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Old 05-09-2011, 01:16 AM   #1
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P1-28SS PANTHER Suspention seat

Hi just wondering how well the P1-28SS Panther suspentions seats work compared to the fixed seats in this size boat. I realise they will not be as good as some of the up market ones but do they make a diffrence, would anyone recomend or use this type of setup in another boat or are thay a waist of time.

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I'm planning to fit a setup in the revenger with about 4" of travel. It won't take out every lump, but something to take out those proper 'spine tingling' landings would be great!!
I'd say anything would be better than nothing, so long as it works correctly of course!

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Suspension seats make me think of being "double bounced" on a trampoline!
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:30 AM   #4
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I'm planning to fit a setup in the revenger with about 4" of travel. It won't take out every lump, but something to take out those proper 'spine tingling' landings would be great!!
I'd say anything would be better than nothing, so long as it works correctly of course!

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Was asking because I am thinking about making my own with a similar system with pivot at the front and shockabsorber at the back. I have some 2" titainium tube for the frame, 1" bar for the pivots and some 3mm plate for all the brackets, and a tig welder.

The Panther system uses Fox push bike shock. Found these on shocks on ebay ebay 170534444121 and think they will work OK. Whole setup should be less than a few Kg but be enough to protect you back
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Yep, pretty much the samer as my idea, only I'm planning on using ally and CNC cutting it all. I'm designing mine so the seat can move straight up and down, as I can imagine having it pivot at the front may cause a strange 'tipping back' movement that would feel odd and also possibly cause your throttle foot to move position.

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Suspension seats make me think of being "double bounced" on a trampoline!
Thats my thoughts on them exactly!!!
Also I think some of the larger ones might work well, but ones with shorter travel could catch you off guard on bottoming out, if you know what I mean.
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Thats my thoughts on them exactly!!!
Also I think some of the larger ones might work well, but ones with shorter travel could catch you off guard on bottoming out, if you know what I mean.
I am sure you are both right that a proper linear system is by far the best, I have seen JF’s video of Swipes and its just like he is floating on air as the boat jumps up and down. But there are a few down sides for small boats like James and mine. I suspect a full linear system is £1000 plus each, probably add 10-15 Kg each and add 10 to 12 inches in height.

But on a small lightweight boat when you have gone to a lot of trouble to keep weight down and the seat is 3-4 inches of the deck full suspension is not really and option, hence probably why Panther have gone for the system they use.

I don’t know if they are still doing it but at one point on the back of F1 cars they had a Honeycombed carbon box on the end of the gear box at the rear and it was designed to absorb impact. If you went arse end into a wall at 180mph that 6 inches and the impact it absorbed was the difference between life and death.

I suspect even if not a linear system your spine and kidneys are at the furthest point from the pivot on the Panther system and although the seat may tilt back it may make the difference between getting out crippled and not on a rough day.

For my boat my I was going to bend a 2” Ti horizontal hoop but move the pivot another 4-6 inch forward with brackets straight to the floor at the front, a vertical hoop at the rear to connect to the top of the shock welded to the horizontal hoop at the rear, then bracket and plate to mount the bottom of the shock to the raised floor centre cross member of the Cougar. This would weight only a few Kg per seat and cost a few hundred in materials.

On thing that I have changed my mind on since first posting this thread is that it needs to be a a fully adjustable shock that can be tuned and set up for the my weight and sea conditions to work well.

The reason I started the thread was asking if anyone with this system in the P1 Panther what they thought of it before going further, because they may say its makes a difference but they may say we are doing away with it its crap in which case I wont bother.

Any one with a Panther P1, Comments please.
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The seats do work in the P1 in all but the heaviest of impacts - I learned that in Cowes last week - if the damper is set up for your weight most of the impact shock is removed. It could be improved I guess with a pair of dampers on a softer setting. After years of the Honda 150 and the 225 it makes sense.

The only drawback I see is the raised seat height for the sub frame underneath the seat.

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The seats do work in the P1 in all but the heaviest of impacts - I learned that in Cowes last week - if the damper is set up for your weight most of the impact shock is removed. It could be improved I guess with a pair of dampers on a softer setting. After years of the Honda 150 and the 225 it makes sense.

The only drawback I see is the raised seat height for the sub frame underneath the seat.

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Hi Tony and many thanks for that, it is exactly the imformation and feedback that I wanted. From what you are saying I think a bit of tinkering with shock type and setting could improve the system. May be a progerssive bump stop as well. Just out of Curiosity would you know the pound or Kg rating of the spring it may just be a Fox part number on the spring and what do you weigh, it would give me a guid in my design.

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Thats excellent, thanks Tony
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You can see here just how much travel we have on the Swipewipes boat, I've slowed the video down on one hard impact, so happy I got them

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now this is what i call a seat......


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Holy cow! One of my main considerations for the seats in the revenger is that I don't want any travel causing movement in my throttle foot. I didn't worry about the whole dash coming with me though!!

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Can I buy them somewhere or do I have to make my own?

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Can I buy them somewhere or do I have to make my own?

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You could possibly buy them from Fountain, although they are pretty simple to make. Next time I see one I'll do a drawing, and take a few measurements!
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