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06-12-2005, 10:44 AM
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Hertfordshire
Occupation: Airline Operations.
Interests: Rum. Pirates. And West Cornwall pasties.
Boat name: Any suggestions?
Boat make: Ring 18
Engines: Mercury 200 Black Max
Cruising area: The Bay of 'E'
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Hertfordshire
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New life for old gelcoat. Any suggestions?
Guys,
I'm looking at buying an older boat at the moment, but I ned a bit of advice:
The one I'm thinking about buying dates from 1992 or so, and it's still in its original white gelcoat. Now, this is obviously a bit 'yellowy' now with several seasons worth of UV hitting its deck.
Is there a good product out there to 'cut it back' with and restore the colour, or is a repaint the way to go? I've got an electric polisher, so I don't mind putting in the time myself, but if repainting is the answer does anyone know of a decent paint guy, and what's the likely cost of repainting the top deck of an 18 foot Phantom?
Cheers!
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06-12-2005, 01:29 PM
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Registered User
Country: United kingdom
Location: West Sussex
Occupation: Grease Monkey
Interests: Makin my boat faster!
Boat name: S.B Racing
Boat make: Ocke mannerfelt canopied B23 / Zapcat
Engines: Merc 200XS Gen 2 / Tohatsu 50
Cruising area: littlehampton/Southampton
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 2,656
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You can cut the surface off with a fine "wet n dry" sand paper and then polish it using a compound but how good it would look not sure! I think JF has done ice cream trucks white phantom on this site and posted pics! Looked really nice from memory??
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06-12-2005, 01:34 PM
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Le Cat
Country: France
Location: Paris
Occupation: Computer Sales
Boat name: Le Cat
Boat make: Argo Cat 18
Engines: Mercury 2.4EFI
Cruising area: Paris
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Paris
Posts: 753
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how about a good sanding & some awlgrip ?
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06-12-2005, 01:36 PM
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Registered User
Country: United kingdom
Location: West Sussex
Occupation: Grease Monkey
Interests: Makin my boat faster!
Boat name: S.B Racing
Boat make: Ocke mannerfelt canopied B23 / Zapcat
Engines: Merc 200XS Gen 2 / Tohatsu 50
Cruising area: littlehampton/Southampton
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 2,656
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Awlgrip??
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06-12-2005, 01:58 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: Thorpe Bay
Occupation: IT Director, www.lighthouseit.co.uk
Interests: Boats, Surfing & Snowboarding
Boat name: Isabella / Cool Runnings II / Bella / Sea Pup / Sea Dog / Speedy II / Bernico F3
Boat make: Colvic 35 Suncruiser / Bernico F3 / Phantom 16 / Zodiac 420 YL / RIB / Apollo 9
Engines: 2 x Perkins Sabre 225ti / Mercury Pro XS /Mercury Pro XS 115/ Tohatsu 2.5 / Mercury 25 / Mercury 50
Cruising area: Thames Estuary / River Crouch / Salcombe
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Thorpe Bay
Posts: 932
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Re: New life for old gelcoat. Any suggestions?
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Originally posted by Burnett
Guys,
I'm looking at buying an older boat at the moment, but I ned a bit of advice:
The one I'm thinking about buying dates from 1992 or so, and it's still in its original white gelcoat. Now, this is obviously a bit 'yellowy' now with several seasons worth of UV hitting its deck.
Is there a good product out there to 'cut it back' with and restore the colour, or is a repaint the way to go? I've got an electric polisher, so I don't mind putting in the time myself, but if repainting is the answer does anyone know of a decent paint guy, and what's the likely cost of repainting the top deck of an 18 foot Phantom?
Cheers!
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I brought some GRP yellow stain remover from these guys cant remeber the brand http://www.tcschandlery.co.uk leave it on for a hour then rub off and wax did the trick on my hull.
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06-12-2005, 02:23 PM
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: brighton
Occupation: CABINET MAKER
Interests: SPEED BOATS,MOTO G.P
Boat name: MOTIVATION
Boat make: MARSHAN 21
Engines: AINT GOT ONE!!
Cruising area: sea
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: brighton
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if it wants spraying let me know,im just about to do mine
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06-12-2005, 04:34 PM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
Posts: 15,959
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Re: New life for old gelcoat. Any suggestions?
Quote:
Originally posted by Burnett
Guys,
I'm looking at buying an older boat at the moment, but I ned a bit of advice:
The one I'm thinking about buying dates from 1992 or so, and it's still in its original white gelcoat. Now, this is obviously a bit 'yellowy' now with several seasons worth of UV hitting its deck.
Is there a good product out there to 'cut it back' with and restore the colour, or is a repaint the way to go? I've got an electric polisher, so I don't mind putting in the time myself, but if repainting is the answer does anyone know of a decent paint guy, and what's the likely cost of repainting the top deck of an 18 foot Phantom?
Cheers!
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what make is it?
You need to be carefull blocking back, as some manufacturers, including phantom, used the absolute minimum of gel, so there isn't always that much material there to go flying at it with abrasives, plus of course, you never know if someone else has already had a go in previous years, reducing the thickness before you get to it.
