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30-10-2007, 01:44 PM
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numbskull
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PuppiesBalls
and we want to keep the space up the front for a cabin
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That'll be cozy!
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30-10-2007, 02:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PuppiesBalls
tabs would make you abit slower, but then again so would having an extra 100 kgs of water to push along,
also when your gona need to use them, im sure the small handycap of using them(the extra surface area of the tab slowing you down) would easily be overwhelmed by the improovement in the handling and ability to keep the boat going in the right direction,
anyway...we wanted to put tabs in because weve got a nice set of brand new heavy duty ones (14x28" long!) and we want to keep the space up the front for a cabin
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I am not sure you are going to be able to use tabs in that way on your P25.
The tabs I have are short and don’t come in contact with the water when running fast, I can only use my tabs when going slow to help keep the nose down.
It may be possible to fit larger tabs but the problem then is the tabs hitting the props because of their length.
Taz faced this problem on his P28. He had to compromise and change the long tabs for a shorter set.
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30-10-2007, 03:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PuppiesBalls
tabs would make you abit slower, but then again so would having an extra 100 kgs of water to push along,
also when your gona need to use them, im sure the small handycap of using them(the extra surface area of the tab slowing you down) would easily be overwhelmed by the improovement in the handling and ability to keep the boat going in the right direction,
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Abit slower, try about 20mph slower!!
I would definatly keep a bow tank as i used that all the time where as tabs were only really used to level boat up (as Jon described) or when cruising to make it a more comfortable ride.
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30-10-2007, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by PuppiesBalls
thats not what tabs are for Taz,
there there to keep the bow down in the chop, though they do allow lower planning speed,
Ask Burty, the would push the bow of his p20 right down,
Or look in the vid of warlord, you can see when it gets abit of air, the tabs are either down in the chop or up in the nice stuff,
just a alternative to a bowtank
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I know what trim tabs are for!
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30-10-2007, 11:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daren
I am not sure you are going to be able to use tabs in that way on your P25.
The tabs I have are short and don’t come in contact with the water when running fast, I can only use my tabs when going slow to help keep the nose down.
It may be possible to fit larger tabs but the problem then is the tabs hitting the props because of their length.
Taz faced this problem on his P28. He had to compromise and change the long tabs for a shorter set.
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Cheers for ya help mate,
just wondering, what centers are your engines mounted?
do the cowlings touch a full lock?
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31-10-2007, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
I wouldn't say that. A bow tank completely changes the CofG, and how easily the bow is deflected upwards when hitting steep lumps in the sea. Tabs won't stop that. And they only have any effect when they're touching da wasser.
A trolley jack?
Listing from prop torque, maybe. but if you're running in a beam wind (into which the boat WILL lean) tabs make easy work of leveling things up. especialy if you've got a long way to go on that heading. 20, 40, 60 miles is a long way to go fighting to keep your boat level, when a dab on a trim tab button will sort it.
Mind you, I'm a lazy driver.
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A hydraulic jack ofcoruse
Ypu might be a lazy driver, but i never go out when it windy
PB - those tabs are huge - It will never get on plane
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31-10-2007, 09:49 PM
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Lol...yep they are abit over sized- designed for 45ft+ boats
we brought them for the p20 aswel lol
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31-10-2007, 09:58 PM
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So wots goin on the back of this p25 PB? Are ya using the engine that's on the P20?
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31-10-2007, 10:08 PM
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The Doc
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he's got daddy to buy a pair of ...........................
i wouldnt spoil it for you Ross!
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31-10-2007, 10:09 PM
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ya mean those xs 200's from the states?
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31-10-2007, 10:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scottyboy
So wots goin on the back of this p25 PB? Are ya using the engine that's on the P20?
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Nope the captain wouldnt let me
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31-10-2007, 10:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt
ya mean those xs 200's from the states?
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Nob lol...
yep weve got a pair of shortshaft 2005 200xs's with 50 hours
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31-10-2007, 10:52 PM
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Very nice!
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31-10-2007, 11:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PuppiesBalls
Nope the captain wouldnt let me
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more fool you for listening!
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31-10-2007, 11:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Chaos
more fool you for listening!
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gentle reminder time captain
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05-11-2007, 01:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PuppiesBalls
Cheers for ya help mate,
just wondering, what centers are your engines mounted?
do the cowlings touch a full lock?
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23" c/c and the cowlings dont touch.
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05-11-2007, 06:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daren
23" c/c and the cowlings dont touch.
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Good answer!!!!!
that mean we may JUST squeez the tabs on!
please could you measure from the bottom of the side to the engine bracket(where the tabs go)
Cheers dude
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10-11-2007, 08:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PuppiesBalls
Good answer!!!!!
that mean we may JUST squeez the tabs on!
please could you measure from the bottom of the side to the engine bracket(where the tabs go)
Cheers dude
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41cm
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10-11-2007, 08:05 PM
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17" Wicked goooood answer! i like your style llol
Cheers mate
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