3B Revival 2011

Adam · 17-08-2010, 09:42 AM

Maybe jumping the gun a bit - but time is moving fast, so will be good to get things moving.

Along with others I'm very keen to get the 3B class really up and running for next year and so far there has been much interest. It has known to potentially a great class for ages but for various reasons has not been supported. Now looking to change that and give the class a boost - hopefully with support from the organising classes and the RYA.

I also have a new 3B design going into production with a UK builder and through that there will be some decent prizes and some prize money too. Whilst I have every confidence that the new boat will be fantastic and we do want to sell some boats - the class is about open competition, different makes, monohulls, catamarans, maybe RIBs etc etc. Hopefully other manufacturers will get involved too. Also the chance for international competition as well.

Would be good to get any discussions going with potential entrants for the class and make sure as much as possible can be done to move the class forwards. I will be at Cowes if anyone wants to discuss in further detail.

Scand · 17-08-2010, 09:51 AM

Is there any new as to what is happing on the engine front in this class?

Adam · 17-08-2010, 10:03 AM

As per the rules - but also needs to be discussed. Personally I would like to see the class running the new 115hp engines and also keep the 90hp engines going too. Making sure there are trophies etc for both options and that efforst are rewarded. For me the class should be promoting good value for money and give some cheapish options to go racing whish still allowing development of course good racing.

But that is just my opinion and I'm not representing any club or the RYA.

JBP · 17-08-2010, 10:30 AM

Sounds good Adam, could even fall into the E900 class using the ETEC 90hp engines too, need to have about 3 produced to be classed as production I think..... Good luck

Renegade · 17-08-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JBP

Sounds good Adam, could even fall into the E900 class using the ETEC 90hp engines too, need to have about 3 produced to be classed as production I think..... Good luck

You allowing other boats in now then?

jonp · 17-08-2010, 01:24 PM

In sweden we have a class called V115 that races together with 3B. Also in UIM there is the new 115 EPA class. We are trying to get these classes up and running here in sweden since its great and valuable racing. Johan Fourong runs about 70 mph with a 20 fot Tintorera vee bottom with a Suzuki 115 on the back.

OCRDA · 17-08-2010, 01:42 PM

But surely if you are running 115's you would run Suzuki 140 or 130 etec or are you now running HP instead of CC ??

Bob

Scand · 17-08-2010, 01:47 PM

3B = 1001-1350cc
3B EPA up to 1760 cc, max 115 hp

OCRDA · 17-08-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Scand

3B = 1001-1350cc
3B EPA up to 1760 cc, max 115 hp

So how do you have a CC & Hp Limit Presumably you only allow the std 115 and not the HO version !!

The 115 Suzuki is 1950cc

Bob

Scand · 17-08-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OCRDA

So how do you have a CC & Hp Limit Presumably you only allow the std 115 and not the HO version !!

The 115 Suzuki is 1950cc

Bob

I guess the 115hp Suzuki must have run in the V115 class?

Renegade · 17-08-2010, 02:14 PM

The 3b engines is stated with hp and cc in the uim rule book. As stated epa 115hp and 1850 cc as maximums so I guess there is no ambiguity. I would guess the v115 is more of a national class I have known and followed this progress for a few years now and I think it works.

Renegade · 17-08-2010, 02:17 PM

In all fairness the 115ho was not around when these rules were first drawn up.

OCRDA · 17-08-2010, 02:18 PM

Paul you are correct although they allow the 115 HO on the basis that there is a 10% margin on Hp so how do they expect to police it !!

Incidentally it looks likely that yours will be eligible for OCR 3ltr shortly !!

Bob

OCRDA · 17-08-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Renegade

In all fairness the 115ho was not around when these rules were first drawn up.

No!! But the 115 & 130 share the same homologation papers !!

Renegade · 17-08-2010, 02:31 PM

The 115ho and 130 are the same engine, the standard should be different, Is this new class going to be hp capped? Or are you going down the 200xs road? Good luck with it.

Renegade · 17-08-2010, 02:37 PM

As far as policing bob, as I have been saying for years and it's been falling on deaf ears. The diagnostic software will tell you What the motor is, emm is and injectors also what software version you are running. All I hear is that someone knows someone that can re map, alter things etc but ask them to put you in touch or prove it and nothing happens. Things you can do are public knowledge but again can be checked easily. All the best anyway.

CudmoreRacing · 17-08-2010, 02:45 PM

There is one person building a Beecraft 19 for 3B in norway, and he will be running a 115 EPA, And the rumours are that the Luukila Brothers that build Twister catamarans have built a twister catamaran to suit the 115 EPA engines..... Someone has to be the first, and when a certain percentage in 3B is running EPA engines in the championships, the 2-strokes will be history.

OCRDA · 17-08-2010, 03:08 PM

and when a certain percentage in 3B is running EPA engines in the championships, the 2-strokes will be history.[/QUOTE]

Another nail in the powerboat racing coffin !!

Foolish · 17-08-2010, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Scand

3B = 1001-1350cc
3B EPA up to 1760 cc, max 115 hp

here we go again

fine if you are going to make it 115hp MAX ... but it isn't, as we all know the 115HO kicks out a lot more than that ....

Renegade · 17-08-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OCRDA

and when a certain percentage in 3B is running EPA engines in the championships, the 2-strokes will be history.

Another nail in the powerboat racing coffin !![/QUOTE]

It's that outlook that is going to kill racing. This is the way engines are going and the sooner you realise it the better. Carbs are history.