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Old 20-05-2013, 11:18 PM   #61
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Is the Red Jet going to do the Re-Start @ Torquay?

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No - Can't give them another excuse for the delayed 11.15 Southampton - West Cowes.

On that note Keanaz, any thoughts for a Start Boat at Torquay?
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Old 21-05-2013, 12:09 AM   #62
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What interest is out there this year to be on the 2013 Red Jet Start Boat?

Last year we ran it with 90 paying guests and I hope we learned from mistakes made in previous years.

I will need to gauge the interest before I commit with Red Funnel.

Ticket Price this year will be £25.00
Yes please John, 2 tickets , may be 3. Have also another very good local photographer to come along.
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Old 21-05-2013, 06:46 AM   #63
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Old 21-05-2013, 08:09 AM   #64
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No - Can't give them another excuse for the delayed 11.15 Southampton - West Cowes.

On that note Keanaz, any thoughts for a Start Boat at Torquay?

I just do safety boat in my Larson Bow rider, the last time we did this at Torquay it was a staged start, i.e. a layover of exactly 2hrs.
Although I will be there again this year by reading the communications it sounds like a big start at 14:00 (providing all are ready) which means some will hang around for 2-3 hours but some later commers might only get a short lay over say 20 mins?

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I just do safety boat in my Larson Bow rider, the last time we did this at Torquay it was a staged start, i.e. a layover of exactly 2hrs.
Although I will be there again this year by reading the communications it sounds like a big start at 14:00 (providing all are ready) which means some will hang around for 2-3 hours but some later commers might only get a short lay over say 20 mins?

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On reflection - how about this:

A control gate with a boat marshall so passing on the starboard side (Brixham) somewhere in Torbay, where the boat is given his END time e.g. 11:06
(Ideally if we could get like a cricket flip over chart) and show this time to the boat, for them to acknowledge with a "thumbs up" etc

the boat then makes its way to Torquay Marina (via refueling if required), for its 2 hour lay over from the END time,

once moored up on Haldon Pier, another marshall puts them in place i.e. order of arrival

The Haldon Pier Marshall will also have been told of the arrival time via HF Handheld.

10 Mins before his departure time e.g. 12:56 he will be released from the marina to the Port side (Control gate) of the boat marshall, A green flag will drop at e.g. 13:06 for his run back to Cowes.

This is repeated for each boat entering the control gate at Torquay, anyone not going through this gate will get some form of penalty.

Likewise anyone jumping the start gate for the run back to Cowes will also incur a penalty

Anyone not making the Entry control gate by e.g. 13:50 will not be allowed to start the run back to Cowes.

(If this Start Control boat was me, After all boats have gone through I would then sweep the route as far as Exmouth (my home port).

Just my thoughts?

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On reflection - how about this:

A control gate with a boat marshall so passing on the starboard side (Brixham) somewhere in Torbay, where the boat is given his END time e.g. 11:06
(Ideally if we could get like a cricket flip over chart) and show this time to the boat, for them to acknowledge with a "thumbs up" etc

the boat then makes its way to Torquay Marina (via refueling if required), for its 2 hour lay over from the END time,

once moored up on Haldon Pier, another marshall puts them in place i.e. order of arrival

The Haldon Pier Marshall will also have been told of the arrival time via HF Handheld.

10 Mins before his departure time e.g. 12:56 he will be released from the marina to the Port side (Control gate) of the boat marshall, A green flag will drop at e.g. 13:06 for his run back to Cowes.

This is repeated for each boat entering the control gate at Torquay, anyone not going through this gate will get some form of penalty.

Likewise anyone jumping the start gate for the run back to Cowes will also incur a penalty

Anyone not making the Entry control gate by e.g. 13:50 will not be allowed to start the run back to Cowes.

(If this Start Control boat was me, After all boats have gone through I would then sweep the route as far as Exmouth (my home port).

Just my thoughts?

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A well thought out suggestion, but I think I am right in saying that "Torquay" wants to witness the spectacal of a massed start in Tor Bay.
They are giving much support to this years race, so need a spectacular start, to ensure spectators there get "value for money" so to speak.
No doubt JM will post on this in due course.
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I would just like to reply to a couple of the posts on here.

