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20-11-2009, 05:31 PM
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blind dog
Country: uk
Location: fast land
Occupation: going fast
Interests: fast
Boat name: drivers dry berthing
Boat make: buzzi
Cruising area: anywhere fast
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: fast land
Posts: 828
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towing
can you not have a big american pick up as long as itsgot air brakes to conect to the trailer
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20-11-2009, 07:18 PM
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BananaShark Member
Country: UK
Location: Salcombe South Devon
Occupation: Racer and builder
Interests: Winning races
Boat name: BananaShark
Boat make: BananaShark 34' Race
Engines: Twin Yanmar BY 260's
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Salcombe South Devon
Posts: 4,633
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Originally Posted by timtap
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Is that on US plates
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20-11-2009, 08:41 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Boat make: Phantom21
Engines: Mercury 2.5 EFI O/S
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 17
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Maximum Trailer Dimensions
Towing vehicle up to 3500kg GVW
Length (excluding the coupling and drawbar) 7.0 m
Width Maximum 2.3 m
Towing vehicle over 3500kg GVW
Length (excluding the coupling and drawbar) 12 m (min 4 wheels)
Width Maximum 2.55 m
Length of towing vehicle and trailer combined 18 m
Maximum overhang of load from rear of trailer 3.05 m
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http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/law/dimensions.htm
Bearing in mind that a range Range Rover has a GVW of 3100kg GVW, all it can legally tow on length alone, is 7 metres (approx 23 ft.) Although capable of towing a few thousand Kg, it cannot tow, say, a 25ft Phantom LEGALLY, and probably not even a 21 footer on it's trailer. The length does not include the drawbar - but that's only approx 12 inches on most boat trailers.
A sobering thought!!!
A certain proportion of powerboaters would seem to be using illegal outfits without knowing it.
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20-11-2009, 08:46 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: Exeter
Boat make: 9m RIB
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Exeter
Posts: 243
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20-11-2009, 09:30 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RockSteadyCrew
..., all it can legally tow on length alone, is 7 metres (approx 23 ft.).
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Cobblers.....that's the trailer..not the load.
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20-11-2009, 11:05 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Boat make: Phantom21
Engines: Mercury 2.5 EFI O/S
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jono
Cobblers.....that's the trailer..not the load.
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Yes - I have to say you are correct - but I still maintain that 'some' boat owners will be blissfully unaware that their outfit isn't strictly 'legal' length-wise.
A comment I have heard on several occasions: "my super-duper 4x4 V8 Efi Twin-Turbo/ Tdi / will tow anything, up steep hills and slipways". That may be so, but not legally on the Queens Highway!!
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20-11-2009, 11:36 PM
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Engine tester
Country: united kingdom
Location: Southend on Sea
Occupation: Construction
Interests: Gin & Women
Boat name: motorvator
Boat make: Revenger San Marino / Sunseeker Camargue 46 / Phantom 18/19/600
Engines: 502 mercruiser / Detroit 550s / 115 ProXS / Anything Borrowed
Cruising area: Thames, Southend
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Southend on Sea
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MY super-duper 4x4 V8 Efi Twin-Turbo/ Tdi / will tow anything, up steep hills and slipways including 27 foot of revenger and still remains legal. It's to do with the what you term the drawbar.
Measure back to the start of the A frame or winch bar and you are OK.
I have however been pulled by some stupid tart with a peaked cap getting on the hovercraft years ago with the P18 and she pointed out with a tape measure that the overall length exceeded 40 foot because the lighting board arms constituted part of the trailer.
Took the board off and tied it on the boat, stuck the arms away, had a row about whether the bag was flourescent orange or red and told her to poke it much to the merriment of the blokes in peaked caps with the full brain cells who thought it was highly amusing.
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21-11-2009, 01:33 AM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: Weston Super Mare
Occupation: Electrical Engineer
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Location: Weston Super Mare
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that statement makes more or less every boat illegal rock steady dude!!!
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21-11-2009, 01:50 AM
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Captain slow
Country: england
Location: surrey
Boat name: terminal velocity no.120
Boat make: phantom20
Engines: 2.5efi smillin jack
Cruising area: solent
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: surrey
Posts: 477
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can i tow my camping trailer legally
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21-11-2009, 01:35 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: Oxford
Occupation: Property
Interests: Powerboats, Alpine Skiing
Boat name: Blastoff Challenger
Boat make: Fountain 38 poker run
Engines: 2 x Yanmar 440
Cruising area: Solent
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Oxford
Posts: 143
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If I put air brakes onto my existing tri-axle trailer then how does that stack up with a towing vehicle?
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21-11-2009, 02:27 PM
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Registered User
Location: Essex
Boat make: Phantom 21
Engines: Merc 2.5efi
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Essex
Posts: 337
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How do the american motorhome laws work.? I have a 31ft motorhome and a 21 foot boat. Am i legal ?
