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Old 22-07-2010, 09:53 PM   #21
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Without a single prop policy in the new Superstock series the boats would be going a lot faster than they already are with 300XS's - of course if they had 200XS's it wouldn't be a problem!
Touché! See where where coming from, but is speed really a problem if the boats handle well? Good luck with your boat.
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Old 23-07-2010, 01:33 AM   #22
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Going faster than what Cookie? Rumour has it the 300s have a little 'safe mode problem' and your local boat has a little problem in finishing? One knowledgeable person said in Perfwelliiiiiiiii a Honda engine would have won in the rough!


Rich, I think your looking through Rose tinted glasses on the 225 honda, yes a very good "engine" - bombproof.... Would never hesitate to put on a leisure boat. However if you were having to pay for the mount replacements yourself after every race and not under warranty all the time, I think the overall view of the engine would have been very different.

I now mow my lawn with a briggs and stratton, As Honda sponsor some crap TV show i can't connect with....

As for the 300xs, can only talk from my experience - love it.......
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Touché! See where where coming from, but is speed really a problem if the boats handle well? Good luck with your boat.
I believe that instead of reaching barely 80mph they would be heading towards 90mph with an open prop policy and if someone thought that would be a good idea they wouldn't have a prop policy!

There are a lot of reasons for XS's to go into safe mode and the Class III fleet could tell them a lot (I gave them a few tips when I went to the launch but I'm not sure they were listening!)
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I believe that instead of reaching barely 80mph they would be heading towards 90mph with an open prop policy and if someone thought that would be a good idea they wouldn't have a prop policy!

There are a lot of reasons for XS's to go into safe mode and the Class III fleet could tell them a lot (I gave them a few tips when I went to the launch but I'm not sure they were listening!)
Fair enough then. I think prop regulating is a bad way of trying to regulate speed, as handling is important to safety, in my opinion and those boats clearly don't handle that well. As you say 200's would have been better in more ways than one.
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Rich, I think your looking through Rose tinted glasses on the 225 honda, yes a very good "engine" - bombproof.... Would never hesitate to put on a leisure boat. However if you were having to pay for the mount replacements yourself after every race and not under warranty all the time, I think the overall view of the engine would have been very different.

I now mow my lawn with a briggs and stratton, As Honda sponsor some crap TV show i can't connect with....

As for the 300xs, can only talk from my experience - love it.......
Sorry old bean not going to progress knocking Superstock...but surely engine capability isn't just about top end iis it...surely it is about perfromance across the range of uses. How many people finished at full stretch in Wales? BUT...perhaps the limitation is a positive effect rather than a pile of broken boats and people like me in Hospital like the Isle of Mann 08?

But but I bet you would love Xcat more...against 21 boats (in a recession) instead of 5!

And getting money for it?
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But but I bet you would love Xcat more...against 21 boats (in a recession) instead of 5!

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Oh yeah I would , and plans still afoot, but waiting till I move over there... just a timing thing - as for the 300xs, its not a top speed thing, it just seems to be a better overall package, the low down and mid range grunt and instant engine response seem to make the boat much more driveable, you probably get the idea, not disimilar to the 280's you have on the Xcat - chalk and cheese. Would still choose the Honda for anything leisure orientated (my retirement rib) , fuel economy, quiet and smooth... very smooth
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Oh yeah I would , and plans still afoot, but waiting till I move over there... just a timing thing - as for the 300xs, its not a top speed thing, it just seems to be a better overall package, the low down and mid range grunt and instant engine response seem to make the boat much more driveable, you probably get the idea, not disimilar to the 280's you have on the Xcat - chalk and cheese. Would still choose the Honda for anything leisure orientated (my retirement rib) , fuel economy, quiet and smooth... very smooth
How many went into safe mode out of the 6? And as for Honda...god you lot have got short memories!

After all that money and support piled in by Honda....don't get me on the subject mate as I have little respect as it is for the people who were bought out by Asif and especially those bought out by Steve!!!
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Thought this might be appropriate to this thread .................

Rules are Rules!

The Good news:
It was a normal day in Sharon Springs Kansas, when a Union Pacific crew boarded a loaded coal train for the long trek to Salina.

The Bad news:
Just a few miles into the trip a wheel bearing became overheated and melted, letting a metal support drop down and grind on the rail, creating white hot molten metal droppings spewing down to the rail.

The Good news:
A very alert crew noticed smoke about halfway back in the train and immediately stopped the train in compliance with the rules.

The Bad news:
The train stopped with the hot wheel over a wooden bridge with creosote ties and trusses.

The crew tried to explain to higher-ups but were instructed not to move the train!

They were instructed Rules prohibit moving the train when a part is defective!









REMEMBER, RULES are RULES!
(Don't ever let common sense get in the way of a good disaster!)
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Old 26-07-2010, 04:00 PM   #29
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Thought this might be appropriate to this thread .................

Rules are Rules!


<SNIP
Genuine incident - the train setting the bridge on fire, but the story on the rules preventing it being moved is a myth. http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/trainfire.asp
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Old 27-07-2010, 08:08 AM   #30
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Thought this might be appropriate to this thread .................

Rules are Rules!

The Good news:
It was a normal day in Sharon Springs Kansas, when a Union Pacific crew boarded a loaded coal train for the long trek to Salina.

The Bad news:
Just a few miles into the trip a wheel bearing became overheated and melted, letting a metal support drop down and grind on the rail, creating white hot molten metal droppings spewing down to the rail.

The Good news:
A very alert crew noticed smoke about halfway back in the train and immediately stopped the train in compliance with the rules.

The Bad news:
The train stopped with the hot wheel over a wooden bridge with creosote ties and trusses.

The crew tried to explain to higher-ups but were instructed not to move the train!

They were instructed Rules prohibit moving the train when a part is defective!


REMEMBER, RULES are RULES!
(Don't ever let common sense get in the way of a good disaster!)
There you see... that is the perfect example and good reason for all the technical skills to come together in order to improve safety...rules in venue, rules in construction, rules in usage and so on...

There is nothing wrong with rules as long as the industry agrees with them collectively.

Now a prime example in Plymouth: David Mackay designs a blueprint for the City. The Council decides to take out a subway underneath the dual carriageway called Royal Parade. A couple of years later an old lady gets killed by a driver on the new road crossing above it...now was the City made accountable for that? Was the person who signed that off done for manslaughter...of course not. I wonder what happened to the driver?

A class example of a small group of people following a plan without using common sense!

So why can we not have proper technical direction and professionalise the sport? Like they do in F1?
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