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Old 11-05-2007, 09:28 PM   #21
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I dont understand,
why go to the huge expense to make only 1 boat then destroy the tooling?
because thats what the customer wanted, I believe the customer paid for the development thus he owned the molds and not Steve, I could be wrong though
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Old 11-05-2007, 09:40 PM   #22
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Correct, more or less.
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Old 11-05-2007, 09:45 PM   #23
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Does the plug still exist anywhere?
isnt that splashing then if you mould the 31?
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:14 PM   #24
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Does the plug still exist anywhere?
isnt that splashing then if you mould the 31?
No, no plug, or mould exists for the 31, and it's not a stretched 28, it came two years before the 28, and is a unique design.

Yes, technically I suppose, but the term 'splashing' is used to describe someone who takes an unauthorised copy of someones design/work, usually to make money for themselves, and no intention of aquiring permision to do so, or paying any royalties.

When I first found Warlord, I was already talking to Steve, and the original customer who commisioned the design & build about aquiring the necessary permissions, so, a copy, yes, and illegal splash, no.


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Jon would it not be sensible to let someone build them under some form of license assuming agreement can be sought from the designer ?
What exactly do you mean by 'sensible'?

I thought I made it fairly clear earlier in the thread, I have no intention of producing these for people, and even less intension of anyone else producing them for people, beit legaly, or ilegally!

There's no money in low volume boatbuilding (at least not high standard boat building) and far too many potential splashers out there to risk this one going down the usual road. Sad but true.

For a 31 with nice rigging, decent construction, high end fitout, and a pair of motors/drives befitting it's design, there'd be no change from at least 150k retail, I don't know a single person that would pay that sum for a 'Big Speed Boat', which is all this kind of boat really is.

In no time at all, a shabby cheap 'home finish' option would appear from a third world shit hole for 12 pounds fifty, and we'd have gone full circle, again!
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:21 PM   #25
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Yes, technically I suppose, but the term 'splashing' is used to describe someone who takes an unauthorised copy of someones design/work, usually to make money for themselves, and no intention of aquiring permision to do so, or paying any royalties.

When I first found Warlord, I was already talking to Steve, and the original customer who commisioned the design & build about aquiring the necessary permisions, so, a copy, yes, and illegal splash, no.

I thought I made it fairly clear earlier in the thread, I have no intention of producing these for people, and even less intension of anyone else producing them for people, beit legally, or illegally!

There's no money in low volume boatbuilding (at least not high standard boat building) and far too many potential splashers out there to risk this one going down the usual road. Sad but true.
All sounds good


Well I say bring back Phantom!!!!

Would it be possible to build Phantom's legally even though Trio, Phantom u.k have the legit moulds?
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:24 PM   #26
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Would it be possible to build Phantom's legally even though Trio, Phantom u.k have the legit moulds?
No. Unless you buy the moulds/rights from Trio, or Clive Jones, or can do a deal to produce them under licence from them.
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So other than being the father of phantom, sb has no control or rights to them?
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:34 PM   #28
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No, not since they were sold (the moulds & rights), and he closed down.

But in truth, he never did, as C*audron, Raffshite, etc, have proved. That is why I will ensure the 31 will not get copied, by not letting anyone get hold of one.
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have you got any more info of the build+construction of the 31?
and pics of it being made
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:43 PM   #30
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No pics of construction, but it's a full kevlar deck (not Aramat) and I would reckon, pretty light (there's feck all in it) some Balsa, but not loads.

It's going to get a completely revised deck, more along the lines of a late 21. (soft rounded edges etc) with the screen moved aft, reducing the cockpit size a bit, but increasing the foredeck length.
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No pics of construction, but it's full kevlar (not Aramat) and I would reckon, pretty light (there's feck all in it) some Balsa, but not loads.

It's going to get a completely revised deck, more along the lines of a late 21. (soft rounded edges etc) with the screen moved aft, reducing the cockpit size a bit, but increasing the foredeck length.

Cant wait to see the finished artical!
Either way congratulations on your new purchase I imagine your well chuffed!
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Old 12-05-2007, 07:38 AM   #32
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possible powerplants......................
HP 850 SCI or 700 possibly
EU 662 but you dont need the RCD
#6 DSSM.
Twins or keeping with a big single
Where abouts was it located JF seems to be in very good nick.
Finally lets not forget Mrs F for letting you have 2, I'd have mine cutoff if I arrived with another project.
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Old 12-05-2007, 12:05 PM   #33
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Finally lets not forget Mrs F for letting you have 2, I'd have mine cutoff if I arrived with another project.
How do you know he hasn't!!!
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How's Jon's Obsessive Compulsive disorder therapy going Angela?
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Old 12-05-2007, 12:56 PM   #35
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How do you know he hasn't!!!
well, we all know how difficult they'd be to find ................. perhaps you just dont have that level of dedication
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Old 12-05-2007, 09:33 PM   #36
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thats a lovely looking boat. it seems to ride effortlesly through the big swell and chop in the video how well did it do in the racing?
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That looks like a spanking boat JF, deeply envious.
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The 31 sure looks like the ultimate Phantom, and to find it in such good condition too, not a basket case.
You must be very excited about this project and constructing the genuin copy not some bookleg lookalike. Any ideas on the name you will give the new boat WARLORD 11 maybe?

When I looked in at Drivers Wharf the other week I saw a mould that looked a bit like a Phantom with an inboard look as no outboard well. Is this anything to do with you John?
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Old 13-05-2007, 10:22 AM   #39
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"Phantom 31"

Jon certainly an awesome looking beast surley you must want to see it get wet again it would be a shame just to see it put in another shed and knowing how you look after your other beasty im sure you wouldnt be letting anything untoward happen to it.Well done anyway im sure with Mr B's guidance you'll do something good with it.
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