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21-11-2009, 04:17 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 495
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Towinh legally in the UK
1, The first point is what license you have, if you have an old UK car license you will properly have C1E which will allow you to tow up to 12 tons. However if it has a 107 exception this restricts the weoght to 8259KG
"C1E - Combinations of vehicles where the towing vehicle is in subcategory C1 and its trailer has a M.A.M. of over 750kg provided that the M.A.M. of the combination thus formed does not exceed 12,000kg and the M.A.M. of the trailer does not exceed the unladen mass of the towing vehicle. (Code 107 - If you passed your category B test prior to 1.1.1997 you will be restricted to a total weight not more than 8,250kg)"
2, The maximum overall length of the vehicle and trailer should not exceed 54ft. Please remember importantly the draw bar of a trailer is not included in this measurement and it is accepted in the UK that the 'A' frame of a boat trailer is a draw bar.
I know the above because we researched it quite thoroughly as a friend of mine used a Mercedes 815 7.5 ton truck which has been adapted to full air trailer brakes and also a UN76 hitch and has a GTW of 18 tons making it easily capable of towing his 5 ton boat + trailer.
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21-11-2009, 04:46 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by freddy21
I know the above because we researched it quite thoroughly as a friend of mine used a Mercedes 815 7.5 ton truck which has been adapted to full air trailer brakes and also a UN76 hitch and has a GTW of 18 tons making it easily capable of towing his 5 ton boat + trailer.
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Not legal on C1E licence... MAM of trailer exceeds unladen mass of 815 Merc about 3.5 tonnes.. need HGV CE....
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21-11-2009, 05:09 PM
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Ringle@der
Country: England
Location: Uckfield, East Sussex.
Interests: Water Ski Racing.
Boat name: Both called ‘Irresistible’.
Boat make: Bernico F1 Twin, Monterey 265SC.
Engines: 2 x Mercury 300XS's, Yanmar 315.
Cruising area: South and east coasts. Eastbourne Marina.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Uckfield, East Sussex.
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The maximum length allowed is 18.75m or 61.5ft. Here's a link to Dept. Of Transport requirements for trailers.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehi...ntsfortrailers
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21-11-2009, 09:27 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 495
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RockSteadyCrew
http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/law/dimensions.htm
Bearing in mind that a range Range Rover has a GVW of 3100kg GVW, all it can legally tow on length alone, is 7 metres (approx 23 ft.) Although capable of towing a few thousand Kg, it cannot tow, say, a 25ft Phantom LEGALLY, and probably not even a 21 footer on it's trailer. The length does not include the drawbar - but that's only approx 12 inches on most boat trailers.
A sobering thought!!!
A certain proportion of powerboaters would seem to be using illegal outfits without knowing it.
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Is it not accepted in the UK that the 'A' frame is the draw bar and the length of the trailer is actually measured where the parallel sections starts.
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21-11-2009, 10:08 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 670
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i took a crap this morning then let rip a good fart....going to check the internet now to see iff i broke the law as after reading this thread ime a little worried
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21-11-2009, 10:56 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,373
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dangerous
How do the american motorhome laws work.? I have a 31ft motorhome and a 21 foot boat. Am i legal ?
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So i understand it
Spoke to Vosa few years back as i run minibuses and own a 33foot motorhome
He said the max weight of Motorhome must not exceed 7.5t over that you need HGV
Combined weight with trailer 8.25 t
So example 6t motorhome 2.25t trailer
Max length 18 meters
A vehicle with gross weight under 3.5t can only tow max 7m trailer
Vehicle over 3.5t can tow 12m max overall lenght 18m max combined weight 8.25t
Big yank pick ups are over 3.5t gross and are capable of towing in excess of 5t and up to 12m in lenght in states but may not be approved over here
So i understand over 3.5t weight over here need air brakes.
Having said all that i know some guys running 10t motorhomes towing race cars on trailers never having a problem ( which should mean class 1 ) never having a problem. untill may be the dreaded accident
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22-11-2009, 04:22 PM
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#38
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Registered User
Country: US
Location: Virginia
Interests: Quiet desperation
Boat name: A Little Noisy
Boat make: Excalibur 24
Engines: Express Racing 525
Cruising area: Mobjack Bay (where?)
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,968
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Quote:
Originally Posted by baj666
i took a crap this morning then let rip a good fart....going to check the internet now to see iff i broke the law as after reading this thread ime a little worried
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EU Directive 2006/39/EC on The Release and Control of Gaseous Emissions
A fart will not be specifcally required to precede a crap but if farting is present it must in no instance follow the aforementioned crap.
Sounds like you're in trouble.
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04-12-2009, 08:36 AM
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BananaShark Member
Country: UK
Location: Salcombe South Devon
Occupation: Racer and builder
Interests: Winning races
Boat name: BananaShark
Boat make: BananaShark 34' Race
Engines: Twin Yanmar BY 260's
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Salcombe South Devon
Posts: 4,633
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If I buy an Artic tractor unit, replace the fifth wheel with a flat bed and put a NATO hitch on the back what weight and size do you guys reckon I can pull then, and what licence would I need?
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04-12-2009, 11:32 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cookee
what weight and size do you guys reckon I can pull then?
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I thought you were recently married
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