription or do you think they should only take applications from the right schools or county regiments?

What the hell are you on about?

If you cant make intelligent conversation in the Queens English, dont bother.

[verytricky]

Originally Posted by Turnip1

but ive never come across such scumsuckers as in the Marine Trade. Just my experience im afraid.

I have to ( unfortunately ) agree with you. But there are the occasional gooduns out there! ( but keep them a secret, else everyone will use them and you wont get your repairs done! )

[Dictator]

Originally Posted by verytricky

I have to ( unfortunately ) agree with you. But there are the occasional gooduns out there! ( but keep them a secret, else everyone will use them and you wont get your repairs done! )

The trouble is that if you dont use them enough they tend to go like the majority of marine businesses - Bust!!!

[Dictator]

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

Thought you didn't want to spend any money! By the time you've done all that, you'll still have a load of ancient old shite, and will have spent almost as much as sourcing some cheap new (waranteed) Engine/Drive packages.

This all sounds like 'talk is cheap' to me.

My money says 'Shogun Star' will continue to clutter up the Solent powered by various scrap outboards until you run out (of scrap outboards) and move on.

Nope I'm in for the long run! I'm now looking at a pair of small block petrols almost new! What drive is hassle free, cheap and good on performance with the chance to upgrade to higher horsepower at a later date?

[MikeOakley]

Originally Posted by Dictator

Is that an offer?

7000£ offered.

[MikeOakley]

Originally Posted by Dictator

Nope I'm in for the long run! I'm now looking at a pair of small block petrols almost new! What drive is hassle free, cheap and good on performance with the chance to upgrade to higher horsepower at a later date?

Them smallblocks won´t get that old heavy hull even to plane good enough without breaking soonafter.

454/502s are the only way to go. With 454/420s you´ll just barely reach 45 knots with 502/500´s maybe a bit over 50.
Don´t expect too much of that hull ,it´s not a speed king but a heavy old wavecrusher.

Regarding drives you need Speedmaster 3´s (SSM3/SSM3A) at least on it to get it anywhere.

[MikeOakley]

Originally Posted by Dictator

Can we keep the garbage for another thread!

funny you said that

[Dictator]

Originally Posted by MikeOakley

Them smallblocks won´t get that old heavy hull even to plane good enough without breaking soonafter.

454/502s are the only way to go. With 454/420s you´ll just barely reach 45 knots with 502/500´s maybe a bit over 50.
Don´t expect too much of that hull ,it´s not a speed king but a heavy old wavecrusher.

Regarding drives you need Speedmaster 3´s (SSM3/SSM3A) at least on it to get it anywhere.

Apparently its just over 3 tonnes which I thought was pretty light for a boat that size! Ive been lead to beleive that speedmasters gobble up the horsepower! Apparently I'd be better off with a bravo1 or duoprop to rack up the torque!

[MikeOakley]

The Bare hull is 3 tonnes, add all gear and engines and you´ll end up with a dry weight of 5 tonnes, Aronow NEVER built them Light.
Sadly Bravos or duoprops can´t take the torque and the punishment it needs to get on plane.
You need twins as bravos stand up to only 450hp max and that won´t bring a boat like that on plane, duoprops are about equal.
Trust me on this one, you need over 700hp to get it to run 45 knots and it doesn´t plane properly until close to 40knots.
When Bravos came out they weren´t sold to no more than 365hp 454´s even on the lighter boats, the 420hp had TRS drives that that boat also once had.
Those are good up to 550hp a piece at most but drag a lot.
Speedmasters don´t drag but like the TRS have a transmission which eats some hp.

[MikeOakley]

Originally Posted by Dictator

What drive is hassle free, cheap and good on performance with the chance to upgrade to higher horsepower at a later date?

NONE.