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Old 17-01-2010, 03:52 PM   #41
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i was under the impression that more accidents happen in the calm than the rough
More fatal, or serious injuries for sure.

I disagree about the comment regarding sending honda out in rough water.

Few people end up with more than bruses (body & pride) in a rough race, as the speeds are so much slower. I was always far more worried tearing along at high speed in the calm risking life & limb, than getting a bit bashed up in the rough. (I don't count B23's in that, coz stuffing one of them at 70 in the following slop would be easy, and painfull)

If you're getting bashed up in the rough, and you don't like it, slow down, stop, or retire.

`usually, by the time you've decided 100+ aint for you, that scare might be your last, it's already too late.

It would be way cheaper and more effective to change the rules to reduce the high top speeds, than to change them trying to make 160mph safe, coz that'a helluva task. Even 100 is ferkin dangerous. The forces involved during normal safe running are beyond most peoples comprehension at 100mph. When things go wrong, sometimes way above that speed, and boat parts not necessarily intended to withstand ultra high loads, see such loads, you're in the lap of the Gods.
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Old 17-01-2010, 05:50 PM   #42
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To repeat a previous post - the criteria for cancelling a race is - could an injured competitor be safely transferred into a safety boat at any section of the racecourse at the point of race start?
If not, the race cannot happen.

The viewpoint of competitors is irrelevant, most will race, whatever the circumstances and what suits some will be unsuitable for others, so the organising commitee must act as referees.

It takes a lot of courage to pull the plug on a race, with the pressure of media, ££, heli's and sponsors, but that's the test.

Any doubters should just remember the tragic Fasnet Sailing Race: we were racing out of Brighton that same weekend. Thank goodness Viv Williams cancelled the race, the waves at the marina entrance were like blocks of flats, as Ted Toleman and Nick Cripps found out in their Class 1's.
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Just out of interest (as I'm sure there's a good reason) why are safety cells such as used in the drag boats not used in boats doing these kinda speeds?

I see what Jon means about the crash being much worse with 5 tonne of boat following, but surely you'd be better off in a safety cell which can seperate from the boat when it all goes tits up?

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Old 17-01-2010, 07:13 PM   #44
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Just out of interest (as I'm sure there's a good reason) why are safety cells such as used in the drag boats not used in boats doing these kinda speeds?

I see what Jon means about the crash being much worse with 5 tonne of boat following, but surely you'd be better off in a safety cell which can seperate from the boat when it all goes tits up?

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Buzzi did detachable safety cells 20 years ago, but we don't seem to see them now. not sure those ones would have withstood a 100+ mph rear entry anyway. The drag boat ones would certainly make sense. ...or we could just slow things down, it's easier.
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Old 17-01-2010, 07:17 PM   #45
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the criteria for cancelling a race is - could an injured competitor be safely transferred into a safety boat at any section of the racecourse at the point of race start?
If not, the race cannot happen.
That's a toughie with Marathon!
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Old 17-01-2010, 09:54 PM   #46
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That's a toughie with Marathon!
But Jon not so tough with a circuit race. In Honda people don't back off due to conditions as winning is all that counts...and at all costs. It ain't no fun in Noble hospital along with the bikers having a nice kind audience of two not so local doctors at 11.30 at night watching one of their colleagues sticking a finger up yer bottom checking for a spinal...after you've just been told by a nurse they think you've had a stroke!

Perhaps that was a little joke organised by the organisers for my loyalty?
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Having spoken to someone who knows these boats (Class One) very well indeed, the rear bulkhead is flat and only a firewall, I suspect that a rule may be introduced that makes it shaped and stronger to try and withstand the incredible forces likely to have been seen in this incident - I agree that if anything something good should come out of this, and prevent the same thing happening again, that would be dumb.
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11.30 at night watching one of their colleagues sticking a finger up yer bottom
Always knew you Honda lot were a bit strange.
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In Honda people don't back off due to conditions as winning is all that counts...and at all costs.
With the greatest respect, I don't think 'Honda' as a series / group are unique, or hold the monopoly in this mindset. People have been racing to, and often beyond the limit, since racing began. And just like Honda, some have done it with some skill, and some with large gonads and buckets full of blind faith. Either way, many have risked everything 'for the win'.

I'm sure we could compile a very long list of those who've sacrificed boat, body, and sometimes lives in the pursuit of that glorious chequered flag.
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Having spoken to someone who knows these boats (Class One) very well indeed, the rear bulkhead is flat and only a firewall, I suspect that a rule may be introduced that makes it shaped and stronger to try and withstand the incredible forces likely to have been seen in this incident - I agree that if anything something good should come out of this, and prevent the same thing happening again, that would be dumb.
A big document of changes has hit Xcat and Class 1 people today from WPPA. Not sure what it all means yet Cookie but the cockpit issue has brought a whole load of investigation and subsequent requirments. Pretty extensive I see but then I am not a boat constructor as you know.

And as for a bit strange Jon...what was your number again darling?
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A big document of changes has hit Xcat and Class 1 people today from WPPA. Not sure what it all means yet Cookie but the cockpit issue has brought a whole load of investigation and subsequent requirments. Pretty extensive I see but then I am not a boat constructor as you know.

And as for a bit strange Jon...what was your number again darling?
me after i read it all , brighten up Rich cause ur gona have to sort it out
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Bloody hell you can read? I didn't think they had schools in Gib

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I said i read it , never said i understood it and that`s because in school i spent most off the time in da loo thinking about the maths teacher .
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In school i spent most off the time in da loo thinking about the maths teacher .
Was he nice?
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not as nice as u though ,
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