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19-08-2005, 03:01 AM
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Well it would be great to see Blufin and Penpromo again, thats for sure - trying to work out who splitpin is ..help me out?
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19-08-2005, 03:21 AM
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As I was writing the last post - I though I better change my avator - In '92 I had a full offshore licence, for some reason, I cant remember, Roy Smith who I was naviguessing for didn’t do the Cowes race.
I pitched up at Cowes with some bird in tow with the idea of having a few beers, watching the fireworks and a “little bit of what does you good”.
Anyway, long story short, next day I’m navigating in a Class one Cougar on my way to Devon – one of the motors went down just off Old Harry.
I can’t even remember the boats name!!
Bird wasn’t too impressed, “ where are you?”
“In the RM having some lunch, make your own way back to Southampton – there is not going to be any RSYC tonight”
Strangely enough I havent seen her again.
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19-08-2005, 08:13 AM
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BananaShark Member
Country: UK
Location: Salcombe South Devon
Occupation: Racer and builder
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Boat name: BananaShark
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Originally posted by Captain Chaos
Of Course, I have just made a couple of huge sweeping generalisations.
I have no idea what its like being in the racing circle looking out. but when your out; trying to look in the barrier seems set too high.
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I'm obviously not as fussy as most racers then, because I remember talking to you in LA!
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19-08-2005, 08:34 AM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cookee
I'm obviously not as fussy as most racers then, because I remember talking to you in LA!
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True, but it was coz you were itching to tell him that Trios had a P21 hull failure
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19-08-2005, 08:44 AM
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Registered User
Country: Job Centre
Location: In a box
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Originally posted by Jon Fuller
True, but it was coz you were itching to tell him that Trios had a P21 hull failure
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I'd heard that hull damage is often caused bya badly fitting trailer!
Isn't that correct cooks?
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19-08-2005, 08:53 AM
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numbskull
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Originally posted by Tony Davis
I'd heard that hull damage is often caused by a badly fitting trailer!
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Surely not!
Don't think I'd wanna go to sea in a boat that could suffer a structural failure on it's trailer! that would have to be a very poor quality boat.
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19-08-2005, 03:07 PM
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Large member
Country: England
Location: On the farm
Occupation: General Trouble Causer Salterns Boatyard
Interests: Official smartass
Boat name: Seahorse.org
Boat make: a V24 and a SLOW unstable ICE Bladerunner
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Cruising area: England/France & Med
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Originally posted by Jon Fuller
Don't start that old nonsense!
For as long as I can remember, there's been this 'myth' about fresh water being slower coz it's less dense/bouyant, but I've spoken with various people on the subject, and always reckon it's bollix.
<snip-x>
Also, a light chop is said to be faster, my own personal experience is that this is also bollix. mirror flat is what ya want.
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So you recon I should try for it? I have been looking at getting the speed back into the V24. I have found however - I get slightly faster on the GPS when I hit a bt of chop. Running east-west-east on Southampton water I go slightly faster in the 'rough bit' and slightly slower in the 'flat bits'
I am going to be out Saturday ( tomorrow) testing the boat. If you are around, and are brave/foolish enough, I will take you out in V69.
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19-08-2005, 03:35 PM
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numbskull
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Originally posted by verytricky
So you recon I should try for it? I have been looking at getting the speed back into the V24. I have found however - I get slightly faster on the GPS when I hit a bt of chop. Running east-west-east on Southampton water I go slightly faster in the 'rough bit' and slightly slower in the 'flat bits'
I am going to be out Saturday ( tomorrow) testing the boat. If you are around, and are brave/foolish enough, I will take you out in V69.
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Not sure what the weather's doing tomorrow, but if it's ok, i'll probably be going down to change the oil on me coal burners, in which case, I would love a hack in V-69!
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19-08-2005, 03:56 PM
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#29
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Large member
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I have to put on a few hours on the engine.
I will be out no matter what the weather
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19-08-2005, 04:05 PM
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It's a brand new one then! Ouch!
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20-08-2005, 02:45 AM
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#31
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Large member
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Originally posted by Matt
It's a brand new one then! Ouch!
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Nope!
It was pulled apart. New gaskets and new plugs and oil and something metalic replaced and a big bill, but a working engine. There was no damage to the cylenders and stuff.
Under advice from James, I pulled the spark plugs, emptied 20 litres of oil into the air intake to chase the seawater away and turned the engine over a few times by hand on sunday nite. Aparently this did the trick, and after many hours of pulling oil out of every oriface there was no water damage apart from the initial hit.
So for under a grand, everything was repaired and the engine serviced. Nice thing - when they do the work they give you the old parts. just a comfort at the back of your mind that they actually did replace the components they charge you for.
( I got my UV marked parts in a box, and nice new shiny parts in the engine! )
They ran it under the hose for two sets of 15 minutes. I need to run it at race speeds for 30 minutes and change the oil ( for best results according to salterns )
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20-08-2005, 10:00 AM
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BananaShark Member
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jon Fuller
Surely not!
Don't think I'd wanna go to sea in a boat that could suffer a structural failure on it's trailer! that would have to be a very poor quality boat.
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The guy who fixed it isn't sure what caused it but the consensus is that he may have "hit something", but it's in a funny position so no-one is sure!
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09-05-2007, 10:36 AM
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#33
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Back to this old chestnut.....
Fresh water is slower than seawater.....
The theoretical reason why is should be the same is that the loss of boyancy is made up by the increase in efficiency of the props...
But tis not true.
We hit the rev limiter at Conniston at exactly 77mph with props that are 200 RPM off the rev limiter at 78mph in the sea......
So there is some reaction which is different!
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09-05-2007, 12:47 PM
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I reckon all the silt in the water at Weston-Super-Mare makes a big difference too, which is why myself and Burty get less really low prop slip numbers!!!
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09-05-2007, 01:49 PM
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numbskull
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When we ran at Windermere in '97, we ran slightly higher revs than in the salt, as we too were gently kissing the rev limiter, which we hadn't done before. But, we were also going quicker than we had done before! so who knows, I aint gonna lose sleep over it, that's for sure.
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Originally Posted by verytricky
Back to this old chestnut.....
Fresh water is slower than seawater.....
The theoretical reason why is should be the same is that the loss of boyancy is made up by the increase in efficiency of the props...
But tis not true.
We hit the rev limiter at Conniston at exactly 77mph with props that are 200 RPM off the rev limiter at 78mph in the sea......
So there is some reaction which is different!
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09-05-2007, 02:33 PM
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#36
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I would like you to loose sleep over it, then figure out an actual plan to get the same type of speed on the freshwater 1km as I do in the sea.
I cant figure it out, and so I want to make it your problem!!!!
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09-05-2007, 03:18 PM
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#37
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numbskull
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Originally Posted by verytricky
I cant figure it out, and so I want to make it your problem!!!!
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I've got enough problems of my own!
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