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Old 12-09-2011, 11:08 AM   #1
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Evinrude HO Saddle reinforcements...

I snapped my 200 HO saddle on both sides in Saturday's race, this is the 2nd one to go locally and I understand the Panther P1s have done them too?

What are my options for strengthening one? It was pretty hairy and don't really want it happening again!! It was only the bungie chord around the leg and the trim ram that stopped the powerhead from going under and possibly losing the whole thing... I've emailed Race Marine as I hear they've done them in the past, just wondering if anyone had any ideas?

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Old 12-09-2011, 11:40 AM   #2
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I dont think strengthening the saddle is the way to go, replace the two halfs with standard parts but then look into modifying the top engine mounts. I belive for racing the standard top mounts are not up to the job. With failed engine mounts the load on the saddle is tremendous hence why they are snapping.
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Old 12-09-2011, 11:46 AM   #3
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My top mounts have just been replaced, it was their first time out. The engine has only done 60 hours or so, but was raced hard by the old owner. Compared to merc saddles the 'rudes look pretty puny. I was going to look into solid mounts, and strengthen the saddle too. It's gonna have a hard life!
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Old 12-09-2011, 12:43 PM   #4
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Is there a solid mount made by anyone? ( aftermarket i assume)
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:13 PM   #5
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We raced with the 200 and the 250 HO, there are hours of work involved in strengthening not only the brackets but also the steering tube, the centre/ steering bracket.
We can carry out the work for you - as we made templates & paterns for all mods.
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:32 PM   #6
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Could you pm me more details please? Specifically the cost and whether you can source the required parts too?

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We could happily make solid mounts for Paul and anyone else...

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Had the go pro over the engine yesterday and the amount of movement on 250ho etec is amazing. I noticed all the new p1 have rear Latham steering too. Any real reason. Is there any disadvantage to solid mounts and did anyone come up with a price
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Had the go pro over the engine yesterday and the amount of movement on 250ho etec is amazing. I noticed all the new p1 have rear Latham steering too. Any real reason. Is there any disadvantage to solid mounts and did anyone come up with a price
im not sure the p1ss boats would be the ideal path to follow just yet,may need some more r and d yet
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Had the go pro over the engine yesterday and the amount of movement on 250ho etec is amazing. I noticed all the new p1 have rear Latham steering too. Any real reason. Is there any disadvantage to solid mounts and did anyone come up with a price
Solid mounts in high performance applications are the only way to go - regular mounts wear quickly when they're given a hard time and any movement results in less control over the boat. Hard mounts are firmer than new regular mounts which means better control from new.

There have been many discussions of the difference of Front to side mounted rams, I believe the argument is that side mounted rams give more support to the saddle?
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I understand the mounts on the P1 were changed after Cowes for a more solid mount. I believe this is the reason the saddles gave. We raced up to cowes with no issues. Looking at the footage both before and after there was excessive movement laterally.

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We could happily make solid mounts for Paul and anyone else...

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Did you end up making any solid mounts? if so how much and can i have a pic?
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Nah we didn't do solid in the end... I drove some aluminium flat bar into the voids of the rubber section that give the mount it's flexibility. They may as well be solid now as there's no way they can move, although the rubber should still take out some vibration at idle.
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got any pics of those mods ??? Much appreciated if you have
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Sorry no pics of afterwards, and it's all back together. If you're familiar with an Evinrude top mount it's all pretty self explanatory, I rounded the edges off some flat bar and hammered them into the arrowed voids

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