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Old 23-11-2012, 03:45 AM   #1
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Talking twin ride guide

I was told twin ride guide was the way to go on my phantom 21 so i bought one (could be a mistake but I'm impulsive) I've got two racks and two cables that i'm led to believe can be set up for zero backlash!? I'm just not sure how they connect to the motor (it's a standard motor not offshore) can anyone post a diagram or photo? Thanks in advance
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Old 23-11-2012, 10:51 AM   #2
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One cable goes through the tilt tube on the motor as standard, the other through the bracket that bolts to the front of the transom clamp in front of the tilt tube!

You can set it up with both cables coming infrom one side, or with opposed cables, one coming in from each side. Depending on what attachments you have!

Post pics of what you have. Do you have the bracket for the second cable and what cable end attachments do you have?

Yes you can adjust most of the lash out of these systems by tensioning one cable against the other.

Heres a single sided setup..
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Old 23-11-2012, 11:11 AM   #3
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Old 23-11-2012, 11:15 AM   #4
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Never even thought of checking the acc guide thought all the ride guide was NLA.
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I,ve the bits for the twin set up somewhere if you need them. I think it's complete with tube bracket sing arm and cable end piece
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Here's what I bought! Sorry it took a while, mega busy at work.
What do I need to complete? Is it any good or is there a more modern way that's not mega bucks? I mentioned hydraulic to the guy I bought this from and he said there is too much give that results in twitchy handling at high speeds. Does anyone agree/disagree? Cheers for all your help so far guys. It's a great forum.
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Hi i had the twin set up on my p21 very stiff too turn and i would not let go at speed she will turn on you got hydo on her now and great too handle now no probs feels a lot better mate.
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Thanks for the advice. What brand of Hydraulic do you use?
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Thanks for the advice. What brand of Hydraulic do you use?
Ive got hydrive but i dont think seastar better my mates got it and it works great on his p21 he has got the seastar pro
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Hydraulic is a great system, most people use seastar brand.
You do get a fair bit of wheel torque on the dual cable system but most of it can be taken out with setup or prop choice!

It looks like there's a few parts missing from your ride guide setup, do you have the dash mount part of the helm and steering shaft?

You will also need two steering link arms for the motor end and the tiller bracket for opposed setup or the dual cable joiner and a link arm for a single sided setup. You'll also need the front steering tube mount and tube!

If you're stuck I might have most if not all these parts.
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Sea star pro

If you buy sea star pro you won't ever use anything else, really good, I've used twin rack and its good but hard work, if your built like a brick shit house it's fine if not go sea star pro.
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Ive got hydrive but i dont think seastar better my mates got it and it works great on his p21 he has got the seastar pro
Sorry should have said i think seastar is better.
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Seastar Pro

I'm struggling with the cost of this setup!

Is it really worth it? Is there any real advantage in the pro over the basic Seastar that a non racer is likely to appreciate?

Does anyone know where to buy them cheap?

Thanks guys
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Old 25-11-2012, 11:20 AM   #14
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Yes the difference between the two would be noticeable alright.

The difference between the std and pro seastar is, the std has 1000psi valving in the helm and nylon hoses. The Pro has 1500psi helm and kevlar hoses. I have used the standard on Ring 21 with a 240 and no issues.

You might pick up a cheap setup on ebay.com in the US.
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Hose length

You wouldn't happen to know the correct hose length for a P21 would you?
Hydro, I forgot to say thanks for the offer of parts for the dual cable setup. Thank you.
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Old 25-11-2012, 02:22 PM   #16
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No worries, I have 18 foot hoses in my Ring 21 and theres a bit to play with, so Id say about the same for the phantom, or maybe even 16 foot would do. But better to be looking at it than looking for it!
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Also, try not get hoses that are far too long. If you have to coil them up it makes the system a bastard to bleed, as the air stays in the top of the loops on the coil.
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