LukeJustLuke - Hamble Point Marina, thank you for your kind offer.

I know we haven't had a Cowes start for the longest of time, but to keep with any form of tradition the BPRC would prefer the Race Pits, Drivers Briefing and Prize Giving are based in Cowes.

Unfortunately, this year we simply couldn't afford the Cowes Yacht Haven, Michael Campbell, Commodore of the Royal Yacht Squadron, (a former powerboat racer) offered the RYS amenities to the BPRC, and we are very grateful.

Keanaz - Thank you for taking the time to write your thoughts.
The Cowes Torquay Cowes this year is in fact going to be 2 races.
The race to Torquay and the race back to Cowes, I can try and give you our thoughts behind this.

Torbay Council wanted to see CTC raceboats back at Torquay, not just turning a mark at Teignmouth as per last year.

Because of various sailing events in Torbay on our traditional Bank Holiday weekend, we moved our date one week forward to ensure permissions.

Torbay Council also wanted to see the raceboats not only navigate and race in their bay, but stop over so the holidaymakers, general public and fans of the sport could see the boats close up at Haldon Pier.

We then looked at re-fuelling for the racers during the stop over, to do this correctly you would have to go to a commercial solution as Mike Lloyd did on certain legs of the 2008 Round Britain race- No budget!

I then spoke to some Marathon Racers who understood the stop over benefits for Torquay, but they felt that re-fuelling wasn't really in the spirit of what they would like to achieve, let alone if it was flat all the way to Torquay and some quicker boats could use it as a sprint (last flat race was in 2008 when Richard Carr ran to Torquay at up to115 mph).

We took the decision to have a traditional rolling start back to Cowes from Torquay - this was again to give the the holidaymakers, general public and fans of the sport something else to see.

Some other thoughts -

Cowes Start time - 09.00

Time out for racers 3 1/2 hours - so, if you finish at Torquay after 12.30 you will not be included in Cowes Torquay results.

However, boats that don't and make it to Haldon Pier will be allowed to compete for Torquay Cowes subject to scruitineering and briefing.
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Back to the good old days of stopping over, has my support. Good idea to have another start and at last someone is thinking of the public.

If you checked out my old posts I have always wanted that.
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Four tickets for the Red Jet please John. Was great last year.

Hope to see some of you at Torquay this weekend.
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Torbay Council also wanted to see the raceboats not only navigate and race in their bay, but stop over so the holidaymakers, general public and fans of the sport could see the boats close up at Haldon Pier.


Wasn't much of that this weekend for the Torquay Classic - the start point was way off Brixham and only a turn mark near the pier (Haldon) and with the boats going off to Teignmouth several times don't think it was much as a "Sight seeing event"

We were on Mark 3 in the middle of Torbay and it was a bit quite, not sure how your going to do a rolling start where the public et al, will get a good view - unless they all bring bino's etc

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not sure how your going to do a rolling start where the public et al, will get a good view - unless they all bring bino's etc

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Have the rolling start from a muster area the other side of Paignton and start the whole fleet towards Torquay with enough room to sort themselves out before arriving at a turn mark near the harbour at Torquay - shut the harbour for 10 minutes before hand - job done!
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Torbay Council also wanted to see the raceboats not only navigate and race in their bay, but stop over so the holidaymakers, general public and fans of the sport could see the boats close up at Haldon Pier.


Wasn't much of that this weekend for the Torquay Classic - the start point was way off Brixham and only a turn mark near the pier (Haldon) and with the boats going off to Teignmouth several times don't think it was much as a "Sight seeing event"

We were on Mark 3 in the middle of Torbay and it was a bit quite, not sure how your going to do a rolling start where the public et al, will get a good view - unless they all bring bino's etc

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Set up a stall selling bino's on Haldon Pier - I know just the man !
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Can you give me the contact details for that man please Martin?

Course, and all things Torquay have now been submitted to the RYA.

Pointless that I prematurely ping out our initial plan.
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Pointless that I prematurely ping out our initial plan.
Nice alliteration.
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Nice alliteration.
I will add that to various things I have been accused of in the past.

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