what is YOUR opinion on this

[OCRDA]

Originally Posted by Paul E

Less than a blueprinted 115 Pro V

And considerably more than 115 hp all the UIM have to do to mend this class is take away "115 hp" from the class rules simply call it 1800 cc

Stop kidding yourselves that you are running stock 115's that went out the window when they allowed a re-badged 130 etec to run in the worlds !!

[motorvator]

Originally Posted by OCRDA

I have shown my intention to enter the Class 3 worlds in Guernsey as I did in UK & Norway I am just interested to know how they will be checking that engines are 115 hp as stated in the rules !

I may have mentioned this before but my Yamaha V4 is every bit as epa compliant as any other just check the facts.

Bob,

You know full well that an EPA engine is subject to the rule of no blueprinting or alteration of any powerhead component.

And just so we all understand the term blueprinting, that in any case is about bringing a motor to manufacturers tolerances not a term to hide blatant cheating behind.

As both Paul E and I have told you and our Swedish friend has alluded to, you really don't have to worry about whether engines will be checked for compliance with their homologation papers. They will, and you will get caught if you try to bend a motor.

Your Yamaha V4 traded on a dispensation for EPA allowing a certain volume of dirty engines to be produced for a period of transition as you well know. That period of transition ran out years ago hence why they are not marketed. If you don't like it take it up with Cominoff and reapply for homologation of your motor for competition.

As for mending the class. There is nothing to mend, bar perhaps you clearing off and minding your business from it. You appear to find it unpalatable that despite your protestations and manoeuvring the class is becoming a success story.

Your efforts maybe would better directed to 'mending' the class you appear to have had a hand in successfully breaking.

[Paul E]

The class isn't broken, it's got by far the highest amount of new boats in the UK, and we've got 6 here in Guernsey with others thinking of joining in the fun...

If all of the engines are Homologated and rated from the factory by the same standards then what's the problem? As I said there's very stringent plans being put in place to catch any cheats, speak to the organising committee if you want more info on how they're planning to do it

[OCRDA]

Originally Posted by motorvator

Bob,

You know full well that an EPA engine is subject to the rule of no blueprinting or alteration of any powerhead component.

And just so we all understand the term blueprinting, that in any case is about bringing a motor to manufacturers tolerances not a term to hide blatant cheating behind.

As both Paul E and I have told you and our Swedish friend has alluded to, you really don't have to worry about whether engines will be checked for compliance with their homologation papers. They will, and you will get caught if you try to bend a motor.

Your Yamaha V4 traded on a dispensation for EPA allowing a certain volume of dirty engines to be produced for a period of transition as you well know. That period of transition ran out years ago hence why they are not marketed. If you don't like it take it up with Cominoff and reapply for homologation of your motor for competition.

As for mending the class. There is nothing to mend, bar perhaps you clearing off and minding your business from it. You appear to find it unpalatable that despite your protestations and manoeuvring the class is becoming a success story.

Your efforts maybe would better directed to 'mending' the class you appear to have had a hand in successfully breaking.

What on earth are you babbling on about now ! I have never had, nor have any intentions of running my currently available epa V4 in Class 3 !! It runs quite happily in OCR as it has for the past 25 + years.

3a is not broken but simply misleading as no one is using 115 hp engines.
As for clearing off and minding my business !! That's what we often get from the misinformed new boys !! It is my business as I am intending to compete in the Class 3 Worlds

[Renegade]

I dont think he means 3a but ocr

[motorvator]

Originally Posted by OCRDA

What on earth are you babbling on about now ! I have never had, nor have any intentions of running my currently available epa V4 in Class 3 !! It runs quite happily in OCR as it has for the past 25 + years.

3a is not broken but simply misleading as no one is using 115 hp engines.
As for clearing off and minding my business !! That's what we often get from the misinformed new boys !! It is my business as I am intending to compete in the Class 3 Worlds

Ok let's get the misinformed new boy out of the way first Bob.

Joined OCRDA in 83/84/85. E26 1.8 litre. You?

Your currently available EPA V4?

Can you please point me to a supplier outside of deepest Africa and your mate Nico where I can purchase one and maybe furnish us all with a statement from the manufacturer that it meets current EPA.

You ran an XR2 up until 2002 apart from a few stints and the 130 Yam since. 12 years. Before that time and a while after it was a homologated engine and obviously open to scrutineering. Do you have those homologation papers Bob? And do you want to submit yours for scutineering?

