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Old 06-12-2005, 10:44 AM   #1
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New life for old gelcoat. Any suggestions?

Guys,

I'm looking at buying an older boat at the moment, but I ned a bit of advice:

The one I'm thinking about buying dates from 1992 or so, and it's still in its original white gelcoat. Now, this is obviously a bit 'yellowy' now with several seasons worth of UV hitting its deck.

Is there a good product out there to 'cut it back' with and restore the colour, or is a repaint the way to go? I've got an electric polisher, so I don't mind putting in the time myself, but if repainting is the answer does anyone know of a decent paint guy, and what's the likely cost of repainting the top deck of an 18 foot Phantom?

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Old 06-12-2005, 01:29 PM   #2
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You can cut the surface off with a fine "wet n dry" sand paper and then polish it using a compound but how good it would look not sure! I think JF has done ice cream trucks white phantom on this site and posted pics! Looked really nice from memory??
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Old 06-12-2005, 01:34 PM   #3
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how about a good sanding & some awlgrip ?
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Re: New life for old gelcoat. Any suggestions?

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Guys,

I'm looking at buying an older boat at the moment, but I ned a bit of advice:

The one I'm thinking about buying dates from 1992 or so, and it's still in its original white gelcoat. Now, this is obviously a bit 'yellowy' now with several seasons worth of UV hitting its deck.

Is there a good product out there to 'cut it back' with and restore the colour, or is a repaint the way to go? I've got an electric polisher, so I don't mind putting in the time myself, but if repainting is the answer does anyone know of a decent paint guy, and what's the likely cost of repainting the top deck of an 18 foot Phantom?

Cheers!
I brought some GRP yellow stain remover from these guys cant remeber the brand http://www.tcschandlery.co.uk leave it on for a hour then rub off and wax did the trick on my hull.
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Re: New life for old gelcoat. Any suggestions?

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Guys,

I'm looking at buying an older boat at the moment, but I ned a bit of advice:

The one I'm thinking about buying dates from 1992 or so, and it's still in its original white gelcoat. Now, this is obviously a bit 'yellowy' now with several seasons worth of UV hitting its deck.

Is there a good product out there to 'cut it back' with and restore the colour, or is a repaint the way to go? I've got an electric polisher, so I don't mind putting in the time myself, but if repainting is the answer does anyone know of a decent paint guy, and what's the likely cost of repainting the top deck of an 18 foot Phantom?

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what make is it?

You need to be carefull blocking back, as some manufacturers, including phantom, used the absolute minimum of gel, so there isn't always that much material there to go flying at it with abrasives, plus of course, you never know if someone else has already had a go in previous years, reducing the thickness before you get to it.

If the boat looks original, 1200 wet or dry paper, and soapy water, then either a mechanical mop/compound, or feckin loads of hard work, then 'T'-cut, will get your boat lookin lovely again.

A word of warning tho', if you're not familiar with the process, you could very easily 'go through' in places, especially on sharp corners, and that doesn't look nice.
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Awlgrip is a tough Polyester Urethane paint used alot in the US.
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A lot of Sunseekers are now done in it from new, as it doesn't degrade in UV as quick as gelcoat.
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Old 06-12-2005, 10:45 PM   #13
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H ha! I wouldn't plague Gav with it! I'll need a new cowl for the XR2 from him if I get it anyway.

It's a Phantom, and totally original right down to the graphics. I think i'd use an electric polisher and T-Cut or similar. If it still looks like Shane McGowan's teeth after that then I'll just get the top deck resprayed white again.

Anyone know a good source of Phantom parts? I'll need a new flyscreen (Or whatever the bit above the instruments is called) as the original perspex job has a few cracks, plus a set of the rubber shrouds in the splashwell where the steering cables come out of the hull. May well replace the cable too as it looks pretty old (Although in reasonable nick, apart from the eyes on the end which look as rusty as something off the Titanic. All easily fixable though.
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i,d use something like farecla g3 compound. i,ve been told that t cut contains chemical that are'nt that good for grp
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Thanks! I'll bear that in mind. I just meant 'T-Cut' in a generic sense there rather than as an actual product. I was planning on stopping off at a big caravan dealer near me and asking the guys there what they use on tired fibreglass.

Although personally I've always thought that the best thing to use on an old caravan is a flamethrower
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Top tip as relayed to me by the world renowned "Jonny the Wax".
On heavily oxidised gel, don't waste time with cutting compound. Break out the 1200 or 2000 3M wet & dry (and the 3M bit is important, cos they make good quality stuff and it does make a difference) and rub it down to get into good gel. Then break out the compound and mop.
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plus a set of the rubber shrouds in the splashwell where the steering cables come out

Witches tits dude
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I always thought a 'Witches tit' (as flat as) is a calm sea. A Witches hat is what Burnett needs


froidian slip I reckon
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Old 07-12-2005, 02:19 PM   #20
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Behave! Witch's hat sounds more like it.

Burty just wants me to walk into a chandlers and ask for a 'Witch's Tit' - and some tartan paint for the hull!

We did the same thing to a kid on a school trip to France who wanted toothpaste 'Yeah, go in the chemist and ask for a 'preservatif' Toothpaste, see? it 'preserves the teef'


Cheers for all the advice dudes. Much appreciated.
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