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17-01-2007, 09:04 PM
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Registered User
Country: Spain
Location: Mallorca
Occupation: Retired
Interests: Boats, boats and boats
Boat name: Patriot and Forca
Boat make: Phantom 21. Falcon Bonito 36
Engines: 200hp Mariner. 2 x GM 6.5 Twin Turbo Diesels
Cruising area: The Med
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mallorca
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Change shaft or replace case
Mid arrived in Mallorca today, will collect it tomorrow. Looking at the manual, for changing the drive shaft. Not a simple job, specially without correct tools. Have been told it's a two hour job, by someone who knows what they're doing and with the right tools. The trouble is, over here anyone with more than a waiters degree costs a fortune.
Does anyone think I would be better off buying a new gear case, complete with drive shaft. Obviously one that is known etc.
Will check out prices for having the job done but any suggestions from you lads, would be appreciated.
Thanks again
Peter
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17-01-2007, 09:12 PM
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Location: Alderholt
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Boat name: T/T D2S
Boat make: Midas 27' Cat, Argo 16 Cat. Avon Rib Thingy
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Remove box, strip, swap ,shim, rebuild refit , thats a good two hours and more
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17-01-2007, 09:22 PM
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Registered User
Country: Spain
Location: Mallorca
Occupation: Retired
Interests: Boats, boats and boats
Boat name: Patriot and Forca
Boat make: Phantom 21. Falcon Bonito 36
Engines: 200hp Mariner. 2 x GM 6.5 Twin Turbo Diesels
Cruising area: The Med
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mallorca
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Appreciated. I'll be taking the box with shaft, removed from mid. What do you think is the better option. Peter
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17-01-2007, 10:09 PM
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Country: UK
Location: Weston Super Mare
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sell your box and buy a bullet box with a 20" shaft. Probably around £700 for a decent one
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18-01-2007, 10:01 AM
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Registered User
Country: Spain
Location: Mallorca
Occupation: Retired
Interests: Boats, boats and boats
Boat name: Patriot and Forca
Boat make: Phantom 21. Falcon Bonito 36
Engines: 200hp Mariner. 2 x GM 6.5 Twin Turbo Diesels
Cruising area: The Med
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mallorca
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Hi Burty,
What do you think mine is worth, standard 25" 20 hours from new. Also, do you know anyone who may have one of the others, that you mentioned.
Peter
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18-01-2007, 04:37 PM
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Country: UK
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No idea on the value of yours as 25" shaft, contact phantom evolution for a box as i know he has lots.
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20-01-2007, 05:37 PM
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Registered User
Country: Spain
Location: Mallorca
Occupation: Retired
Interests: Boats, boats and boats
Boat name: Patriot and Forca
Boat make: Phantom 21. Falcon Bonito 36
Engines: 200hp Mariner. 2 x GM 6.5 Twin Turbo Diesels
Cruising area: The Med
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mallorca
Posts: 716
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Hi All, Just when it looked like it was going good.
Took power head off today, stripped gearbox from mid and mid from saddle. Fitted 20" mid to saddle. Got all the exhaust box, mountings and exhaust plate fitted. Cut down water pipe and fitted to exhaust plate.
Looking at the height of the mid, when the gear case goes back on, the water intake holes will be above the bottom of the boat, will that be ok, will it get enough water to keep it cool?
I've got the 20" shaft, ready to have put into my gear case and can get the shift shaft cut and welded. Just concerned that when I have the 20" shaft, fitted to my gear case, it wont get enough cooling water. What do you thing.
Cheers
Peter
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20-01-2007, 06:32 PM
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Country: UK
Boat name: Johnny-Rude
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Engines: Seagull with hi five prop
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Is the saddle on the transom? Cannot see a problem, with a 20 inch shaft, but the Phantom guys will be able to confirm for definite.
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20-01-2007, 06:44 PM
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Registered User
Country: Spain
Location: Mallorca
Occupation: Retired
Interests: Boats, boats and boats
Boat name: Patriot and Forca
Boat make: Phantom 21. Falcon Bonito 36
Engines: 200hp Mariner. 2 x GM 6.5 Twin Turbo Diesels
Cruising area: The Med
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Location: Mallorca
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Hi Brian, Yes, saddle is on transom. Just taken a picture, what do you think.
