2 Basic Licenses!! - Page 3

roofer · 12-07-2006, 10:54 PM

I bought a race license last year and only did 3 races due to blowing 2 engines up.

Basic racing is my only option now because my boat and engine combo don't fit any classes , which i'm sure applies to quite a few people who may be interested in racing.

OCRDA · 12-07-2006, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by Gav
from my point of veiw its not about saving the money its about spreading the cost over the season!

oh and yes i am hard up!

So as an alternative a fee of say £35 per month over 12 months would do. spreading the cost with £ 80 admin fee to RYA or maybe the individual clubs could cover it .

In OCR we would be happy to accept something along these lines !!

Bob

Jon Fuller · 12-07-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by OCRDA
£ 80 admin fee to RYA

There we go again

The RYA one-way valve

OCRDA · 12-07-2006, 11:14 PM

So how would you bribe RYA to administer stage payments !!
Smart Arse !!

BluFin · 13-07-2006, 05:43 AM

Cant do bribes any more under EU rules, think an incentive is allowed though

Matter of choice, Dont want a national, dont want to measure the boat. Yes one is on a budget

Jon Fuller · 13-07-2006, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by OCRDA
So how would you bribe RYA to administer stage payments !!
Smart Arse !!

I wouldn't want to 'bribe' the RYA to do anything!

I don't think people should be forced into having a national licence if they don't want to.

The licence & medical costs are just one small part of commiting to a national series/class.

If someone wants to do a few basic races, without having to commit to a full on national licence, or a class legal boat, why should it be any different now, to how it was when I was racing?

red tape is feckin smothering everything we do these days, this is just an extension of it.

As Pete Currington says, fkk the racing, if the RYA and the clubs wanna make it hard, let them enjoy it on their own.

It can't be on safety grounds, for the reason Matt gave last night, the two most potetially dangerous races for a newcomer, are still allowed! where's the fkkn logic in that? ..If it's on safety grounds, don't issue event licences at all, that'll stop any confusion!

I think it's all about trying to tie people in, and people aint that stoopid, and most people don't like being hurded around, or taken for being stupid.

The RYA like to play the 'It's my ball' trick, hence the 'we'll ban you if you if diss-obey us' line.

Well I for one, am very happy that I no longer have to dance to their tune.

When I was racing, the one single thing that was nice about the RYA, was Sheila Wright!..looks like little has changed eh.

'Smart Arse' ...yeah, probably.

BluFin · 13-07-2006, 09:04 AM

Total number of boats at last national race?
Total number of boats at poker run?

Johnny Rocket · 13-07-2006, 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by verytricky
The other issue is racers who are RYA licence holders can not race or the RYA will ban them.

This sounds like an "anti-comptetitive" practice to me.

I wonder if it's actually legal. Has it ever been tested in court?

Jon Fuller · 13-07-2006, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by BluFin
Total number of boats at last national race?
Total number of boats at poker run?

Poker run numbers are now having to be 'capped'!

Matt · 13-07-2006, 09:58 AM

Anyway, to get this one back to the key point - making sure Gav can get a pot from the RMYC without having to spank another large pile of cash to get a license.

There has been no negative comments about the original proposal (requiring a medical, but allowing ongoing event licenses for basic races), so it seems a good time to push the proposal into officialdom, both from the OCRDA and ORDA camps.

Adam/Bob/Dave, so as Gav and all other basic racers are clear, can you make a statement in your own words outlining the proposal - that way, when it get's agreed, no one can say that's not what they meant. I don't know how long rule changes take to go through - but I assume even if a rule isn't changed, there is a process to allow competitors or events exemption from it?

Pennpromo · 13-07-2006, 10:20 AM

I Guess as the Chairman of the ORC I should put my opinion forward:
Like it or not the RYA will always be the National authority for racing. I conceed that we do have a public perception that we are trying to stop people from racing rather than encouraging it, tricky one to deal with that but I for one am accutely aware of it. We do actually want to encourage racing.
The main problem w have is that the RYA is frightened of MAIB, after the K Class inciedent in Weymouth. The RYA is under scrutiny and every aspect is being reviewed, from licencing, event officials, event insurances, event reporting, incidents, how they are dealt with and recorded, helmet standards.
We live in a litigious world and the RYA has to try to protect competitors, officials, the public etc from each other !
We realise that the two event solution is not ideal, I remember when I started racing, in 1978, that you could do loads of basic races, (even under age!), if you talked nicely to the RYA.
We don't have the flexibility now, the two event rule was an interim status whilst we try to agree a way forward in a situation where MAIB, MCA etc want everyone fully licenced and insured.
All I can say by way of solace is that it will change in some shape or form for next year !

