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04-02-2013, 07:17 PM
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Registered User
Country: Belgium
Location: near Ghent
Occupation: engineer
Interests: boating, wakeboarding, snowboarding, fitness
Boat name: Outlaw
Boat make: Phantom 21ft
Engines: Yamaha 200hp
Cruising area: Zele / Kanaal Gent-Terneuzen
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: near Ghent
Posts: 473
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cleaver on a phantom 21ft +200hp
Hi everyone !
I'd like your info on how a cleaver works on a Phantom 21 ft ?
I now use a 3 blade Mercury Marine Tempest Plus 14 1/2 x 25P
I want to try a 3 blade Mercury cleaver 14 x 26P
Happy with the Tempest, but curious about the cleaver.
Thanks !
T.
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04-02-2013, 11:32 PM
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Registered User
Country: Belgium
Location: near Ghent
Occupation: engineer
Interests: boating, wakeboarding, snowboarding, fitness
Boat name: Outlaw
Boat make: Phantom 21ft
Engines: Yamaha 200hp
Cruising area: Zele / Kanaal Gent-Terneuzen
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: near Ghent
Posts: 473
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-> http://boatmad.com/forum/showpost.ph...0&postcount=34
"absolutely no cleavers"
But Larby said in an answer to the post he had very good results in rough waters...
Please share your cleaver info. Thx !
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04-02-2013, 11:54 PM
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: salcombe
Occupation: semi retired
Interests: racing(middle east class 3 6l)
Boat name: still no worries
Boat make: phantom18
Engines: 2.5 efi
Cruising area: salcombe
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The clever will give you transom lift = good in the rough but no bow lift in the flat so slower
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05-02-2013, 08:58 AM
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topgun
Country: Guernsey
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Civil Servant/ Senior driving examiner
Interests: Boats/bikes/Black label
Boat name: Flash Back/Avenger/Anchor Management
Boat make: Sunseeker San Remo/mini cougar/Cougar cat 25/Avenger 21
Engines: San Remo 2x Volvo 5.7 v8/mini cougar Yamaha 25/Cougar 2x twin spark Yam V6/Avenger has volvo 300v8
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Tried a 14x26 cleaver on my P20, great pick up and kept the boat level (stern lift) only trouble was every time we landed off a wave the boat hooked badly. Best props found for the 2.5 200 was either Hoss or Spinelli 14x24 spoonbill.
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05-02-2013, 09:19 AM
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Senior Member
Country: UK
Location: Devon
Occupation: Garage Proprietor
Interests: PowerBoat Racing
Boat name: If Only
Boat make: Bernico F3 OCR, Bernico Prototype Inboard, and some Ribs
Engines: Yamaha Pro V 115
Cruising area: UK, France
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Devon
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I always dismissed cleaver's for all the above reasons !! However when we did 3b worlds last year in Norway I borrowed a 14 1/4 x 26 Winrace and was so impressed that I bought one.
Gave 2-3 mph increase really easy to drive and handled really well although knocked RPM and acceleration a bit !!
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05-02-2013, 09:20 AM
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: salcombe
Occupation: semi retired
Interests: racing(middle east class 3 6l)
Boat name: still no worries
Boat make: phantom18
Engines: 2.5 efi
Cruising area: salcombe
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: salcombe
Posts: 499
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Try a raker 24/26 loads of bow lift and fast, just need to rebush
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05-02-2013, 09:25 AM
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Senior Member
Country: UK
Location: Devon
Occupation: Garage Proprietor
Interests: PowerBoat Racing
Boat name: If Only
Boat make: Bernico F3 OCR, Bernico Prototype Inboard, and some Ribs
Engines: Yamaha Pro V 115
Cruising area: UK, France
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Devon
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Go and see Nico at Bernico he has loads of props. Possibly even a modified Raker that Derek mentioned !!
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05-02-2013, 02:32 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: GUERNSEY
Interests: BOATS / BIKES
Boat name: Here On Business
Boat make: phantom 21 / Bavaria 42
Engines: Mercury 225 Xs 3.0L / Vovo MD 22L
Cruising area: WATER
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: GUERNSEY
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I'm Running a 28 x14 1/2 cleaver on mine i think its great in all aspects, my tempest 25 is an accident waiting to happen.
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05-02-2013, 07:54 PM
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Registered User
Country: Ireland
Boat name: Lilly the Pink
Boat make: Phantom 21
Engines: XR2 200
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 82
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yam drag
I ran a 22 Yam drag on my p21 ,one of the best props I have ever tried, really nice in the rough water,check out
"nigel takes a bath" on youtube
I know not a good way to promote a prop! ,had a go pro on the back of the
p21 with the yam drag in messy confused swell racing against Hydrostream in gale force 8++.
Tried a few other props ,big ear chopper ,tempest,high five,trophy ,laser 2 ,renegade and a cleaver from a mate of mine,scary as said already ,boat tried to hook many times in the rough,just couldnt find the sweet spot with it .The yam drag gives a lovely balance ,the trophy was a nice prop in the rough as well very forgiving.
Hope it helps.