As for misleading. It seems that only you are confused by the rules.

"Strictly standard marine production engines as marketed by manufacturers to leisure boating customers" Fishing motors as I recall you refer to them.

The Scandies are happy, the Guernsians are happy, the majority of the Brits are happy. But oh no, Bob is not happy. Bit like he wasn't happy with the XR2 s really.

You asked me a question at AYC. Why is Jack racing 3A? I told you straight why he would not be racing OCR as long as you had anything to do with it and the best you could do was state well 3A is a new class not worthy, but here you are telling us you want to compete at the worlds.

I had no wish to get into an on line row with you but you have pushed mine and many others buttons one too many times. I have zero interest in your attempts to destroy the sport any further. I and others are making a concerted effort to get fleets back together in clean class racing and you can either join us or not in that aim.

What is it to be?

[Zander]

Hear, hear!
Motorvator spot on.

[topgun]

Originally Posted by Zander

Hear, hear!
Motorvator spot on.

I think it is great that you all can have a thrash out of questions/remarks. We have a great racing scene here run by some very keen club members but unfortunately merely a mention of old race courses being longer than now is enough to make some over protective admin moderators choose to delete the post rather than discuss anything which I thought was the idea of a forum!

[Zander]

May I ask why you qouted me? My english goes only this far and I would like some explanation here ,

[Paul E]

Originally Posted by topgun

I think it is great that you all can have a thrash out of questions/remarks. We have a great racing scene here run by some very keen club members but unfortunately merely a mention of old race courses being longer than now is enough to make some over protective admin moderators choose to delete the post rather than discuss anything which I thought was the idea of a forum!

Steve, I don't know who deleted your stuff about the longer courses, and it was a bit over-zealous, but we agreed as a club at the start of the season that the Facebook group wouldn't be the place for discussions or arguments like that (I'm in no way saying that yours was an argument though!)

[topgun]

Originally Posted by Paul E

Steve, I don't know who deleted your stuff about the longer courses, and it was a bit over-zealous, but we agreed as a club at the start of the season that the Facebook group wouldn't be the place for discussions or arguments like that (I'm in no way saying that yours was an argument though!)

Hi Paul, I was only stating that we had some great racing over the old courses which was enough to have the post deleted, to be honest there are so many local race sites I am unsure as to which one I look at to get race info!

I have also made efforts to get race events sponsored but no one has bothered to contact me or as far as I know the person that was interested. I am all for pro active support for the club but a minority seem to be on a bit of a power trip. I cant be assed with catty crap all I want to do is get back out there. Hows your mounts all sorted - sorry to crash this thread

[Renegade]

Well, thats that then.

[Renegade]

after some thought are you going to cap pricing on rigs to avoid the situation that ruined 3c?

IE boats that cost 70.000 to race?

In the real world this will happen again
The ocke and 27' cat will kill off affordable rigs if you want big numbers.

just a thought.

[Paul E]

No canopies allowed?

[Renegade]

Custom built one off race boats?

[Renegade]

max/ min length? max RRP hull price? these things really need consideration rather than the usual knee jerk reaction.

[Captain Chaos]

And x height

[motorvator]

Originally Posted by Renegade

max/ min length? max RRP hull price? these things really need consideration rather than the usual knee jerk reaction.

Can't see the need for max rrp. Doesn't exist in 3A/B, so why not follow what is there. Same goes with 'X' Height.

Natural progression has been for the Cats/Bats and Monohulls to split and the same would happen with a 150 class over time.

Trying to follow formulas already used by OCR and E1500 would be a mistake I think.

[Renegade]

Then i honestly think it could out price itself. someone will come out with a boat thats cost £15,000 made of trick stuff and design and that's what you need to be competitive, again what happened in 3C.

Just my 2p

[Adam]

Cost was only part of the problem with 3C - look how many years it survived very happily without problems from cost of boats. In reality there were always more expensive boats, but especially in the UK waters it was not so much of a problem. Then - also 'cost to build' is almost impossible to enforce.

Learning from 3C - I would say the more important things to learn from it's demise (in this country) would be canopies, 15" shaft engines, Race engines especially.

But on the good side I would say that the cube rule works well and keeps some measure of a sportsboat volume. Could even be increased! Or maybe in time all boats have to have side by side cockpits?

Just keep 150 class as simple as possible and as few rules as possible - but with stock engines - anything EPA badged as 150hp.

In time as said if successful it will naturally split into multihulls and monohull classes.