Matt · 13-07-2006, 10:35 AM

Do you think it would be possible to get dispensation of the 2 event rule specifically for the final RMYC race? ie Competitors who entered the previous 2 could enter the final race on an event license?

BluFin · 13-07-2006, 10:37 AM

"Like it or not the RYA will always be the National authority for racing."

assumption, ENRON thought they would always be in business along with BCCI & Rover

I disagree money would change that very quickly. offer every racer 20k start money then prize money. they would then be left with a very vacant system & structure, as everybody left the ship.

Dont get me wrong I support fully the ORC but think a cocoon attitude is not a good thing.

Somebody mentioned Honda before how does that work?

Matt · 13-07-2006, 10:43 AM

Get yer wallet out then!

I think whichever organisation runs it will be a figure of hate for any bad decision, irrespective of who the organisation is, and we certainly aren't gonna solve it on this thread.

IMVHO, the best you can do is to make decisions in a public and open manner, but other than Simon & Adam, no other person (that I know of, admittedly) in authority is prepared to join the discussion.

BluFin · 13-07-2006, 10:47 AM

Devils advocate that’s all, anyway wallets fekken empty now, bloody powerboats.

What does make a nonsense of the struture is I can buy a boat & turn up.
Yet there is a structure in place for training & testing for powerboats Level 1,2 ICC ect ect. But no requirement for anybody to hold those for racing ????

Lifted from thir web site

The Level 1 Course
This one-day course covers basic boat handling, safety and theory.

The Level 2 Course
This two-day course provides the skills and background knowledge needed to drive a powerboat and is the basis of the International Certificate of Competence. It includes Close quarters handling, high speed manoeuvres, man overboard recovery and collision regulations. The course can be taken inland or on the coast and your certificate will be endorsed accordingly.

The Intermediate Course
This two-day course covers practical use of navigation and passage planning by day on coastal waters, using both traditional and electronic navigational techniques.

The Advanced Course
This two-day course provides the skills and background knowledge needed to drive a powerboat by day or night in known or unfamiliar waters, the skipper’s role and boat handling in more demanding conditions.

The Safety Boat Course
This two-day course provides the skills required when acting as an escort craft, safety boat or coach boat for a fleet of dinghies, windsurfers or canoes, and for racing or training activities. Prior to the course you will need to hold the RYA Level 2 Powerboat certificate.

Matt · 13-07-2006, 10:55 AM

I wager money there will be, very soon - there's already a requirement for some classes to receive training, and I could well see a race license require PB something as a precursor.

This is purely me speculating, not from any kind of official source!

Pennpromo · 13-07-2006, 01:52 PM

Matt, that is as you say speculation, but not outside the bounds of reality. Arguably compeitors get off lightly, how many potential racers may be disuaded by the thought of having to do a 2 day PB2 course prior to even applying for a licence ? Many would find the time hard to find apart from anything else.

Matt · 13-07-2006, 02:04 PM

Should you be a racer if you don't know how to drive a boat?

BluFin · 13-07-2006, 02:09 PM

Errrr Quote

"We don't have the flexibility now, the two event rule was an interim status whilst we try to agree a way forward in a situation where MAIB, MCA etc want everyone fully licenced and insured"

Edit: Trouble with opening tins is getting the fekken lid on.
All joking & winding aside. IMHO the 2 Race rule is restrictive but the powers that be should be able to find a workaround that would suit all parties.

kranky · 13-07-2006, 02:12 PM

I don't drive any of the race boats I am quite happy to navigate and thats all i have done for the last 6 years,however i couldnt afford the time or money to go on a course if i had to,so i think that people will soon start to lose interest if they have to do courses before they race.