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08-10-2005, 01:45 PM
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#61
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Registered User
Location: GOLDEN MILE
Boat name: LILY THE PINK AND TERMINATOR 11
Boat make: PHANTOM 21 AND 20
Engines: 2.5 EFI X 2
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Location: GOLDEN MILE
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Quote:
Originally posted by Johnny Boat Dude
I fort he had a MAD EFI Total Control Jobbi
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Ive just changed back to merc ecu for next weeks racing cos mad efi still needs some fine tuning, by the way ive got both ecu's fitted in boat , can be swopped over in minutes.
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08-10-2005, 01:52 PM
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hello
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Does the MAD EFI ECU not use a different loom and engine sensors etc?
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08-10-2005, 01:58 PM
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#63
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Registered User
Location: GOLDEN MILE
Boat name: LILY THE PINK AND TERMINATOR 11
Boat make: PHANTOM 21 AND 20
Engines: 2.5 EFI X 2
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: GOLDEN MILE
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Quote:
Originally posted by Johnny Boat Dude
Does the MAD EFI ECU not use a different loom and engine sensors etc?
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Yup, boats got wires running everywhere, ive got extension loom to fit merc ecu inside boat + mad ecu fits inside as well.
I'll get a pic or get hutchy to post one.
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08-10-2005, 02:00 PM
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hello
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,739
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bazza
the rule for F2 is simple for racing in GB and europe, it is 300hp
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I assume thats propshaft horse power?
Quote:
Originally posted by Cyco
Normally Dyno testing is done on a bench in a controlled enviroment.
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When measured as described by Cyco is the power measure at the flywheel? If it is then a power head should be allowed to produce upto approximatly 325 HP and still be legal.
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08-10-2005, 02:03 PM
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hello
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,739
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Quote:
Originally posted by roofer
ive got extension loom to fit merc ecu inside boat
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Does that come with the MAD intake then as I've often wondered where the ECU goes when you have one of these fitted. The only Extension loom I've heard of is the Brucato one for the PCU, this would work with a factory merc ECU also.
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08-10-2005, 02:10 PM
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hello
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Posts: 2,739
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Re: Burtys engine build
Quote:
Originally posted by Bazza
the rule for F2 is simple for racing in GB and europe, it is 300hp
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So are the classes now based on maximum horse power rather than maximum cylinder capacity?
If so what are the limits for F1 and F3, how much power?
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08-10-2005, 02:31 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: South West
Boat make: Cyclone/ Cyclone/Rinker
Engines: Merc 2.5 efi's/300XS/5.0 v8
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Rules for F1, F2, F3
5.02 Total displacement of the engine(s) whether inboard or outboard shall not exceed 9.42 liters - 535 c.i. or 300 HP for Formula 2 Class measured at the prop shaft. PENALTY 12.03
SPECIFICATIONS FOR FORMULA 3 BOATS
The Formula 3 boats, must comply with all the specifications as per RULE 5, from point 5.01 to 5.33, as shown at the EAME and World Racing Rules Book, with the Following modifications:
1. Minimum Length of the hull 18ft or 5.48 metres. ( Amendment rule 5.01)
2. Only for outboards
3. Sittings Pilot and Co-pilot Side by Side. Co-pilot seat able to be positioned aft or backwards.
4. Standard Recreational outboard engines of 2 stroke, direct injection, or
4 stroke. Not racing or high performance.
5. Maximum power of 150 HP / 111,85 Kw, measured at the propeller shaft as per
ICOMIA specifications. (Amendment 5.02)
6. Standard Manufacturer’s Exhaust, under water level
7. Only allowed to change the propeller pitch
8. Steering. Dual Cable or reliable Hydraulic Steering System
9. Ballast tank allowed
10. Bracket, if fitted, adjustable only by hand, not during navigation
11. Boat construction: Normal materials like on the recreational boats. Not permited
other materials used for racing like carbon fiver, etc.
Please
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08-10-2005, 02:37 PM
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#68
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Registered User
Location: GOLDEN MILE
Boat name: LILY THE PINK AND TERMINATOR 11
Boat make: PHANTOM 21 AND 20
Engines: 2.5 EFI X 2
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Quote:
Originally posted by Johnny Boat Dude
Does that come with the MAD intake then as I've often wondered where the ECU goes when you have one of these fitted. The only Extension loom I've heard of is the Brucato one for the PCU, this would work with a factory merc ECU also.
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No i bought the merc loom off ian blacker, I think its a factory part.
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08-10-2005, 02:55 PM
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hello
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Posts: 2,739
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Quote:
Originally posted by Wacky Racer
SPECIFICATIONS FOR FORMULA 3 BOATS
10. Bracket, if fitted, adjustable only by hand, not during navigation
11. Boat construction: Normal materials like on the recreational boats. Not permited
other materials used for racing like carbon fiver, etc.
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So are F1 and F2 Boats still allowed hydraulic lifters, kevlar, carbon fibre etc?
