On the subject of p25, on Poole Quay I noticed Richard's dare I mention it 25 Chau.....n tied up. Richard used to be at the same boat yard as me, he had a ring 21 with a susuki 200, it went ok and he had loads a fun on it over the years, but he wanted something a bit bigger with a small cuddy, he kept on about various Extreme boat's TD had for sale think once or twice he may have come close to a deal, then he mentioned to me about a boat he had found out about, being as he described loosley based on a phantom built in Malta I thought he was joking, who would risk spending hard earned cash in Malta on an unknown product, but he said it was fast and had a cuddy just what he was after!!! Anyhow some years back he did have this 25' built for him I know TD has looked over it? having spoken to Richard a few times since, I know he now is fully aware of people's thought's and complete horror at these splash's, my point is I think this forum especially JF has done a great job of showing people the light, about copied boat's and I believe if Richard was looking for a new boat today in the light of what has been said on this forum and others I think he would of tried much harder to buy an Extreme or similar, therefor JF is doing what he intended to enlighten us all to splish......SPLASH......splosh.