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06-02-2013, 03:27 PM
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Captain slow
Country: england
Location: surrey
Boat name: terminal velocity no.120
Boat make: phantom20
Engines: 2.5efi smillin jack
Cruising area: solent
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: surrey
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+1 Yam drag
I run a 24 yam drag on my p20.it's a good alrounder.
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09-02-2013, 06:28 PM
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Registered User
Country: Belgium
Location: near Ghent
Occupation: engineer
Interests: boating, wakeboarding, snowboarding, fitness
Boat name: Outlaw
Boat make: Phantom 21ft
Engines: Yamaha 200hp
Cruising area: Zele / Kanaal Gent-Terneuzen
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: near Ghent
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Thanks for the replies !! Different opinions, but in general a cleaver prop is worth a try, certainly in the rough. I usually only on flat waters, but I'll test anyhow.
I've experimented last year with engine height and ventplugs with my tempest plus. It seems that when the engine is too low it impacted the acceleration quite a bit !... when too high the prop grabbed air sometimes while cornering.... All logical, but I wonder if other props would perform better in this same 'higher' setup.
I think a cleaver could do better in these circumstances. I still need to be carefull though as I don't have a low water pick up.
Very curious to test this for the upcomming season
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10-02-2013, 02:40 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2011
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Anyone tried an E.T prop on a phantom?
Most boats seems to perform good with these style props.
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10-02-2013, 05:07 PM
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Registered User
Country: Ireland
Boat name: Lilly the Pink
Boat make: Phantom 21
Engines: XR2 200
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 82
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Et
Always wanted to try an ET ,heard they are excellent on phantoms ,similar to a yam drag
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10-02-2013, 05:35 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: london
Occupation: Powerboat Skipper
Interests: Boats , bikes!
Boat name: Renegade
Boat make: GPV-RENEGADE
Engines: 150 HO etec
Cruising area: Thames, south coast, anywhere!
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Location: london
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Toffy, mind if i ask what you are looking to achieve? you are trying all diffetent prop with diffetent handling characteristics.No 2 rigs are the same so what works for one may not work on another. just my 2p.
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10-02-2013, 06:01 PM
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Registered User
Country: Belgium
Location: near Ghent
Occupation: engineer
Interests: boating, wakeboarding, snowboarding, fitness
Boat name: Outlaw
Boat make: Phantom 21ft
Engines: Yamaha 200hp
Cruising area: Zele / Kanaal Gent-Terneuzen
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: near Ghent
Posts: 473
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@Renegade : just want to collect general info on how a cleaver works on a P21. Offcourse you need to test and try a prop, 'cause every rig is different. But I guess there should be kindoff a general idea on how cleavers work on P21's... There's no real goal, just the fun of testing and learning if this would work or not. This is the first prop besides my own, that I'm gonna test, so I'm curious.
@Mobil : I'd try a lighting ET (3blade) or PRO ET (4blade) anyday... but they cost 1500€ new. For now I'm not going to spend this money on a prop for hobby purposes...
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10-02-2013, 06:13 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: london
Occupation: Powerboat Skipper
Interests: Boats , bikes!
Boat name: Renegade
Boat make: GPV-RENEGADE
Engines: 150 HO etec
Cruising area: Thames, south coast, anywhere!
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: london
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Ok matey no worries, i assumed you were looking for something particular.
good luck.
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10-02-2013, 07:55 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2011
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Saw that your cruising area is zele, some people there run et props.
Offcourse it need to be the correct size and hub.
You can look @ ron hill proppellers, actually chad hill now. Ron retired but still active. Visited them past summer, they make all the props in house.
Also ET style props, but cheaper then mercury...
A perfect match of boat and prop can make some serious difference in performance and handling.
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10-02-2013, 09:06 PM
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Captain slow
Country: england
Location: surrey
Boat name: terminal velocity no.120
Boat make: phantom20
Engines: 2.5efi smillin jack
Cruising area: solent
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: surrey
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Just going off on a tangent here, I've been looking at the pro et.Four blades, ET lightning characteristics but with better rough water holding.has anyone tried one on a phantom?
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10-02-2013, 09:22 PM
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Senior Member
Country: UK
Location: Devon
Occupation: Garage Proprietor
Interests: PowerBoat Racing
Boat name: If Only
Boat make: Bernico F3 OCR, Bernico Prototype Inboard, and some Ribs
Engines: Yamaha Pro V 115
Cruising area: UK, France
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Devon
Posts: 3,095
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I ran a 4 blade 26 ET on my Bernico Mono speed record !! A truly amazing prop.
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10-02-2013, 11:16 PM
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Captain slow
Country: england
Location: surrey
Boat name: terminal velocity no.120
Boat make: phantom20
Engines: 2.5efi smillin jack
Cruising area: solent
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: surrey
Posts: 478
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Pro et
Bob, could I try it on my very slow p20.i need to get some sort of magic going coz Ross thinks he's got some sort of super/duppa powerhead turning up in the near future(I'm gonna whoop his ass so bad).would be good to see if that's the prop to do it with.but to buy one in cold blood seems extravagant
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