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07-05-2013, 11:07 AM
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Ribs are they safe
Are ribs safe with there high ride ?
The fact all seats or on top of the deck
And the only thing to hold you in are the tubes which are the same as a bouncy castle
Is there now a big question mark on the hole concept of ribs
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07-05-2013, 11:40 AM
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Captain slow
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Russ in my eyes there's always been a big '?' As to the concept of a rib. After all, who would put rubber rings around a perfectly good boat.lol.
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07-05-2013, 12:44 PM
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Ribs
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Originally Posted by andymac
Russ in my eyes there's always been a big '?' As to the concept of a rib. After all, who would put rubber rings around a perfectly good boat.lol.
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Hi Andy in the 2or3 years Steve was at the harbour masters he was called out 3 times to out of control boats all crew in the drink and every time it was a rib,now you could put it down to bad seamanship but why on every occasion did all the crew end up in the green room?
Just seems to me that one bad move or hook and and every one on board ends up in the drink.you would have thought at least 1 person could have managed to stay on board hence are really safe.
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07-05-2013, 12:54 PM
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When used in displacement mode, I believe RIB's to be as safe as houses.
When in planing mode, I prefer RIBS to be sweet and sour from my local Chinky! Lol
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07-05-2013, 01:23 PM
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As a manufacturer of RIBs and hard boats I believe that the problem is RIBs with good sea-keeping are deeper Vee boats which are more prone to hooking, especially when powered up beyond the original design limits, which for many hulls was a long time ago if you trace them back.
Never been that keen on jockey seats, especially in higher powered RIBs.
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07-05-2013, 01:46 PM
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I do rib speedboat trips for a living, and to be honest they are no different to any other power vehicle, be it car bike or boat. Its the guy at the wheel in charge. Before ribs were big i would imagine hardboat accidents occured.
Like the old cliche. Guns dont kill. People do.
All are safe used correctly and in the right manner.
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07-05-2013, 02:02 PM
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Ride hight
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Originally Posted by Cookee
As a manufacturer of RIBs and hard boats I believe that the problem is RIBs with good sea-keeping are deeper Vee boats which are more prone to hooking, especially when powered up beyond the original design limits, which for many hulls was a long time ago if you trace them back.
Never been that keen on jockey seats, especially in higher powered RIBs.
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Hi Cookee do you think the ride hight on some of these high performance ribs are just to high and the counter lever effect is so high no one stands a chance of staying in the boat.should decks be dropped in way of high speed seating as apposed to fitting large fuel & water tanks ,then having no room to drop the deck.
Do you think top sides are being cut to low for looks and handling goes out the window
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07-05-2013, 02:28 PM
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Anything is dangerous in the wrong hands, adding power and water just makes it more so. The issue of licences is a double edged sword, the open sea is the only place where we're free to go as fast as we want, where we want, provided you're not endangering others of course. I was brought up on the sea, taught to drive a boat at a very very young age, although neither me or my dad have any qualifications we know enough to do what we're doing safely. I'm by no means an expert, can't read a chart properly, but I know my local water. To be honest it does scare me a bit that any old bloke can buy a boat capable of mega speed, and not need to demonstrate at least a knowledge of the collision regulations before they're free to do what they please.
It is only a matter of time before there's a serious accident in our waters, there's more and more jet skis appearing all the time and they're a much bigger threat than a family RIB in my eyes. Do they know which way to turn if I'm going 70mph and our courses are going to cross? I doubt it!
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07-05-2013, 02:48 PM
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hand throttle
its not the type of boat or the untrained people its the hand throttle that stays flat out when you have fallen out, most of us on here have driven a boat at speed and forgot to where the kill cord, the throttles need some sort of spring so they shut down when you fly out then you just get wet and laugh about it in the pub later.
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07-05-2013, 02:50 PM
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Ribs
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Originally Posted by Renegade
I do rib speedboat trips for a living, and to be honest they are no different to any other power vehicle, be it car bike or boat. Its the guy at the wheel in charge. Before ribs were big i would imagine hardboat accidents occured.
Like the old cliche. Guns dont kill. People do.
All are safe used correctly and in the right manner.
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Paul your a professional skipper i am sure you could drive a dustbin lid around the world safely but why are the hole crew in these ribs ending up in the drink and yes bad seamanship will account for some accidents but you cant put it all down to every one.i am not knocking ribs far from it without bringing design issues to the forum we would be back in the Stone Age .
And boat safety would never improve
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07-05-2013, 03:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by still no worries
its not the type of boat or the untrained people its the hand throttle that stays flat out when you have fallen out, most of us on here have driven a boat at speed and forgot to where the kill cord, the throttles need some sort of spring so they shut down when you fly out then you just get wet and laugh about it in the pub later.
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There's already a very good safety device fitted to all performance RHIBS (and many small ones too)...
It's called a KILL CORD! And like a lifejacket, it's useless unless worn!!!
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07-05-2013, 03:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerbil112
There's already a very good safety device fitted to all performance RHIBS (and many small ones too)...
It's called a KILL CORD! And like a lifejacket, it's useless unless worn!!!
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i think we all know this but as i said people forget to where them, you need something that you cant forget,
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07-05-2013, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by still no worries
i think we all know this but as i said people forget to where them, you need something that you cant forget,
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Put an ELEPHANT in the RIB - they don't forget!
And I thought "guns don't kill people - RAPPERS DO!"
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07-05-2013, 04:15 PM
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Fair point Derek. I think on a positive note on this sad topic maybe the racing/ high speed training the rya offer for racing could be adapted into the training syllibus? I was impressed with the ones i have sat in. Really informative and shows dangers of hooks etc.
This guy maybe did have a level 2 or another icc we can speculate and perhaps shouldnt.
When i sat in the talks from sharon and Bryan it was really well laid out.
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07-05-2013, 04:16 PM
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You could have some kind of wireless kill switch, but people would just leave them in the console...
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07-05-2013, 04:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul E
You could have some kind of wireless kill switch, but people would just leave them in the console...
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great idea the only problem there is the range, how far away can you get before they cut out (keyless car jobbies)
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07-05-2013, 04:28 PM
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Ribs
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Originally Posted by Renegade
Fair point Derek. I think on a positive note on this sad topic maybe the racing/ high speed training the rya offer for racing could be adapted into the training syllibus? I was impressed with the ones i have sat in. Really informative and shows dangers of hooks etc.
This guy maybe did have a level 2 or another icc we can speculate and perhaps shouldnt.
When i sat in the talks from sharon and Bryan it was really well laid out.
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For all we know there may have been something that failed on the boat it's self steerage or even kill switch
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07-05-2013, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by still no worries
great idea the only problem there is the range, how far away can you get before they cut out (keyless car jobbies)
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No idea... I have just had an idea of how to do it so that it can't be 'fiddled' or left in the console though! I need to do some research!
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07-05-2013, 04:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by still no worries
great idea the only problem there is the range, how far away can you get before they cut out (keyless car jobbies)
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BLUETOOTH only has a short range, you make your vessel part of your PAN (personal area network). but the flaw could be when your part hits the water (unless in a waterproof case etc).
Keanaz
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07-05-2013, 04:33 PM
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Yeah exactly. easy to jump to conclusions.
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