If the boat looks original, 1200 wet or dry paper, and soapy water, then either a mechanical mop/compound, or feckin loads of hard work, then 'T'-cut, will get your boat lookin lovely again.
A word of warning tho', if you're not familiar with the process, you could very easily 'go through' in places, especially on sharp corners, and that doesn't look nice.
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06-12-2005, 04:37 PM
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Le Cat
Country: France
Location: Paris
Occupation: Computer Sales
Boat name: Le Cat
Boat make: Argo Cat 18
Engines: Mercury 2.4EFI
Cruising area: Paris
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Paris
Posts: 753
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Awlgrip is a tough Polyester Urethane paint used alot in the US.
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06-12-2005, 04:41 PM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
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A lot of Sunseekers are now done in it from new, as it doesn't degrade in UV as quick as gelcoat.
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06-12-2005, 07:41 PM
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Birmingham
Occupation: Scratching
Interests: Big Dinners
Boat name: Never Enough
Boat make: Seaquel 600xs
Engines: 225hp Merc ProMax
Cruising area: Anywhere! I prefer Weymouth
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 3,232
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Take it to Gav's
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06-12-2005, 07:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by MrRob
Take it to Gav's
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no dont take it to gavs, gavs got enough to do!
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06-12-2005, 07:50 PM
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Birmingham
Occupation: Scratching
Interests: Big Dinners
Boat name: Never Enough
Boat make: Seaquel 600xs
Engines: 225hp Merc ProMax
Cruising area: Anywhere! I prefer Weymouth
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 3,232
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Quote:
Originally posted by Gav
no dont take it to gavs, gavs got enough to do!
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Like fitting a petrol tank in a 600xs if the tank ever arrives!!!
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I got jumper cables!
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06-12-2005, 10:45 PM
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Hertfordshire
Occupation: Airline Operations.
Interests: Rum. Pirates. And West Cornwall pasties.
Boat name: Any suggestions?
Boat make: Ring 18
Engines: Mercury 200 Black Max
Cruising area: The Bay of 'E'
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 369
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H ha! I wouldn't plague Gav with it! I'll need a new cowl for the XR2 from him if I get it anyway.
It's a Phantom, and totally original right down to the graphics. I think i'd use an electric polisher and T-Cut or similar. If it still looks like Shane McGowan's teeth after that then I'll just get the top deck resprayed white again.
Anyone know a good source of Phantom parts? I'll need a new flyscreen (Or whatever the bit above the instruments is called) as the original perspex job has a few cracks, plus a set of the rubber shrouds in the splashwell where the steering cables come out of the hull. May well replace the cable too as it looks pretty old (Although in reasonable nick, apart from the eyes on the end which look as rusty as something off the Titanic. All easily fixable though.
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06-12-2005, 10:50 PM
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Registered User
Country: england
Location: the grim north
Occupation: robot
Cruising area: tyne
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i,d use something like farecla g3 compound. i,ve been told that t cut contains chemical that are'nt that good for grp
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06-12-2005, 11:00 PM
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Hertfordshire
Occupation: Airline Operations.
Interests: Rum. Pirates. And West Cornwall pasties.
Boat name: Any suggestions?
Boat make: Ring 18
Engines: Mercury 200 Black Max
Cruising area: The Bay of 'E'
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Hertfordshire
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Thanks! I'll bear that in mind. I just meant 'T-Cut' in a generic sense there rather than as an actual product. I was planning on stopping off at a big caravan dealer near me and asking the guys there what they use on tired fibreglass.
Although personally I've always thought that the best thing to use on an old caravan is a flamethrower
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06-12-2005, 11:15 PM
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Top tip as relayed to me by the world renowned "Jonny the Wax".
On heavily oxidised gel, don't waste time with cutting compound. Break out the 1200 or 2000 3M wet & dry (and the 3M bit is important, cos they make good quality stuff and it does make a difference) and rub it down to get into good gel. Then break out the compound and mop.
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07-12-2005, 09:17 AM
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Registered User
Location: GOLDEN MILE
Boat name: LILY THE PINK AND TERMINATOR 11
Boat make: PHANTOM 21 AND 20
Engines: 2.5 EFI X 2
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Clive jones will make you a new screen at www.phantomuk.co.uk
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07-12-2005, 10:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Burnett
plus a set of the rubber shrouds in the splashwell where the steering cables come out
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Witches tits dude
any boat shop will have them
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07-12-2005, 10:25 AM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
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Location: South
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I always thought a 'Witches tit' (as flat as) is a calm sea. A Witches hat is what Burnett needs
froidian slip I reckon
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07-12-2005, 02:19 PM
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Hertfordshire
Occupation: Airline Operations.
Interests: Rum. Pirates. And West Cornwall pasties.
Boat name: Any suggestions?
Boat make: Ring 18
Engines: Mercury 200 Black Max
Cruising area: The Bay of 'E'
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 369
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Behave! Witch's hat sounds more like it.
Burty just wants me to walk into a chandlers and ask for a 'Witch's Tit' - and some tartan paint for the hull!
We did the same thing to a kid on a school trip to France who wanted toothpaste 'Yeah, go in the chemist and ask for a 'preservatif' Toothpaste, see? it 'preserves the teef'
Cheers for all the advice dudes. Much appreciated.
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