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Old 24-01-2008, 02:44 AM   #1
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splashing a boat

what is your idea of a splash boat
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Old 24-01-2008, 06:53 AM   #2
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Anytime someone takes a mould directly from an existing shape, or any part of one. Goes for decks, consoles, cup holders, whatever.
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Anytime someone takes a mould directly from an existing shape, or any part of one. Goes for decks, consoles, cup holders, whatever.
Without the permission of the person who owns the rights to said moulds.
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Old 24-01-2008, 07:23 AM   #4
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Absobloodylutly.
In the workshop I have always termed any mould you take off a boat for patterns, location or jigs as a splash. But yes in the illegal sense you are right
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As a boat designer and boatbuilder I must say, when I put in maybe 1000hrs for design, equal amount for building plugs and molds and a coupple of hundred hrs for certification. If someone steal this work by splashing my design I get furious.
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http://boatmad.com/forum/attachment....8&d=1201132248

Here's a good example of a splash.
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what is your idea of a splash boat
Hey Gerard, why don't you go boil your head. You're a bore.
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Skater 21 is one of the most common splashed cats, some actually bought the rights to do it (maybe so in the above case, I don´t know but it seemes to be very serious work) but others don´t, the hydrolift 21 is another common example.

Poor judgement and lack of respect for private property, that is what illegal splashing is all about
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I'm suprised to here that Skater sold rights to build the 21, I'm sure Peter didn't need the money.
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I'm suprised to here that Skater sold rights to build the 21, I'm sure Peter didn't need the money.
Well Skater hasn´t had the 21 in there modelrange for som time now, it´s a very old boat, and it´s quite common to sell rights and molds when the boat goes out of production or in case of companyownership changes etc. but without the rights to use the brand.
In this case there is somone in Brasil and som guy in the states produces this boat, the brasil produced boats are available to by here in sweden so I presume they own the rights to do so.
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Spill the beans Fuller, who is it?
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What about 'splashing' a boat to repair it? Does that count?

If you have a broken hull/deck/cupholder, and you make cosmetic repairs to it, pulloff a plug and reproduce it to effect repairs to the original? At the end of the day you only end ou with one article - the repaired one, so you are not duplicating the thing...
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What about 'splashing' a boat to repair it? Does that count?

If you have a broken hull/deck/cupholder, and you make cosmetic repairs to it, pulloff a plug and reproduce it to effect repairs to the original? At the end of the day you only end ou with one article - the repaired one, so you are not duplicating the thing...
If you rereadwhatyourit you have answered your own question.
Now if you will excuse me I best crawl back in the bilge
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Spill the beans Fuller, who is it?
He's an 'EX' boatmad member, who would like to stir things. but he's ill-informed, predictable, and boring.
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Before i get a grilling i just want to say i agree that taking moulds from a boat, and reproducing them to line your own pockets is wrong. what i am interested to know however is that if i took the old shagged p16 hull i have, took a mould from it and made MYSELF, ONE ONLY new boat. Would this be illegal?? as far as i can see there starts to be a gray area here where repairs finish and splashing begins.
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Twood be a lot cheaper and easier to get a new one.

And to complete your 'theory', you'd need to destroy the original boat and the mould once you'd used it. I still think that would be illegal, at least morally.
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this is true, but everyone likes a project
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the hydrolift 21 is another common example.
To my knowledge the norwegian build Hydro 21 is a (Legal) Splash of British Chris Hodges Lynx cat.


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What about 'splashing' a boat to repair it? Does that count?

If you have a broken hull/deck/cupholder, and you make cosmetic repairs to it, pulloff a plug and reproduce it to effect repairs to the original? At the end of the day you only end ou with one article - the repaired one, so you are not duplicating the thing...
It´s perfectly legal to splash your own boat in order to make molds for repair or replacement of parts at your own boat, even if you replace the whole hull or the whole boat for that matter. You are however for what so ever reason not allowed to sell or give away any parts associated with those molds.

För all of us racing nutters this is good
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To my knowledge the norwegian build Hydro 21 is a (Legal) Splash of British Chris Hodges Lynx cat.


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My attention was not to imply that the Hydro 21 is a illegal splash, but to give another example of boats wich commonly are splashed and Hydrolift 21 cat has given "birth" to many garagebuilt copies sold under many different names.

From the Nor-Cat homepage

The Lynx catamaran, designed by famous designer, Chris Hodges. After a while the Lynx production rights ended up in possession of Hydro Design, owned by Egil Ranvig and the company behind the Hydrolift boats. Ranvig, who had an eye for beautiful lines and sleek aerodynamic shapes, quickly discarded the "not so very good looking" deck of the Lynx. He designed a new lighter deck with much better aerodynamics and weight balance. The cockpit design was borrowed from the T-20. The only, but very important, change to the hull were a well calculated transom step (notch) in each sponson. These steps gave the new boat a much needed change in the hydrodynamic balance.
The speed gain was very obvious and in the official Norwegian Speed Record trials in 1990 this was to be demonstrated. With a Mercury 2.4 EFI engine the Sportcat clocked 90 mph.
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