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08-10-2005, 03:27 PM
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Registered User
Location: GOLDEN MILE
Boat name: LILY THE PINK AND TERMINATOR 11
Boat make: PHANTOM 21 AND 20
Engines: 2.5 EFI X 2
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Quote:
Originally posted by Johnny Boat Dude
What pressure is roofer running on his adjustable reg?
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More than 39 psi less than 56
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08-10-2005, 04:32 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: South West
Boat make: Cyclone/ Cyclone/Rinker
Engines: Merc 2.5 efi's/300XS/5.0 v8
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No hydraulic lifters allowed in F2 worlds, bracket allowed but may not be movable when in motion. This rule may well be adopted for F2 in GB and Europe in the near future.
World Rules F2:
(a) Hulls - Minimum length of hull shall be 18 ft or 5.48 metres
(b) This class is for outboards only
(c) Standard engines only, no racing or performance enhanced engines. The following is list of the accepted engines for the 2005 Championships:
Mercury Marine:
Optimax 200XS
Optimax 250XS
Promax 225X
2.5 EFI Sport
2.5 EFI SS
2.5 EFI Offshore
Promax 300 (1999 model and earlier )
Any existing engines in competition for national races world wide are eligible IF THEY MEET THE IWSF F-2 RULES FOR WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS.
Promax 300X and new Yamaha 300 are not eligible.
(d) Engine capacity – limit of 300 HP measured at the prop shaft or the equivalent in KW
(e) Standard legs only. No quick foots allowed
(f ) Must run standard manufacturer’s exhaust system
(g) All engines must have operational forward, neutral and reverse gears
(h ) Steering - Dual cable system with either dual rotary or dual rack helms should be fitted
(i) No mechanical means of height adjustment for the motor
(k) Shall be limited to commercially available Unleaded Pump Fuel. No Avgas, racing fuel or octane boosters allowed
In F3 bracket only allowed if the boat has no engine well.
Boat spec is open in F1 and F2 as long as it within the length limits
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08-10-2005, 05:59 PM
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On a roll
Country: England
Location: Plymouth
Occupation: Anything in metal
Interests: Bristol Rovers, Cider & Boats
Boat name: Aqua Thunder, Badboy
Boat make: Bernico F2, Phantom 21
Engines: Merc 280efi, Merc 260efi
Cruising area: Worldwide
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Plymouth
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So could I race in F3 then with a bog standard 150 on a p21? Great, I better start clearing a space on the fireplace, how many do you get in F3, and I`m not taking the p*ss, as it does take my fancy. Anyone fancy skiing?
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08-10-2005, 06:13 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: South West
Boat make: Cyclone/ Cyclone/Rinker
Engines: Merc 2.5 efi's/300XS/5.0 v8
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Yep, There are rumors that there could be six or seven boats next year
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09-10-2005, 10:34 AM
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Registered User
Location: Essex
Boat make: Phantom 21
Engines: Merc 2.5efi
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Lookin at it from that angle F3 is where the best racing is gonna be , i think the rest of it will be more of a procession! Any one wanna buy a 2.5?
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09-10-2005, 10:56 AM
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Registered User
Country: Job Centre
Location: In a box
Occupation: Chaos's gofer
Interests: Skiving
Boat make: Spectre 30
Engines: 2 x Promax 225
Cruising area: In the bath
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: In a box
Posts: 5,201
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dangerous
Any one wanna buy a 2.5?
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£££££ ?????
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10-10-2005, 09:44 AM
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: kent
Occupation: director
Interests: ski racing
Boat name: hotshot
Boat make: cyclone 21
Engines: mercury 280
Cruising area: global
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: kent
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Re: Re: Burtys engine build
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Burty
Whatever, if you or any other ski race muppets want to strip it down and check it then you can pay for the shipping to the states and the costs to get it put back together.
Didn't realise engines had to be kept under lock and cowl
I am more than happy to have my engine put on the dyno as long as every engine gets the same treatment! [/Q
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No need to get personal mate, some one asked the rule for F2 and i told em, anybody CAN have their engine inspected and scrutineered for eligibility and as any one will tell you it is at the owners expense. All i am saying is if you advertise a worked engine some one will ask a question.
Me and the rest of the ski race MUPPETS will look forward to seeing you on the start line in 2006!
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10-10-2005, 10:01 AM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
Posts: 15,959
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Re: Re: Re: Burtys engine build
Quote:
Originally posted by Bazza
Me and the rest of the ski race MUPPETS will look forward to seeing you on the start line in 2006!
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Burty, you've done it again fella!...there's a pattern forming here...open mouth, insert foot!
Bazza, you coming to the video night in January?
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10-10-2005, 12:06 PM
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#78
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: kent
Occupation: director
Interests: ski racing
Boat name: hotshot
Boat make: cyclone 21
Engines: mercury 280
Cruising area: global
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: kent
Posts: 419
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Video night
Yes! thank you Jon, please keep me posted as to time and place.
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10-10-2005, 01:48 PM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
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Barry, it's on the 7th Jan, in Cove (near Farnbourgh)
details Here
hope to see you there.
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