Revenger transom failure

the bandit · 02-12-2006, 09:18 AM

Revenger are right about racing, they built my San Marino outboard version in 1993 designed to take up to twin 225 as there broucher advertised and when these were fitted we only made it to France before the transom cracked, and we wern't racing. Had to have the boat modified at my expense, would of thought it was still under warranty as the engines had only been on 4 days.
Well done Sunseeker and Revenger for being :assholes

You can have £250 from me for a trophy even though i'm in the cab trade, maybe it could be presented to the team that turns up on time.

Jon Fuller · 02-12-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by the bandit

Revenger are right about racing, they built my San Marino outboard version in 1993 designed to take up to twin 225 as there broucher advertised and when these were fitted we only made it to France before the transom cracked, and we wern't racing. Had to have the boat modified at my expense, would of thought it was still under warranty as the engines had only been on 4 days.
Well done Sunseeker and Revenger for being :assholes

You can have £250 from me for a trophy even though i'm in the cab trade, maybe it could be presented to the team that turns up on time.

I think to be fair, that transom failure wasn't actually Revengers fault!
But lets not go there, as it would benifit no one.

the bandit · 02-12-2006, 10:00 AM

Enlighten me JF. Revenger say the boats good for twin 225. I understand the legs are to long therefore the leverage of the engines is greater. however the boat managed approx 150 miles before cracking. And we didn't push it. Having looked again at the transom it does not attach itself direct to the sides of the boat. As it was original designed for inboard i believe it to be a design fault. Please let me know your thoughts as i do value your vast knowledge.

Jon Fuller · 02-12-2006, 10:43 AM

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Enlighten me JF.

My point is, the transom wasn't standard, it had been extended vertically by some 5 inches in a rather odd way.
25" legs would for sure, increase the leverage, but I don't think that alone would have caused the failure had the motors been sat on the standard, un-modified transom at the normal height.

Given the complex shape of the bustles that stick out aft of the transom, I would think it's inherantly fairly strong, and I would also think that Revenger would have had them running with twins at some point if they advise it as the max setup, so would assume it's fairly well proven. Does it have 'knees' up into the outer parts of the transom?

Altering the complete strucure of the transom, could/would change everything. If you take any product, and alter it's spec, it's not really fair to blame the original manufacturer if it subsequently fails, unless it was them who made the alterations.

Just MHO

the bandit · 02-12-2006, 11:14 AM

Thanks John i take your point. We will never know now. but due to the transom not connecting direct to the sides of the boat it appears to me that there is a week point. Maybe the transom should never of been raised.
As iv'e said before i know nothing.

the bandit · 02-12-2006, 01:40 PM

Aother point John is that the company that done the mods. was one of Revengers approved dealers.

Jon Fuller · 02-12-2006, 01:56 PM

Yes, I know, but that doesn't make the person who decided how it should be done, a structural designer, and it doesn't mean he asked anyone who is, how it should have been done. I'm sure, had Revenger been asked if the intended method would be ok, they'd have had kittens. As it is, they almost certianly had no knowledge of it at all, till after the event.

the bandit · 02-12-2006, 02:04 PM

Can't believe what you have said. So Revenger would have kittens about whats been done and yet one of there dealers carried out the work.
I spoke to Revenger at the Southampton boat show 2004 and 05 telling them what i intended todo. they were supposed to get me a price on 2 engines but never came back to me. They also said that they would recomend the company that did the work as that was one of there dealers.
What else could i do?

Jon Fuller · 02-12-2006, 03:56 PM

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Can't believe what you have said. So Revenger would have kittens about whats been done and yet one of there dealers carried out the work.

I was carefull not to suggest the 'dealer, as a company' made these decissions, as I believe they a very good indeed.
I think it may have been one particular person who designed/oversaw the project.
It may be that this person no longer works there, but the 'dealer' is now left with the job of sorting it out.

I must add, that this is just my humble opinion, and as such, shouldn't be taken as fact.

FabFour · 02-12-2006, 08:07 PM

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Aother point John is that the company that done the mods. was one of Revengers approved dealers.

Would this discussion not be better in its own thread? Just a thought...

Jon Fuller · 05-12-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FabFour

Would this discussion not be better in its own thread? Just a thought...

You're quite right Sir, So ere ya go.

Sake · 05-12-2006, 02:22 PM

wo bandit! this is bad, i am sorry to here from the boat like this!

Captain Chaos · 05-12-2006, 05:27 PM

Bandit, I'm not in anyway demeaning what you've done to you're boat (in fact I see it at Cobbs & at Cowes during the summer & very much fell in Love

). However I have wondered what the price difference would have been between the transom work (& subsiquent re-work) and the cost of 2 mids & shaft cut to have your motors as 20"???

am I safe to assume that was Revengers design height for twins?

was there any other reasons (i.e just some general extra strengthening) why you opted to have the transoms worked on?

regards

Chaos

sinkunit0 · 05-12-2006, 05:53 PM

do you have any pics of what has happened

Sake · 05-12-2006, 06:09 PM

I told Bandit that this is the best ever looking Revenger i ever saw!!, this year i was with my Revenger @ the Ribex, whe drove al the way from holland with the boats, with 8 guys, my frend ownes a 24 osprey.

I was sure to buy a brand new 29 Revenger twin step that was @ the ribex with twin 250 E-Tec. but now i saw the sanmarino and wow i fel in love!!.

Captain Chaos · 05-12-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sake

I told Bandit that this is the best ever looking Revenger i ever saw!!, this year i was with my Revenger @ the Ribex, whe drove al the way from holland, with 8 guys, my frend ownes a 24 osprey.

I was sure to buy a brand new 29 Revenger twin step that was @ the ribex with twin 250 E-Tec. but now i saw the sanmarino and wow i fel in love!!.

they look great without the armbands eh!

FabFour · 05-12-2006, 06:39 PM

Why did you post Sunseeker are arseholes? Are they involved in Rib building??

Gav · 05-12-2006, 07:18 PM

sorry to hear about your revenger bandit, superb looking boat! hope u get things sorted.....

what have sunseeker got to do with the equation?

andyxs · 05-12-2006, 07:44 PM

have you got any pics of the damage and the boat?

Maxim Gibson · 05-12-2006, 08:55 PM

The sunseeker bit is due to this being split from another thread, in the original thread it was stated that a motor cruiser builder would was not willing to put forward money for a Round Britain Trophy and this was assumed to be Sunseeker... nothing to do with revenger transom troubles.
Max

P.s. I also saw the boat in Cowes and it looked the nuts!