Steering? - Page 2

Andy Edwards · 22-09-2008, 09:52 PM

came from dodgy sorce ask td

Pash 1 · 22-09-2008, 09:55 PM

Unbeliever

be a good Catholic boy like me........ go to confession - all forgiven

Burty · 22-09-2008, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by larby

I guess at the end of the day, the tiller arm with it's 8mm bolt is what mercury designed the motor to be steered with, so it must be ok if looked after!

not really cus the 8mm bolt is fine in ride glide applications cus even Geoff Capes hasn't got enough arm strength to over stress it but as soon as you fit hydraulic my 5 year old can stress it far beyond its design strength.

larby · 23-09-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Pash 1

James,
Tony told me that the seastar pro was the one to get and as he says change the bolt!

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Originally Posted by larby

To be honest, i figure that if people like TD and cookee recommend seastar then it's probably the one to go with, just thought i'd see what people had to say.
James

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Originally Posted by Tony Davis

Ere, hang on a mo, I have never reccommended Sea Star steering to any one, ever. I've sold systems to loads of people, but then I've also sold Imco as well (more of that infact)

Pash had asked me about hydraulic steering, and I told him about a s/h set that I'd recently removed from a boat, I didn't reccommend it, but I did say that for his current set up it would be fine!!!!

Assuming the owner want's to sell it.

Sorry TD, didn't mean to cause any offence here, just read more into a comment than i should've i guess, apologies

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Originally Posted by Andy Edwards

came from dodgy sorce ask td

What's that all about??

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Originally Posted by Burty

not really cus the 8mm bolt is fine in ride glide applications cus even Geoff Capes hasn't got enough arm strength to over stress it but as soon as you fit hydraulic my 5 year old can stress it far beyond its design strength.

Ok, so now i've gone in a complete circle... looks like seastar might not be the system for me.
Going back to where we started then, without me having a massive budget, what system should i be looking to use?

Cheers, James

Cookee · 23-09-2008, 08:26 AM

It is certainly fair to say that our race boat will take a bit of a pounding and we've broken a fair bit of kit, in 8 years the only thing we replaced was a ram, and that was down to wear, and we had to rebuild the pump because of a weeping seal, otherwise we have never had a problem with the Seastar Pro setup - oh yeah got a couple of speed records at over 90mph as well! :-)

Cyco · 23-09-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Burty

not really cus the 8mm bolt is fine in ride glide applications cus even Geoff Capes hasn't got enough arm strength to over stress it but as soon as you fit hydraulic my 5 year old can stress it far beyond its design strength.

Does anyone know the Tensile and shear strength of both the up-rated 9/16" bolt from the Sea star pro vr's the 16mm bolt used in the side mount systems???

Burty · 23-09-2008, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by larby

Ok, so now i've gone in a complete circle... looks like seastar might not be the system for me.
Going back to where we started then, without me having a massive budget, what system should i be looking to use?

Cheers, James

If you can afford it and need hydraulic then go side ram, however there is nothing wrong with sea star pro just check for play in the ram and change the bolt regulary.

larby · 23-09-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cookee

It is certainly fair to say that our race boat will take a bit of a pounding and we've broken a fair bit of kit, in 8 years the only thing we replaced was a ram, and that was down to wear, and we had to rebuild the pump because of a weeping seal, otherwise we have never had a problem with the Seastar Pro setup - oh yeah got a couple of speed records at over 90mph as well! :-)

So would you suggest that this system would be adequate for me then? Bearing in mind that the engine is heavier and more powerful, though i doubt it's stressed as much as yours!

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Originally Posted by Cyco

Does anyone know the Tensile and shear strength of both the up-rated 9/16" bolt from the Sea star pro vr's the 16mm bolt used in the side mount systems???

Now we're talking...

Burty · 23-09-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyco

Does anyone know the Tensile and shear strength of both the up-rated 9/16" bolt from the Sea star pro vr's the 16mm bolt used in the side mount systems???

I don't do you??

If not i bet i know a dude who probably would.

larby · 23-09-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Burty

If you can afford it and need hydraulic then go side ram, however there is nothing wrong with sea star pro just check for play in the ram and change the bolt regulary.

I may know of somewhere where i can get a twin side ram setup at a decent price... Will have to look into that!

It's still proving very interesting to hear various peoples opinions on this subject tho!

James

Burty · 23-09-2008, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by larby

I may know of somewhere where i can get a twin side ram setup at a decent price... Will have to look into that!

It's still proving very interesting to hear various peoples opinions on this subject tho!

James

I've never seen twin side ram on a single engine application

Cookee · 23-09-2008, 08:52 AM

[QUOTE=larby;141523]So would you suggest that this system would be adequate for me then? Bearing in mind that the engine is heavier and more powerful, though i doubt it's stressed as much as yours!

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Like TD I am not recommending anything, but if I had a boat like yours I would be happy fitting it - the downside to side mount systems is that over a long period of time it wears the saddle on one side only where the torque is pushing against the ram unevenly, but that would presumably be over a large number of high stress hours, again it shouldn't be a problem for you!

The side mount stuff will need a wing plate for your motor and the Seastar will need the correct parts for that one, so second hand stuff needs to have come from the same setup ideally.

Before the Class III and Rib racing I navigated in an OCR Phantom with an XR2 on the back at over 75mph regularly, so I reckon that's about 12 years with Seastar without a failure, but it doesn't make it bulletproof!

Tony Davis · 23-09-2008, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy Edwards

came from dodgy sorce ask td

Chaos has got that set, The one I'm on about is from a Bladerunner that upgraded to a ''tournament'' ram.

larby · 23-09-2008, 09:17 AM

Wow, my head's spinning!
The twin ram setup is currently on the back of guernsey skater, and was used for a single engine. I'll have a look at it today and try to persuade the guy to sell it to me!

If not i'm back to square one by the sound of it, doubt there'll be a seastar system designed for a promax 300 for sale on here any time soon!
What are the differences between the systems that i need to look out for? I was under the impression that all of the larger hp merc/mariner steering mountings were the same?

James

Tony Davis · 23-09-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by larby

What are the differences between the systems that i need to look out for? I was under the impression that all of the larger hp merc/mariner steering mountings were the same?

James

Seastar is the same for big mercs, it's proper side mount steering that differs, depending on which mid section you have. 3 types of wingplate for the 2.5 litre motors on either domestic or offshore mids, another for Optis, then there's the 300, x, xs etc. Plus, the wingplates aren't normally compatible with other manufacturers rams.

willwood6 · 23-09-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by larby

Wow, my head's spinning!

James

Go for a tiller!

Tony Davis · 23-09-2008, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyco

Does anyone know the Tensile and shear strength of both the up-rated 9/16" bolt from the Sea star pro

Isn't the sea star bolt 3/8th ???

Burty · 23-09-2008, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Davis

Isn't the sea star bolt 3/8th ???

9/16" seems very big thats like 13 ish mm i thought they were around 8mm???

Tony Davis · 23-09-2008, 05:46 PM

yeh, it's a 3/8th unf

larby · 23-09-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by willwood6

Go for a tiller!

Problem solved, i'll just cable tie a big stick to it with gaffer tape for a grip!!

Glad to hear the seastars are the same, if i managed to get that side ram setup i'd get the wingplate custom made.

To be honest though i think i'll go with seastar, has anyone one here actually had a jesus bolt fail on them with seastar?? I know we've all heard of a mate's cousin's brother who had one snap, but has anyone here had one fail??

James