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Old 24-11-2005, 11:06 PM   #21
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I think, like it says somewhere in that S & F thread, the amout of load the flywheel puts on the motor is nowt compared to that of the prop, and probably such a small force in the scheme of things that it's virtualy imeasurable.

load on the top bearing generally, and the gyroscopic loads, mean it has to be better to be light, and as you've already said, reduced rotating mass must help with transmission life when there's enough 'chop' to have the motor regulary 'barking', under full power.
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Old 24-11-2005, 11:53 PM   #22
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lightenend wheel accelerates slightly faster, nothing on the top end. Easier on the bearings, especially over 7500 rpms. No disrespect to Jay, he is an outboard guru and a great guy, but he also sells some of the nicest lightened flywheels on the market... probably going to get a glowing report from him about their benefit.

There is also some speculation about the lightened being not quite as fast top end due to the inertial effect of the slightly heavier wheel spinning... I am not smart enough to know the difference but just thought I would throw it out there as long as everyone is on the subject.

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So what would you recon would be the efect? in % increase? Worth the money spent?
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%increase in speed likely to be 0
%increase in coolness - massive
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Old 25-11-2005, 03:28 AM   #25
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So what would you recon would be the efect? in % increase? Worth the money spent?
if you are drag racing and need every tenth of a second, then it is probably worth it. If you are turning your motor over 7500 rpms for any length of time, then it is probably a good idea to save wear and tear on the bearings. If you are making a really cool looking motor and have lots of cash, then it makes for good bling bling. Otherwise, IMHO, the stock hi-po flywhell is ok the way it is.
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Old 25-11-2005, 03:47 AM   #26
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Well at £800 a set, I think I will pass that then.

I currently rev at 5200 - promices 6400. So i wil not need the flywheel lightened...
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Old 25-11-2005, 08:27 AM   #27
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Thumbs down 260+Drag same Block

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The 280 is a 2.5l engine, as is the 260 and 300 drag.
The 280 makes 280hp, 260 makes 260hp and the 300 drag makes over 300hp
These are all 2.5 ltr engines, the 260+drag have the same/similar block but the 280 block is completely different .
JBD two reply's from you and not one comment about this!!!!
Your slipping!

The 280 and the Drag are based on the same block not the 260 and the Drag.
The Drag Motor is the same block as the 280 with different port heights and slightly bigger exhaust chest.
It does however run the 260 electronics with it own ECU.

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Re: 260+Drag same Block

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JBD two reply's from you and not one comment about this!!!!
Your slipping!
oh yeah, my brain was in flywheel mode
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I think, like it says somewhere in that S & F thread, the amout of load the flywheel puts on the motor is nowt compared to that of the prop, and probably such a small force in the scheme of things that it's virtualy imeasurable.

load on the top bearing generally, and the gyroscopic loads, mean it has to be better to be light, and as you've already said, reduced rotating mass must help with transmission life when there's enough 'chop' to have the motor regulary 'barking', under full power.
So the flywheel is there purely to make the idle smoother?
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It supposedly provides more power in electrical terms? What is up with that?
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flywheel

I know this has nothing to do with a boat, but a friend of me is doing kart racing ,and he has different flywheels ,different in weight,he says : when I have a long piece in the track that ends in a long corner and its windy than I experiment with a heavier wheel,because the energy in the heavier wheel will help me sometimes to go a bit faster into the wind and helped me to make a better time.
The earlier 300 drags were based on the 260 EFI block.
Later they used the newer block with the o rings in the heads.
Mercury says the newer style electronics PCM 555 are not keep up to more than 9000 rpm,s because the ignition charge is slower than Capacitor discharge.(earlier system)

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Old 14-01-2006, 01:51 AM   #33
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The advantage of lighter flywheel on Mercury engines are two fold. Ours , ( the lightest non exotic metal one on the market ) helps the inferior Mercury upper bearings , also a flywheel flexes backward under accelleration and forward on decelleration. The top bearing on the new and old style block sucks and the first point of real containment is above the first middle main bearing and above that is were EVERY Mercury crank breaks. You want to lessen the rotating mass to prevent the heavier stock flywheel from flexing MORE and also reduce weight to help acceleration , I cut a Mercury High Performance aluminum flywheel from 7.9 lbs to 4.9 for F1 and Drag racing and turn them 11, 300 rpms with no problems!

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