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Oil pump removal

Hi, I believe that it would be safer for me to remove the automatic oil injection pump, from my 200hp (2003) Mariner engine, adding oil to the fuel direct. I've been told there is a kit for doing this, does anyone know where I can buy this kit.

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Hi, I believe that it would be safer for me to remove the automatic oil injection pump, from my 200hp (2003) Mariner engine, adding oil to the fuel direct. I've been told there is a kit for doing this, does anyone know where I can buy this kit.

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Thanks. Am I right, believing this to be the best option. I have heard of an "Electronic oil injection kit", what would be better?

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Hi, I believe that it would be safer for me to remove the automatic oil injection pump, from my 200hp (2003) Mariner engine, adding oil to the fuel direct. I've been told there is a kit for doing this, does anyone know where I can buy this kit.

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you can do mate but to be honest your not going to reach the revs where it fails(around 7000) so i wouldn't bother personally,
but if you want to be on the safe side then yes yu can remove it, all you need to do is plug the oil holes in the canister with grub screws and buy or make a blanking plate where the oil pump was.
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you can do mate but to be honest your not going to reach the revs where it fails(around 7000) so i wouldn't bother personally,
but if you want to be on the safe side then yes yu can remove it, all you need to do is plug the oil holes in the canister with grub screws and buy or make a blanking plate where the oil pump was.

How do you know he wont hit 7000? He might try a 20p/21p prop?
Anyway I heard anything over 6000rpm on a regular basis should have the oil system removed. You cant just make a blanking plate either as you can see from the pic on the prick racers site.

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Old 08-03-2007, 10:47 PM   #10
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Thanks. I have heard, over here, that even engines used for pleasure have blown the drive and burnt pistons. What's your opinion on the electric unit.

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How do you know he wont hit 7000? He might try a 20p/21p prop?
Anyway I heard anything over 6000rpm on a regular basis should have the oil system removed. You cant just make a blanking plate either as you can see from the pic on the prick racers site.

I cant believe those ass wipes got you your jack plate! I HATE THEM I HATE THEM!
rob...it has a limiter of either 5600 or 6000...thats how i kno he wont hit 7k lol
and yes you can just make a blanking plate, see simon motorsports page
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The mercury oil injection system is a popular item to remove, especially given its reputation for failure, and inability to deliver reliably after 6500 rpm.

Remove oil resevoir, oil pump, mag pickup, pump drive shaft, then install plug in shaft hole. Remove oil hose off bottom of vapor seperator, plug hose, remove fitting on starboard side of the block where oil tank pressure hose is coming from, plug hole with pipe fitting either 1/8 or 1/4., Remove oil alarm box, and i think that's all. the plug for the pump shaft hole you will have to get from dealer.

Mercury part number for the plastic block off plate is 43453 and the O-ring for that kit is 32509. Jay Smith Racing Engines also has a billet kit for doing this.

Finally it is recommended by several sources, that you keep the old oil pump gear on the crankshaft, as it provides crankcase volume, and if removed will cause that cylinder to be lean.
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Thanks. I have heard, over here, that even engines used for pleasure have blown the drive and burnt pistons. What's your opinion on the electric unit.

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what electrical unit? if your talking about the oil pump, then it runs off the crankshaft,
if you mean the canister then....its o.k, it works! i removed it on our engine and replaced it with a fuel reg and a pump, simple really, to be honest i wouldn't bother mate, if your really worried then just block off the oil pipes, remove pump, block the hole left in the case and pre mix.

i cant see that not having oil would burn the pistons though? if you dont have oil the engine will just 'age' extremely quickly, to the point it fails.
now if it was running lean then yes you could burn the pistons.
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Mercury part number for the plastic block off plate is 43453 and the O-ring for that kit is 32509. Jay Smith Racing Engines also has a billet kit for doing this.

Finally it is recommended by several sources, that you keep the old oil pump gear on the crankshaft, as it provides crankcase volume, and if removed will cause that cylinder to be lean.
Rob the correct block off plate has a plastic bit that goes in place of the worm gear so you dont loose the volume in that cylinder, so that cylinder doesn't run lean.this is what i did on our engine, but it required some modification to fit in properly.
the blocking off plate that simon supplies does not extend into the case of the engine so yes that cylinder will run slightly leaner due to it having a higher volume, and lower pressure, so when the upwards stroke of the piston draws air and fuel through the reeds the lower pressure means less fuel is sucked through.
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Hi all,

Thanks for all the advice. I want to do it as correct as possible. The electric injection I was talking about is this

http://www.marinesolutionswi.com/

Who supplies the kit to do it properly, without the "lean" issues you mention.

Sorry to sound dumb but as a car mechanic for many years, I'm a great believer of, "if you don't know, ask, or pay the price to put it right". I know nothing about two strokes or outboards and am not ashamed to admit it.

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The long plastic plug for a 2.5 is designed to also hold a bearing or something similar in place to stop it from falling into the crank case so if you simply just plank the hole off then this bearing would drop into the crack case. thats why its a plastic plate with a long shaft on it.
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Hi All,

Any ideas where I can get hold of this kit. Did PM Steve and he did reply but has not replied to last two PM's.

The following might make someone happy, or not: "This Account Has Been Suspended. Please contact the billing@RapidVPS.com as soon as possible. With your cooperation we can solve this problem very quickly for you and have your website back online."

That's what you get, if you try to log onto RickRacers web site.

Would like to find this kit, if anyone knows.

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Any ideas where I can get hold of this kit. Did PM Steve and he did reply but has not replied to last two PM's.

The following might make someone happy, or not: "This Account Has Been Suspended. Please contact the billing@RapidVPS.com as soon as possible. With your cooperation we can solve this problem very quickly for you and have your website back online."

That's what you get, if you try to log onto RickRacers web site.

Would like to find this kit, if anyone knows.

Thanks

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I think Steve is having a couple of weeks off and with any luck rickracers are taking the rest of their lives off! Looks like they havent paid their ISP, what a shame, I guess I can kiss my gauges good bye for sure!
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:28 AM   #19
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Hi Mr Rob,

What can I say? I have noticed your gauges mentioned and I for one believe there should be better control over internet ordering. Did you pay by credit card, if so, you may have some luck with your card issuer?

Hope it gets resolved, in your favour. All the best.

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