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07-05-2004, 08:47 AM
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Country: Lymington UK
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US boat builders ??
think this question aimed at our US friends got lost on a previous site....
Which is the toughest built, best riding rough water hull your side of the pond??
In the 24-36ft range, new or old...
Cigarette, sonic, warlock, pantera, formula, apache, fountain, sunsation, active thunder, DCB ??
whats your view on stepped hulls compared to non stepped?? in terms of speed and handling/safety ??
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07-05-2004, 10:24 AM
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The Doc
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C'mon APB, Glastron Carlson is the only way to go!
Especially a '78 vintage in metalflake gold with brown & cream piped seats.
They may frisbee like a good'n, but grow a hanldle-bar tash and no-one would question your porn star credentials 
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07-05-2004, 03:50 PM
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Exec Member
Country: USA
Location: CHICAGO
Boat name: WARLORD
Boat make: 35 CIG MISTRESS
Engines: 500'S
Join Date: May 2004
Location: CHICAGO
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Re: US boat builders ??
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Originally posted by Admiral P. Brain
think this question aimed at our US friends got lost on a previous site....
Which is the toughest built, best riding rough water hull your side of the pond??
In the 24-36ft range, new or old...
Cigarette, sonic, warlock, pantera, formula, apache, fountain, sunsation, active thunder, DCB ??
whats your view on stepped hulls compared to non stepped?? in terms of speed and handling/safety ??
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The answer has to be the Kissin' Cousins..Cigarette and APACHE
Sonic has as great hull as well as Pantera
But, the best rough water boats are just outside your catagory...which is the Cigarette Top Gun and the 41 APACHE.
The 36 APACHE is a newer and shorter version of the 41
and the 35 Cig is either a Cafe Racer or a Mistress(which is what I own)
Fountains are extrememly quick with less HP and steps have increases that efficiency.
Steps in hulls have less wetted surface therefore much faster than a conventional v hull,although,can get squirrely if you do not know how to drive them....
as usual..just my 2 cents
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07-05-2004, 04:41 PM
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Country: Lymington UK
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yes the top gun is my favourite boat!!
theres a mistress over here a early 80's i believe with 575's in.
can you post some pictures of yours??
The Apache looks cool I had a good look at them at the Miami boat show, met some guy called Eric who said he wouldnt sell a 28 unless it had min of 600hp !! nice style!!
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07-05-2004, 05:09 PM
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Exec Member
Country: USA
Location: CHICAGO
Boat name: WARLORD
Boat make: 35 CIG MISTRESS
Engines: 500'S
Join Date: May 2004
Location: CHICAGO
Posts: 117
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07-05-2004, 05:10 PM
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Exec Member
Country: USA
Location: CHICAGO
Boat name: WARLORD
Boat make: 35 CIG MISTRESS
Engines: 500'S
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Btw...the person you met..ERIC...was Bobby Saccenti's partner.
Bob was the founder for APACHE...
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07-05-2004, 05:11 PM
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Exec Member
Country: USA
Location: CHICAGO
Boat name: WARLORD
Boat make: 35 CIG MISTRESS
Engines: 500'S
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07-05-2004, 05:12 PM
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Exec Member
Country: USA
Location: CHICAGO
Boat name: WARLORD
Boat make: 35 CIG MISTRESS
Engines: 500'S
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The dash 
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07-05-2004, 07:09 PM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
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Nice! ...what power?
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07-05-2004, 07:15 PM
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Exec Member
Country: USA
Location: CHICAGO
Boat name: WARLORD
Boat make: 35 CIG MISTRESS
Engines: 500'S
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twin 500's...
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07-05-2004, 07:36 PM
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Exec Member
Country: USA
Location: CHICAGO
Boat name: WARLORD
Boat make: 35 CIG MISTRESS
Engines: 500'S
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Here's my old ride on a COPS run...
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07-05-2004, 10:44 PM
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Registered User
Country: USA
Location: Jupiter, Florida
Occupation: Throttleman
Interests: Offshore Racing
Cruising area: Atlantic Ocean
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Jupiter, Florida
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I agree with Cashbrain but would like to add that in the 24 -28 range it is tough to top the pantera. Great rough water boat and a lifetime warranty on the hull and deck even if you race it
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07-05-2004, 10:46 PM
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Registered User
Country: USA
Location: Jupiter, Florida
Occupation: Throttleman
Interests: Offshore Racing
Cruising area: Atlantic Ocean
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Location: Jupiter, Florida
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Here is a link to there website Pantera
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07-05-2004, 11:12 PM
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Exec Member
Country: USA
Location: CHICAGO
Boat name: WARLORD
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Quote:
Originally posted by Scottb
I agree with Cashbrain but would like to add that in the 24 -28 range it is tough to top the pantera. Great rough water boat and a lifetime warranty on the hull and deck even if you race it
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I agree...I know Pepe and Jo and they are great people to do business with and really know how to build a boat...
Here's another that can't be beat..a 28 CIG/SBC'S..and my first Cig
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08-05-2004, 12:02 AM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
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Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
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There's a really ancient 28 cig over here that's been converted to a kind of open sports/fisher, 2xSBC also, they shoulda left it alone tho! will try and get a pic of it to post.
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08-05-2004, 12:29 PM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
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Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
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yup
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"I Agree with everything you say really!" - John Cooke to Jon Fuller - 26-01-2013
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09-05-2004, 08:22 PM
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Registered User
Country: Job Centre
Location: In a box
Occupation: Chaos's gofer
Interests: Skiving
Boat make: Spectre 30
Engines: 2 x Promax 225
Cruising area: In the bath
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: In a box
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Wot, this one? I posted this pic a few months ago on Speedwake, and the majority of opinions were that it's a fake!!
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10-05-2004, 01:21 AM
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Exec Member
Country: USA
Location: CHICAGO
Boat name: WARLORD
Boat make: 35 CIG MISTRESS
Engines: 500'S
Join Date: May 2004
Location: CHICAGO
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Definitely a fake...
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10-05-2004, 02:13 AM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
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We best make some stickers for the side of this fake! (Cashbrain, we don't like 'fakes' here! lol
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10-05-2004, 03:29 AM
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Registered User
Country: USA
Location: Jupiter, Florida
Occupation: Throttleman
Interests: Offshore Racing
Cruising area: Atlantic Ocean
Join Date: May 2004
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The sticker is even wrong
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