Cheers
Peter
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20-01-2007, 07:18 PM
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Registered User
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Boat name: Johnny-Rude
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hi peter
if box is bolted up to midsection the bullet of the gearbox looks like it should level up to bottom of hull, cannot see a problem.
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20-01-2007, 07:29 PM
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Registered User
Country: Spain
Location: Mallorca
Occupation: Retired
Interests: Boats, boats and boats
Boat name: Patriot and Forca
Boat make: Phantom 21. Falcon Bonito 36
Engines: 200hp Mariner. 2 x GM 6.5 Twin Turbo Diesels
Cruising area: The Med
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mallorca
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Hi again Brian, Just measured it exactly. When bolted up, the point of the bullet will be 8cm / 3.1/8" below the hull. The lowest hole in the water intakes will be just above the bottom of the hull. Will that be ok????
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20-01-2007, 08:22 PM
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Country: UK
Boat name: Johnny-Rude
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It should be alright, test it and see, you say you cut the water pick up down so just be very carefull and make sure it pisses at tell tail at all speeds
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21-01-2007, 12:45 PM
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it will be fine, first time out keep an eye on water pressure
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21-01-2007, 06:35 PM
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Location: GOLDEN MILE
Boat name: LILY THE PINK AND TERMINATOR 11
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Peterjfinch looks like you missed a bargain, have a look at ebay item 110082106540, and its in Gibraltar.
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24-01-2007, 12:14 PM
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Registered User
Country: Spain
Location: Mallorca
Occupation: Retired
Interests: Boats, boats and boats
Boat name: Patriot and Forca
Boat make: Phantom 21. Falcon Bonito 36
Engines: 200hp Mariner. 2 x GM 6.5 Twin Turbo Diesels
Cruising area: The Med
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mallorca
Posts: 716
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Swivel bracket and steering ar
Hi all, Stripped steering arm off, to replace bushes, as it had movement. I've found the bushes to be ok but there is a problem with the bottom yoke. It doesn't appear to be worn, nor does the spline, in fact they both still have paint on them. The spindle also still has paint on it, apart from at the top, front and bottom, rear, I guess these are the main wearing points.
There is about 2mm up and down movement, without the mid bolted on, so I'm having a nylon spacer made for this. As far as the bottom yoke is concerned, I thought of using lock seal on it. Has anybody tried this or know a better way to tighten the fit?
Peter
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24-01-2007, 01:45 PM
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Registered User
Country: Spain
Location: Mallorca
Occupation: Retired
Interests: Boats, boats and boats
Boat name: Patriot and Forca
Boat make: Phantom 21. Falcon Bonito 36
Engines: 200hp Mariner. 2 x GM 6.5 Twin Turbo Diesels
Cruising area: The Med
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mallorca
Posts: 716
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24-01-2007, 01:46 PM
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Registered User
Country: Spain
Location: Mallorca
Occupation: Retired
Interests: Boats, boats and boats
Boat name: Patriot and Forca
Boat make: Phantom 21. Falcon Bonito 36
Engines: 200hp Mariner. 2 x GM 6.5 Twin Turbo Diesels
Cruising area: The Med
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mallorca
Posts: 716
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24-01-2007, 01:47 PM
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Registered User
Country: Spain
Location: Mallorca
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Interests: Boats, boats and boats
Boat name: Patriot and Forca
Boat make: Phantom 21. Falcon Bonito 36
Engines: 200hp Mariner. 2 x GM 6.5 Twin Turbo Diesels
Cruising area: The Med
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mallorca
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24-01-2007, 01:50 PM
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Registered User
Country: Spain
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Boat name: Patriot and Forca
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Cruising area: The Med
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24-01-2007, 03:43 PM
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Whats the problem with the bottom yoke??? how do you know the bushes are fine? if there is movement then they must be worn.
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